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Old 22-02-2013, 22:45
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Broadchurch might not get the huge ratings you're hoping for James J. BBC one are not giving it an easy ride with their big event drama Mayday against it for the first episode and detective drama Shetland against the 2nd episode. Shetland especially sounds like a George Gently/midsomer/death in paradise kind of show and might surprise some people in the ratings and get the better off the more advertised broadchurch...
Well considering how reliable your predictions have been thus far...
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Old 22-02-2013, 22:54
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The breakdown was encouraging. It began with 1.40m (6.0%) at 9pm and ended with 1.26m (7.6%) at 10.40pm. So the last 5 minutes outrated the programme average of 1.24m (5.8%).

However, I'm very wary of taking these breakdowns too literally, especially for a first episode, as I remember being taken with the breakdown for Dallas and ultimately it proved to be misleading.

Hopefully it can settle the 'right' side of the million mark at least.

Full 5 Minute Breakdown for Jack Taylor: The Guards:

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Good breakdown, it did dip slightly but remain steady throughout.
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Old 22-02-2013, 23:14
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No....

There's much more to it than the Tennant effect. Read up on it, rather than writing off the drama and saying it'll only do well because "he's in it".

The pathetic depths that posters sink to in their efforts to dismiss ITV's successes (in this case, before they're even successes) are becoming laughable.

If ITV does something good, certain people rationalise it as a fluke, a clone, etc... Why are people so hard on this damn network? Why can't people be impartial?

Nothing ITV ever does is good enough, there is always an excuse for their success, there are always more digs that can be made, it is never given credit for its efforts.

For what it's worth, I hope Broadchurch is as good as it looks, and if it is I hope it gets huge ratings because I don't care about anyone else - I support the underdog, and ITV comes in for so much slack because of outdated perceptions and frankly the network has changed a heck of a lot from the days when such criticisms and perceptions were justified.

Improvements and gains with things like the strong rebrand, improved drama slate (Biggs, Selfridge etc), progress pre-watershed (Cornwall, Dogs), Daytime gains (Chase, Tipping Point etc), massive improvements to News (Etchingham, no standing up, more serious) and new factual commissions (Aylesbury, Death Row etc) are consistently ignored and overlooked.

Why are so many people so hateful towards this commercial network? I really genuinely want to know now why members of this thread cannot just stand back and view TV as a WHOLE.

ITV is trying to be a good network. It's trying very hard to balance the wishes of viewers and its business obligations in a tough market and frankly I think the team in place is doing a sterling job.



Apologies to all for the rant but I'm so fed up of people kicking ITV in the balls all the time, like it's still under the reign of Charles Allen and has nothing going for it.
What on earth are you talking about? The original poster only mentioned that Tennant is a ratings draw and you go off on one about the ITV's whole slate of programming and how everyone tries to do them down.

Some people really need to get a grip and stop this victim complex that some posters have adopted.
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Old 22-02-2013, 23:17
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What on earth are you talking about? The original poster only mentioned that Tennant is a ratings draw and you go off on one about the ITV's whole slate of programming and how everyone tries to do them down.

Some people really need to get a grip and stop this victim complex that some posters have adopted.
I could have written that response myself. As predictable as it gets.
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Old 22-02-2013, 23:22
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Maybe, but at the end of the day, channels are not political parties and so there is no requirement for people to give it credit. I don't think it stifles debate at all, we're not forced by law to give each channel equal coverage on this thread.

In addition, I happen to think that if the BBC gets an easy ride on here, which it doesn't, good, because it gets so much rubbish flung at it from the rest of the media. The Sun and Mail slag off the Beeb over and over again. There's an editorial in The Sun today slagging them off today for some apparent anti-Tory bias nobody else noticed or cares about, yet if you removed all the stories that were about, or based on quotes nicked from interviews on (with no credit), BBC programmes, you would lose half the paper. Also, see every thread in the Broadcasting forum. If this thread has any kind of pro-BBC bias, which it doesn't, that makes up about 0.00000001% of the UK media. And we're not pretending to be a proper news source.

If I want to slag off a programme on ITV, I will. I don't have to like them.
Completely agree, there isn't a bias in this thread in my opinion, there's "strong minded" posters on both sides, plus those for the other channels, so it's balanced. I think the pro-itv posters just like to complain more whenever anything negative is said (has there been a day without some kind of "anti-itv" complaint, often along with a made up quote being proven wrong, it's tiring and I don't even need to look at some posters' comments to know what they've wrote), or anything positive about the BBC, who as you say get enough of a kicking elsewhere so I see nothing wrong with a positive outlook when it comes to them.

As for the upcoming dramas, I'm looking forward to all three, Broadchurch, Mayday and Shetland, and I disagree about the David Tennant thing. I don't think he will cause much of a boost, his shows outside Doctor Who haven't really done so well. He has a small, and very loud, fanbase but nothing that can affect ratings too much. If it does well, which I think it will, it'll be down to the strength of the drama and cast as a whole.
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Old 22-02-2013, 23:47
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I could have written that response myself. As predictable as it gets.
Sorry James, I should really be used to these sorts of bizarre rants and totally overboard posts you seem to do every now and then.

Since when did mentioning that a well known and popular actor may be a postive factor for a drama turn into a way of rubbishing the show?

I think the irony detector has exploded with you asking "why can't people be impartial" when you have been a massive cheerleader for X Factor and Corrie for years.

And ITV is fantastic now the newsreaders sit down instead of standing......
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Old 22-02-2013, 23:56
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Ireland have chosen their entry for the Eurovision (not Father Ted's My Lovely Horse alas)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQNdHV279w
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Old 23-02-2013, 00:17
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As for the upcoming dramas, I'm looking forward to all three, Broadchurch, Mayday and Shetland, and I disagree about the David Tennant thing. I don't think he will cause much of a boost, his shows outside Doctor Who haven't really done so well. He has a small, and very loud, fanbase but nothing that can affect ratings too much. If it does well, which I think it will, it'll be down to the strength of the drama and cast as a whole.
Yes, didn't he do a two part drama about a driving instructor on BBC1 that got about 3.5m?

To me, Broadchurch just looks like another "missing/murdered person-let's all look for her-find out who did it-watch some soapy repercussions amongst the local seaside community" drama serial.

And with ITV's rather tarnished reputation for riveting new drama, I can see it getting the usual 5-6m but no more.

I think the title will be a turn-off, why didn't they give it a more arresting title related to the subject matter? Broadchurch doesn't even sound like a proper village name (is it named after a church that has a rather wide nave or something??), for some reason it reminds me of ill-fated BBC1 90s drama "Westbeach" about another seaside town with an unlikely made up name (that was a massive flop, big time).

I doubt Mayday is going to be a massive hit either, that doesn't look like anything we haven't seen a million times before either, and a 5 consecutive nights drama is a turn off for many who don't want to or can't commit. I might try the first one and try to PVR the rest, but I do think a 5 night stripped drama runs the risk of being a turn off. I reckon every episode of that will lose its slot to ITV. Every episode.

It's too much, people have lives...

Ireland have chosen their entry for the Eurovision (not Father Ted's My Lovely Horse alas)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQNdHV279w
If Bishop Brennan wins "Pope Idol" that will more than make up for it...
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Old 23-02-2013, 00:52
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We saw on Channel Five too last season what a good value contract it is, although I wouldn't put it in the top tier of TV rights by a long way, because although the knockout games rate well I'm not sure the same can be said for the group stages which are terribly turgid.

I guess you would put it on a par with something like the League Cup which rated very well for the Beeb in the last few seasons, but i doubt many people are taking up Sky subscriptions because they now have it exclusively. I suppose the Europea League contract is like the Beeb's League Cup contract in that you get a handful of decent games with big names in primetime, while the dull fare is either shown as highlights or on ITV4, helping that channel out in the process.

I don't think it's do much for a subscription channel, though. Of course at the turn of the century when Sky were looking for any possible advantage over ONDigital they bought the rights to the home matches of most of the British teams in the Uefa Cup so they could show them exclusively on Sky Digital, to little effect. I think the Europa League, if a pay channel got exclusive live rights, would follow the League Cup in being of minimal interest to the casual fan. It wouldn't bring any new subscribers in.
I would broadly agree with your post.

But all I would say is that everything has a price. ITV is apparently paying approx 6m per year for an entire season of EL 1st and 2nd picks.

Compare that, for example, to Sky paying 12m to get the first 2 rounds of the US Masters exclusively live - just 2 nights of golf. Or BT paying over 40m per year for club rugby union.

Or to put into context Sky is spending 1,300m and BT 300m per year on sports rights.

So the EL at 6m would be 0.5% of Sky's budget and 2% of BT's budget. For quite a lot of pretty decent content.

I think your post explains why ITV got it so cheaply last time. But the point is next time may be different. Suppose, hypothetically BT outbid Sky for all its CL rights. In that situation I can't imagine Sky letting ITV continue to keep the EL for peanuts.

Or alternatively if BT doesn't want to spend a huge amount challenging Sky for the CL, the EL is there as a good second prize for incredibly good value.

So in conclusion I think BT's arrival changes the dynamics - it is an extra big player wanting a piece of the action and it may well make a difference.
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Old 23-02-2013, 01:27
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I would broadly agree with your post.

But all I would say is that everything has a price. ITV is apparently paying approx 6m per year for an entire season of EL 1st and 2nd picks.

Compare that, for example, to Sky paying 12m to get the first 2 rounds of the US Masters exclusively live - just 2 nights of golf. Or BT paying over 40m per year for club rugby union.

Or to put into context Sky is spending 1,300m and BT 300m per year on sports rights.

So the EL at 6m would be 0.5% of Sky's budget and 2% of BT's budget. For quite a lot of pretty decent content.

I think your post explains why ITV got it so cheaply last time. But the point is next time may be different. Suppose, hypothetically BT outbid Sky for all its CL rights. In that situation I can't imagine Sky letting ITV continue to keep the EL for peanuts.

Or alternatively if BT doesn't want to spend a huge amount challenging Sky for the CL, the EL is there as a good second prize for incredibly good value.

So in conclusion I think BT's arrival changes the dynamics - it is an extra big player wanting a piece of the action and it may well make a difference.
Sorry, are you aware that rights are split into pay-tv and free-tv? Sky might pay a lot of money, but UEFA do have commercial sense. I'm sure they will keep at least 1 EL game each matchday, free-to-air. Who gets that contract is of course down to money.
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Old 23-02-2013, 02:25
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Sorry James, I should really be used to these sorts of bizarre rants and totally overboard posts you seem to do every now and then.

Since when did mentioning that a well known and popular actor may be a postive factor for a drama turn into a way of rubbishing the show?

I think the irony detector has exploded with you asking "why can't people be impartial" when you have been a massive cheerleader for X Factor and Corrie for years.

And ITV is fantastic now the newsreaders sit down instead of standing......
Oh please!!

You're as biased as they come and have been for years! You're possibly one of the worst when it comes to an anti-ITV agenda. It's borderline obsessive - but very subtly done at times.

A lot of playing dumb and reverse psychology - I commend your technique - doesn't wash with me though!

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Old 23-02-2013, 04:26
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Sorry, are you aware that rights are split into pay-tv and free-tv? Sky might pay a lot of money, but UEFA do have commercial sense. I'm sure they will keep at least 1 EL game each matchday, free-to-air. Who gets that contract is of course down to money.
UEFA is free to sell the rights as they wish (although at one point I believe they agreed with the EC not to sell all CL rights to one company - though whether that still stands I don't know).

Whether UEFA will continue to keep some EL rights each Matchday FTA we'll have to wait and see.

Just because they have in the past doesn't necessarily mean they will in the future. And that's before considering that they could keep a match FTA but that it wouldn't be the 1st pick - thus significantly tilting the value in the direction of the Pay side.

I wouldn't assume anything.

EDIT: A quick search suggests the Champions League TV rights in France are now 100% Pay only (except the final match). If UEFA can sell 100% of the CL (except the final) in France to Pay TV it can certainly do the same with the EL in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_broadcasters

http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/a...league_rights/

http://www.soccerex.com/industry-new...eague-package/
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Old 23-02-2013, 09:38
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The Mentalist returned to C5 with 1.39m (6.0%) last night.
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Old 23-02-2013, 09:43
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The Mentalist returned to C5 with 1.39m (6.0%) last night.
Looks good going by the share. Is it up or down on its last screening do you know? Also, does anyone have a full breakdown for the show?
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:18
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Interested to see how CBBC did from 4:30pm onwards as Friday is usually their best day.
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:19
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Oh please!!

You're as biased as they come and have been for years! You're possibly one of the worst when it comes to an anti-ITV agenda. It's borderline obsessive - but very subtly done at times.

A lot of playing dumb and reverse psychology - I commend your technique - doesn't wash with me though!

Don't think I don't know your game! Sadly for you I'm not playing.
In fairness James, you are one of the chippiest ITVistas. Why are you so obsessively paranoid about people in your view unfairly doing down ITV?

"Playing dumb", "reverse psychology", "subtly done anti ITV agenda", "I know the game you're playing"....?

Chill out, enjoy the discussion...
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:22
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In fairness James, you are one of the chippiest ITVistas. Why are you so obsessively paranoid about people in your view unfairly doing down ITV?

"Playing dumb", "reverse psychology", "subtly done anti ITV agenda"?

Chill out, enjoy the discussion...
To have the world at your throat is character building. You know that you are doomed when people can't be bothered to criticise. On this basis itv future is secure.

3.6m last night for the return of Piers Morgan btw
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:26
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In fairness James, you are one of the chippiest ITVistas. Why are you so obsessively paranoid about people in your view unfairly doing down ITV?

"Playing dumb", "reverse psychology", "subtly done anti ITV agenda", "I know the game you're playing"....?

Chill out, enjoy the discussion...
To have the world at your throat is character building. You know that you are doomed when people can't be bothered to criticise. On this basis itv future is secure.

3.6m last night for the return of Piers Morgan btw
Rampant Paranoia is sometimes a good thing, sometimes they really are out to get you, probably just not in this thread.
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:35
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This is fluffy not life threatening television being debated not nuclear missiles capital punishment or brain surgery. There is some politics involved in the media channels. Thats agreed . but we have a remote button and can switch off the commercial lure or political bantering when we need to. Its only television. Enjoy the programmes!
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:41
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Ouch for Piers. Against a repeat.

Assuming NT beat him, did Arabia too???

Note that it wasn't even 3.6m as George has sneakily lumped together both showings!
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:52
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Broadchurch might not get the huge ratings you're hoping for James J. BBC one are not giving it an easy ride with their big event drama Mayday against it for the first episode and detective drama Shetland against the 2nd episode. Shetland especially sounds like a George Gently/midsomer/death in paradise kind of show and might surprise some people in the ratings and get the better off the more advertised broadchurch...
Having read the books I wouldn't say it is in the same fluffy category as the shows you've mentioned it has a much darker side to it.
Looking forward to seeing it even if the lead character is completely miscast if you read the book descriptions.
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Old 23-02-2013, 11:00
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Ouch for Piers. Against a repeat.

Assuming NT beat him, did Arabia too???
Esther Rantzen's not a huge draw. A bit strange that she was the opener. Ranntzen's life is fairly well know, with her election run, her You do know who I am? gig also. Plus all the oldies who remember her on That's Life are now so old they can't remember that New Tricks is a repeat.
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Old 23-02-2013, 11:02
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Any other ratings available?
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Old 23-02-2013, 11:05
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Esther Rantzen's not a huge draw. A bit strange that she was the opener. Ranntzen's life is fairly well know, with her election run, her You do know who I am? gig also. Plus all the oldies who remember her on That's Life are now so old they can't remember that New Tricks is a repeat.
I heard Morgan being interviewed on Chris Evans breakfast show the other morning. He was bigging up Rantzen as a major
coup for the show, in light of Savile, and the obvious choice to lead the new series. Indeed rattling off the other names, all of which I have now forgotten, you can see why Esther was first up.

Do we have any figures for NT and Arabia incl HD?
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Old 23-02-2013, 11:09
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Its time itv axed his show. The british public dont enjoy it
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