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Old 22-02-2013, 09:00
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It would be interesting if they try to recreate this - while I agree sound carries more at night (or at least our hearing is more sensitive to sound in the dark), if it is a modern house, presumably with fairly decent double glazing, I wouldn't expect to hear sound.
To get any degree of accuracy, especially over a distance, they would have to recreate wind speed and direction ( if any), atmospheric pressure, temperature, voice levels, as well as taking into account individual hearing abilities. Difficult.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:02
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Well said.

Not only that but many do not seem to appreciate that what they say they would do in any particular circumstance, may be very different from what they actually would do.......because of the myriad of factors which would come into play.
Me personally - would like to think I would get my loved ones together and get the hell out of the place asap, even with a gun in my hand. Material things can be replaced.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:10
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Me personally - would like to think I would get my loved ones together and get the hell out of the place asap, even with a gun in my hand. Material things can be replaced.
But that is the problem. What you would actually do would depend on so many factors including something as simple as the layout of your home. You may think that you would shout a warning to others but then find yourself mute with fear. If you are woken up by an intruder, it may take you a few precious seconds to register what is happening and the try and make rational decisions. It is all so very complex.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:12
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The question the defence asked of Botha was - could the witness hearing these arguments be 100% sure they came from OPs house from that distance. It's a rhetorical question really because of course the answer would be no.
Well the fact they heard shouting and commotion in the early hours and then a woman was shot dead, it stands to reason it was the same incident.
Many people have verified screaming in other cases before after a murder. Its not usually suggested it doesn't tie in
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:13
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I didn't realise that his front door was unlocked never mind the windows. Why would someone so concerned with security go to bed with their front door unlocked?
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:15
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Not at any point, not once did he hear one single sound from Reeva, not when shouting to her to call the police as he was making his way to the bathroom area (and how quickly would he have been able to do that on his stumps?), not when he shouted at the "intruder" and finally when he fired the first shot.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:16
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This is one of the strange things about the way this is done there.

The defence are asking Botha awkward questions about other witnesses evidence. he cant answer for them.

They clearly know that, and know it will cause people to come to their side.

Thankfully, the Judge will know too.
Good point
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:17
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I didn't realise that his front door was unlocked never mind the windows. Why would someone so concerned with security go to bed with their front door unlocked?
I must admit a couple of things have come up this morning that I didn't already know. I thought the empty bladder was a definite but it appears not.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:18
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But that is the problem. What you would actually do would depend on so many factors including something as simple as the layout of your home. You may think that you would shout a warning to others but then find yourself mute with fear. If you are woken up by an intruder, it may take you a few precious seconds to register what is happening and the try and make rational decisions. It is all so very complex.
I'm talking as though I'm in OP's home...the time he took to get his gun and make his way to the bathroom area and blasted away he could have got his gun and made his way out of the room. He was awake by all accounts (he'd been on the balcony). I stand by what I said, I would get myself and loved ones out of the house asap.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:19
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I didn't realise that his front door was unlocked never mind the windows. Why would someone so concerned with security go to bed with their front door unlocked?
Didn't he say that he went down stairs to unlock the door for the paramedics? or have I got that wrong
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:20
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One thing is becoming worryingly clear is that I doubt very much the truth will ever be known .Only Oscar and Reeva know it and unless something turns up in the forensics to prove he is lieing or indeed telling the truth I have a feeling this will be one of lifes mysteries and discussed for many years
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:24
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Didn't he say that he went down stairs to unlock the door for the paramedics? or have I got that wrong
I'm not sure to be honest but Nel for the state has been refering to the fact that the front door was open in the live feed.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:24
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One thing is becoming worryingly clear is that I doubt very much the truth will ever be known .Only Oscar and Reeva know it and unless something turns up in the forensics to prove he is lieing or indeed telling the truth I have a feeling this will be one of lifes mysteries and discussed for many years
I truly hope that if, if he is guilty then he gets punished accordingly.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:26
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I'm not sure to be honest but Nel for the state has been refering to the fact that the front door was open in the live feed.
It's all getting very confusing.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:30
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I wonder why he carried Reeva downstairs to try to revive her? Presumably he had to take time to pull on his legs to do that? Why not try resuscitation on the bathroom floor? Or lie her on the bed?

Was there anything upstairs that he didn't want the emergency services to see?
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:32
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I wonder why he carried Reeva downstairs to try to revive her? Presumably he had to take time to pull on his legs to do that? Why not try resuscitation on the bathroom floor? Or lie her on the bed?

Was there anything upstairs that he didn't want the emergency services to see?
I seem to recall he claimed that he was told not to wait for the ambulance, to try and get her to hospital himself. Can't remember if that was in his affidavit or whether the defence lawyer mentioned it
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:34
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I wonder why he carried Reeva downstairs to try to revive her? Presumably he had to take time to pull on his legs to do that? Why not try resuscitation on the bathroom floor? Or lie her on the bed?

Was there anything upstairs that he didn't want the emergency services to see?
It makes no sense to me either .He found her bleeding and the obvious thing is to lie her on the bedroom floor . But he seems to have avoided anything obvious and done the exact oppossite to obvious .
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:34
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I wonder why he carried Reeva downstairs to try to revive her? Presumably he had to take time to pull on his legs to do that? Why not try resuscitation on the bathroom floor? Or lie her on the bed?

Was there anything upstairs that he didn't want the emergency services to see?
here you go...this is copied from his affidavit:

"I battled to get her out of the toilet and pulled her into the bathroom. I phoned Johan Stander ("Stander") who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door. I returned to the bathroom and picked Reeva up as I had been told not to wait for the paramedics, but to take her to hospital. I carried her downstairs in order to take her to the hospital. On my way down Stander arrived. A doctor who lives in the complex also arrived. Downstairs, I tried to render the assistance to Reeva that I could, but she died in my arms".
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:36
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btw if anyone wants to read his affidavit here's the full statement:

http://www.3news.co.nz/FULL-TRANSCRI...6/Default.aspx
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:37
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here you go...this is copied from his affidavit:

"I battled to get her out of the toilet and pulled her into the bathroom. I phoned Johan Stander ("Stander") who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door. I returned to the bathroom and picked Reeva up as I had been told not to wait for the paramedics, but to take her to hospital. I carried her downstairs in order to take her to the hospital. On my way down Stander arrived. A doctor who lives in the complex also arrived. Downstairs, I tried to render the assistance to Reeva that I could, but she died in my arms".
Not disputing they did but I find it very odd that paramedics would advice to move a gunshot victim who is dieing into a car and drive to the hospital .
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:38
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Not disputing they did but I find it very odd that paramedics would advice to move a gunshot victim who is dieing into a car and drive to the hospital .
yep, me too...hopefully that can be checked though.
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:39
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Not disputing they did but I find it very odd that paramedics would advice to move a gunshot victim who is dieing into a car and drive to the hospital .

They will surely have the call taped? We might hear it at trial?
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:39
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here you go...this is copied from his affidavit:

"I battled to get her out of the toilet and pulled her into the bathroom. I phoned Johan Stander ("Stander") who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door. I returned to the bathroom and picked Reeva up as I had been told not to wait for the paramedics, but to take her to hospital. I carried her downstairs in order to take her to the hospital. On my way down Stander arrived. A doctor who lives in the complex also arrived. Downstairs, I tried to render the assistance to Reeva that I could, but she died in my arms".
One unnecessary trip there...why not carry her downstairs and put her down to open the door?
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:40
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here you go...this is copied from his affidavit:

"I battled to get her out of the toilet and pulled her into the bathroom. I phoned Johan Stander ("Stander") who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door. I returned to the bathroom and picked Reeva up as I had been told not to wait for the paramedics, but to take her to hospital. I carried her downstairs in order to take her to the hospital. On my way down Stander arrived. A doctor who lives in the complex also arrived. Downstairs, I tried to render the assistance to Reeva that I could, but she died in my arms".
I can only assume then that Netcare didn't know that he was the one who shot her cos I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have said 'yeah you get yourself out of the house'.

Actually I'm not buying that at all - would they honestly tell you to carry someone downstairs and drive a gunshot person to hospital - especially as he's probably given his name and the person on the other end would be more than aware of his disability?
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:40
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Not disputing they did but I find it very odd that paramedics would advice to move a gunshot victim who is dieing into a car and drive to the hospital .
Yes I find that strange too.
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