If you're an ITV fan and the BBC has a good rating or a BBC fan and ITV has a good rating, you can say well done. The world won't end! I hate some shows but I do actually like all of the channels to have a popular show, it helps keeps everybody on their toes to try harder.
The Ratings Thread (Part 46)
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Originally Posted by cylon6:
“If you're an ITV fan and the BBC has a good rating or a BBC fan and ITV has a good rating, you can say well done. The world won't end! I hate some shows but I do actually like all of the channels to have a popular show, it helps keeps everybody on their toes to try harder.”
“If you're an ITV fan and the BBC has a good rating or a BBC fan and ITV has a good rating, you can say well done. The world won't end! I hate some shows but I do actually like all of the channels to have a popular show, it helps keeps everybody on their toes to try harder.”
I agree
it's a shame that every success by one channel get turned into a failure for another.
I thought this was a ratings thread, not a "ha ha XXX channel is rubbish because different XXX channel got good ratings)
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Rating of the day for me was Countryfile's. Delivering 6.3m against Corrie when it's in the middle of a big plot. Maybe BBC1 should stick CF on every weeknight at 7pm in place of The One Show. Mix it in with Coast. Anything to get rid of Matt Baker and Alex Jones' consistently mind-numbingly terrible interviews with "tonight's studio guest". They look as if they've won a competition to interview a celebrity in a Newsround competition.”
“Rating of the day for me was Countryfile's. Delivering 6.3m against Corrie when it's in the middle of a big plot. Maybe BBC1 should stick CF on every weeknight at 7pm in place of The One Show. Mix it in with Coast. Anything to get rid of Matt Baker and Alex Jones' consistently mind-numbingly terrible interviews with "tonight's studio guest". They look as if they've won a competition to interview a celebrity in a Newsround competition.”
I will now be unable to get that thought out of my head while watching.
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“I agree
it's a shame that every success by one channel get turned into a failure for another.
I thought this was a ratings thread, not a "ha ha XXX channel is rubbish because different XXX channel got good ratings)”
“I agree
it's a shame that every success by one channel get turned into a failure for another.
I thought this was a ratings thread, not a "ha ha XXX channel is rubbish because different XXX channel got good ratings)”
There are lots of shows on lots of channels I can't stand. I like the BBC but still thought Secret Service was atrocious. There's something about wanting to see a channel do well but with the shows you like. It's very selfish I know because tastes are different. I'd rather ITV did well with Broadchurch than Food Glorious Food, but if the latter was a huge hit I'd say so. I like some channels but I don't just watch those channels. Blind devotion to a channel and slating the competition isn't good.
A bit more impartiality when looking at the ratings is fine. Stick up for the shows you like by all means but if another show gets a good rating at least admit it.
Demographic Information for BBC1 and ITV for Monday 18th to Sunday 24th March: http://oi48.tinypic.com/2drxwuf.jpg
Top programmes for the week among 18-49 year olds from that list (excludes soaps, news and repeats) were:
1. Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway: 12.7
2. Broadchurch: 8.5
3. The Cube: 8.5
4. San Marino v England: 8.0
5. MasterChef (Wed): 7.2
6. Our Girl: 7.0
7. The Syndicate: 6.9
8. Crimewatch: 6.1
9. F1: Malaysian GP Highlights: 5.4
10. The Jonathan Ross Show: 5.2
Note: Each number indicates the % of the UK 18-49 population. For e.g. 12.7% of 18-49 year olds living in the UK watched Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway
Top programmes for the week among 18-49 year olds from that list (excludes soaps, news and repeats) were:
1. Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway: 12.7
2. Broadchurch: 8.5
3. The Cube: 8.5
4. San Marino v England: 8.0
5. MasterChef (Wed): 7.2
6. Our Girl: 7.0
7. The Syndicate: 6.9
8. Crimewatch: 6.1
9. F1: Malaysian GP Highlights: 5.4
10. The Jonathan Ross Show: 5.2
Note: Each number indicates the % of the UK 18-49 population. For e.g. 12.7% of 18-49 year olds living in the UK watched Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway
Originally Posted by James J:
“For the first time ever, I actually agree with you.
I really feel for EastEnders in a way. I actually don't know quite how I'd fix it!”
“For the first time ever, I actually agree with you.
I really feel for EastEnders in a way. I actually don't know quite how I'd fix it!”
The BBC's attitude to EastEnders was highlighted in an interview I read with John Yorke a few years ago. They seem to be targeting younger viewers now. He said it himself. Yet in a country which has more people over 40 than under it that is a bizarre route to go down and that is why the ratings for EastEnders keep declining and why Corrie remains stable.
The show needs a complete overhaul. A change of direction and a big cast clearout. I actually worry about EE now because this sort of ratings pattern is what started to derail Brookside from the late 90s.
Originally Posted by James J:
“Coro is the far superior soap, the ensemble cast that just seem to want to be there and masterful structuring and layering of storylines ... it's leagues away from EastEnders which is nearly a sitcom now with an increasingly unrecognisable cast. Shame as in 1998-2001 EastEnders was hallmark British TV.
Consider Corrie as Waitrose, and EastEnders as Lidl. I'm not sure EastEnders can ever recover actually unless it drops one or even two episodes a week. It started declining in 2006ish with a brief upsurge for its 25th.
And of course Corrie's had some storming plots lately, with the fire and this week the anticipated domestic abuse trial and exit of Krazy Kirsty. I don't think its current (outgoing) producer has taken his foot off the gas for much of his reign in terms of the show's plotting, cast (Sue Johnston is in it now FGS) and even cinematography and direction.
I've noticed they are building better cliffhangers into Monday's second episode now to hook viewers into Wednesday - it's a slick operation and a very enjoyable show. The best it's been since the early Noughties for sure.
As for Broadchurch, it's quite clear the old adage about overnights being irrelevant couldn't be truer here. I'm sure it'll time shift 2.5-3m.”
“Coro is the far superior soap, the ensemble cast that just seem to want to be there and masterful structuring and layering of storylines ... it's leagues away from EastEnders which is nearly a sitcom now with an increasingly unrecognisable cast. Shame as in 1998-2001 EastEnders was hallmark British TV.
Consider Corrie as Waitrose, and EastEnders as Lidl. I'm not sure EastEnders can ever recover actually unless it drops one or even two episodes a week. It started declining in 2006ish with a brief upsurge for its 25th.
And of course Corrie's had some storming plots lately, with the fire and this week the anticipated domestic abuse trial and exit of Krazy Kirsty. I don't think its current (outgoing) producer has taken his foot off the gas for much of his reign in terms of the show's plotting, cast (Sue Johnston is in it now FGS) and even cinematography and direction.
I've noticed they are building better cliffhangers into Monday's second episode now to hook viewers into Wednesday - it's a slick operation and a very enjoyable show. The best it's been since the early Noughties for sure.
As for Broadchurch, it's quite clear the old adage about overnights being irrelevant couldn't be truer here. I'm sure it'll time shift 2.5-3m.”
Interesting post, but if you're taking us to the checkout with the analogies then Corrie is Asda and EE is Londis.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Channel 5 (exc/inc +1)
13:40 - FILM: Legally Blonde (2001): 693k (5.3%) / 813k (6.2%)
15:30 - FILM: Getting Even with Dad (1994): 772k (4.8%) / 969k (5.9%)
17:45 - FILM: The Goonies (1985): 1.82m (7.8%) / 2.00m (8.6%)
20:00 - FILM: Miss Congeniality (2000): 1.48m (5.7%) / 1.63m (6.3%)
22:00 - Person of Interest: 715k (3.5%) / 811k (4.0%)
22:55 - FILM: The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005): 331k (4.7%) exc +1”
“Channel 5 (exc/inc +1)
13:40 - FILM: Legally Blonde (2001): 693k (5.3%) / 813k (6.2%)
15:30 - FILM: Getting Even with Dad (1994): 772k (4.8%) / 969k (5.9%)
17:45 - FILM: The Goonies (1985): 1.82m (7.8%) / 2.00m (8.6%)
20:00 - FILM: Miss Congeniality (2000): 1.48m (5.7%) / 1.63m (6.3%)
22:00 - Person of Interest: 715k (3.5%) / 811k (4.0%)
22:55 - FILM: The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005): 331k (4.7%) exc +1”
Thank you! A strong showing for The Goonies there - It deserved that two million, it's a brilliant film!
Brilliant again for Corrie (9.8m & 10.1m). It's certainly on a roll at the moment backed up by its big storylines. It sure puts EE's 7.7m rating into context. And Emmerdale recorded a better % share than EE too. Even the Corrie +1 figures are higher than the BBC3 repeat last night. 
EE is in a total mess. It's a shame its not much nearer Corrie like it was a few years ago as it makes much more interesting reading. But you can't argue with a gap of 2.4m between the two.
As for Broadchurch underperforming. Really?!
Some people really do go to desperate measures on here sometimes.
EE is in a total mess. It's a shame its not much nearer Corrie like it was a few years ago as it makes much more interesting reading. But you can't argue with a gap of 2.4m between the two. As for Broadchurch underperforming. Really?!
Some people really do go to desperate measures on here sometimes.
Only 279k (1.9%) for Eastenders bbc3 repeat yesterday, is that its worst ever for 10/10.30pm repeat?
Channel 5 can't do much with Person Of Interest anymore. But, I agree with Dancc, a stripped 7pm formula to repeat the first season across a number of weeks may just work - With the right promotion and so on.
I do hope they pick up season two though, it's a brilliant show, and one that if it went to Sky, I wouldn't be able to watch anymore...
I do hope they pick up season two though, it's a brilliant show, and one that if it went to Sky, I wouldn't be able to watch anymore...
Originally Posted by Hit Em Up Style:
“The BBC's attitude to EastEnders was highlighted in an interview I read with John Yorke a few years ago. They seem to be targeting younger viewers now. He said it himself. Yet in a country which has more people over 40 than under it that is a bizarre route to go down and that is why the ratings for EastEnders keep declining and why Corrie remains stable.
The show needs a complete overhaul. A change of direction and a big cast clearout. I actually worry about EE now because this sort of ratings pattern is what started to derail Brookside from the late 90s.”
“The BBC's attitude to EastEnders was highlighted in an interview I read with John Yorke a few years ago. They seem to be targeting younger viewers now. He said it himself. Yet in a country which has more people over 40 than under it that is a bizarre route to go down and that is why the ratings for EastEnders keep declining and why Corrie remains stable.
The show needs a complete overhaul. A change of direction and a big cast clearout. I actually worry about EE now because this sort of ratings pattern is what started to derail Brookside from the late 90s.”
I agree.
This is how Brookside went. Daft storylines, poor characters and big names leaving. Looking at the spoilers...NOTHING big is happening. Its going round in circles.
Even Emmerdale has beat them and that is aimed to an older audience!
Originally Posted by Itsallaboutyou:
“I agree.
This is how Brookside went. Daft storylines, poor characters and big names leaving. Looking at the spoilers...NOTHING big is happening. Its going round in circles.
Even Emmerdale has beat them and that is aimed to an older audience!”
“I agree.
This is how Brookside went. Daft storylines, poor characters and big names leaving. Looking at the spoilers...NOTHING big is happening. Its going round in circles.
Even Emmerdale has beat them and that is aimed to an older audience!”
Um no ED didn't beat them EE was higher. Plus to be fair yes EE has dropped in the ratings but at the moment at least it's stil staying consistent within the 7mil-8mil ratings plus the gang storyline is pretty good. The way some of you make EE out you think it was constantly dropping which isn't the case, and if anything if any soap was to go it would be ED as that's even lower in ratings.
Originally Posted by Itsallaboutyou:
“I agree.
This is how Brookside went. Daft storylines, poor characters and big names leaving. Looking at the spoilers...NOTHING big is happening. Its going round in circles.
Even Emmerdale has beat them and that is aimed to an older audience!”
“I agree.
This is how Brookside went. Daft storylines, poor characters and big names leaving. Looking at the spoilers...NOTHING big is happening. Its going round in circles.
Even Emmerdale has beat them and that is aimed to an older audience!”
Since when was Emmerdale aimed at an older audience?
If it skews older, I don't think that is the intention of the show, or of ITV. When I last saw it, they were doing a whole 'sexting' story - hardly something an older audience would be into ... (or maybe I'm pandering to stereotypes there!
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Originally Posted by Score:
“No it didn't. The overnights for that were nearly a million below what Broadchurch was getting and the officials were around 1.5m below.
Looks like a decent enough start for Plebs and it seems to have gone down fairly well. I notice they're repeating it after Celebrity Juice on Thursday so hopefully it'll pick up a few more there.”
“No it didn't. The overnights for that were nearly a million below what Broadchurch was getting and the officials were around 1.5m below.
Looks like a decent enough start for Plebs and it seems to have gone down fairly well. I notice they're repeating it after Celebrity Juice on Thursday so hopefully it'll pick up a few more there.”
Death in Paradise also in the same ballpark. Indeed, I think DIP currently stands above Broadchurch in the 2013 chart, admittedly not for much longer.
People either have short memories or talk nonsense...
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Death in Paradise also in the same ballpark. Indeed, I think DIP currently stands above Broadchurch in the 2013 chart, admittedly not for much longer.
People either have short memories or talk nonsense...”
“Death in Paradise also in the same ballpark. Indeed, I think DIP currently stands above Broadchurch in the 2013 chart, admittedly not for much longer.
People either have short memories or talk nonsense...”
I'll guess the later
And when I said it underperformed, I clearly meant by reference to last week and its relative lead in.
Looks like Boris biffed it a bit. The traffic cops certainly didn't!
Looks like Boris biffed it a bit. The traffic cops certainly didn't!
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Eastenders is going through a persisent ratings rot for the last two years. Big major characters have left the soap and the replacements have been poor. Also there has been an increased emphasis on young teenage characters which is off putting for older or middle aged viewers. Coro St. has well loved characters of all ages and is something everyone can watch and a cosy soap. Eastenders on the other hand is cold on the surface and too many young characters who viewers dont care about. The writing and storylines in EE are also not good and go round in circles all the time.”
“Eastenders is going through a persisent ratings rot for the last two years. Big major characters have left the soap and the replacements have been poor. Also there has been an increased emphasis on young teenage characters which is off putting for older or middle aged viewers. Coro St. has well loved characters of all ages and is something everyone can watch and a cosy soap. Eastenders on the other hand is cold on the surface and too many young characters who viewers dont care about. The writing and storylines in EE are also not good and go round in circles all the time.”
Originally Posted by James J:
“For the first time ever, I actually agree with you.
I really feel for EastEnders in a way. I actually don't know quite how I'd fix it!”
“For the first time ever, I actually agree with you.
I really feel for EastEnders in a way. I actually don't know quite how I'd fix it!”
The only continuity of the "old" EastEnders is Ian and Dot. Ian has been turned into this strange, weak character who has as much appeal as a cold curry and Dot is wasted on filler storylines that are hardly covered. The "yoof" are deliberately unlikeable and as such causes many viewers to switch off. When they had the gang storylines in Waterloo Road, ratings began to slide. The same is happening with EE. Far too much emphasis is placed on this gang culture storyline and older viewers who may already be afraid of the gang culture in their neighbourhoods may be put off by this incessant and ill-judged direction that EE has taken.
The only way EE can survive is if they go back top their roots. Where is the stable couple that the community can look up to? Everyone is separated, divorced, sleeping around etc. Where is the real community spirit that is clearly evident in Corrie that is bizarrely missing from EE?
They need to focus on characters the audience can engage with. Kat and Alfie was a couple destined to be forever. They messed that one up. Tanya and Max. They messed that one up. Would Denise suddenly find Ian attractive? The storylines are all a bit of mishmash and non-sensical. There is no focus on one particular story and as such the show seems disjointed and unenjoyable. Until the scriptwriters can get back some of the magic that made EE great ten years ago, then sadly there is just a couple more years of life in the show.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Death in Paradise also in the same ballpark. Indeed, I think DIP currently stands above Broadchurch in the 2013 chart, admittedly not for much longer.
People either have short memories or talk nonsense...”
“Death in Paradise also in the same ballpark. Indeed, I think DIP currently stands above Broadchurch in the 2013 chart, admittedly not for much longer.
People either have short memories or talk nonsense...”
Mustn't forget that iPlayer is AFAIA on all Smart TVs and viewings are included in BARB's official figures, whereas ITV Player isn't and 'second screen' viewings aren't counted.
Shame we don't see the breakdown.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Mustn't forget that iPlayer is AFAIA on all Smart TVs and viewings are included in BARB's official figures, whereas ITV Player isn't and 'second screen' viewings aren't counted.
Shame we don't see the breakdown.”
“Mustn't forget that iPlayer is AFAIA on all Smart TVs and viewings are included in BARB's official figures, whereas ITV Player isn't and 'second screen' viewings aren't counted.
Shame we don't see the breakdown.”
What Broadchurch demonstrates is how great a draw a solo strong drama series can be. All channels are showing nothing of significance on Mondays at 9pm except ITV. So naturally the audience wander to the place where they can catch good drama. And, from what I can tell, Broadchurch is a good drama.
But, these figures can't be assumed to be phenomenal. They are good figures because there is nothing else to dent it. Shetland failed to dent it because the first part was dull so many didn't bother watching the second part. Mayday however did give it a run for its money. Since then there has been the BBC1 filler Cops programme that doesn't matter how well it performs. It's cheap, reliable filler that can be wheeled out in a hasty schedule to fill kind of way. Had BBC1 put a strong drama or something like The Apprentice on, then Broadchurch may not be the runaway success it currently is. It would be a success still, I am not disputing this, but the power of strong lead ins is what ITV are experts at. The BBC are still trying to catch up in this respect.
ITV really do know how to take advantage of weak opposition. Rip Off Britain against a superb Corrie episode. A good, strong drama against a "seen it all before" Motorway Cops episode. It is hardly a surprise that ITV is winning. I wonder what the ratings would have been if Broadchurch was against Mrs. Browns' Boys?
Originally Posted by Ice dragon1:
“Um no ED didn't beat them EE was higher. Plus to be fair yes EE has dropped in the ratings but at the moment at least it's stil staying consistent within the 7mil-8mil ratings plus the gang storyline is pretty good. The way some of you make EE out you think it was constantly dropping which isn't the case, and if anything if any soap was to go it would be ED as that's even lower in ratings.”
“Um no ED didn't beat them EE was higher. Plus to be fair yes EE has dropped in the ratings but at the moment at least it's stil staying consistent within the 7mil-8mil ratings plus the gang storyline is pretty good. The way some of you make EE out you think it was constantly dropping which isn't the case, and if anything if any soap was to go it would be ED as that's even lower in ratings.”
ED has a strong stable audience, EE has dropped three million in the last few years thanks to clueless production teams and two very poor excuses for EP's. Corrie is ahead and deservedly so due to the high profile plots, EE has been treading water for the last three years trying not to drown in a mess of its own making. Newman's appointment has been a disaster, they should have went for an outside hire instead of promoting someone well above their competency level as EP, time she was booted.
And the gang storyline is dire, but then again its just another in a long list of dreary plots that irritate.
Eastenders has reached a stage where it really needs a maverick producer to come in who isn't afraid to shake things up and clear out both the cast and crew (writers, storyliners). If something doesn't change very soon then I think they'll have a difficult summer ahead.
Bryan Kirkwood is continuing to reverse the decline of Hollyoaks (C4: 1.21m, E4: 788k) but nothing has improved at Eastenders since he left, so I think the problems run deeper than the producer.
Bryan Kirkwood is continuing to reverse the decline of Hollyoaks (C4: 1.21m, E4: 788k) but nothing has improved at Eastenders since he left, so I think the problems run deeper than the producer.
Originally Posted by Ice dragon1:
“Um no ED didn't beat them EE was higher. Plus to be fair yes EE has dropped in the ratings but at the moment at least it's stil staying consistent within the 7mil-8mil ratings plus the gang storyline is pretty good. The way some of you make EE out you think it was constantly dropping which isn't the case, and if anything if any soap was to go it would be ED as that's even lower in ratings.”
“Um no ED didn't beat them EE was higher. Plus to be fair yes EE has dropped in the ratings but at the moment at least it's stil staying consistent within the 7mil-8mil ratings plus the gang storyline is pretty good. The way some of you make EE out you think it was constantly dropping which isn't the case, and if anything if any soap was to go it would be ED as that's even lower in ratings.”
This post really made me LOL!!! Typical childish comeback....
I think what the poster was aiming at is that once upon a time EE was the most watched soap - something Emmerdale never has been... Emmerdale's audience stays stable week in week out... Eastenders doesnt.
And YES actually Emmerdale DID beat Eastenders in the ratings on Friday by around 300,000 viewers.
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“Eastenders has reached a stage where it really needs a maverick producer to come in who isn't afraid to shake things up and clear out both the cast and crew (writers, storyliners). If something doesn't change very soon then I think they'll have a difficult summer ahead.
Bryan Kirkwood is continuing to reverse the decline of Hollyoaks (C4: 1.21m, E4: 788k) but nothing has improved at Eastenders since he left, so I think the problems run deeper than the producer.”
“Eastenders has reached a stage where it really needs a maverick producer to come in who isn't afraid to shake things up and clear out both the cast and crew (writers, storyliners). If something doesn't change very soon then I think they'll have a difficult summer ahead.
Bryan Kirkwood is continuing to reverse the decline of Hollyoaks (C4: 1.21m, E4: 788k) but nothing has improved at Eastenders since he left, so I think the problems run deeper than the producer.”
The writing is poor, the storylines are awful and go round in circles never seeming to end, the characters are wooden and the acting is awful.
There is way too much emphasis on the teenagers!!! And all the older cast do is sleep with each other!! :yawn:
Most soaps go through a bad period. Eastenders is not in its best period but I think some changes are better than last years work and are noticable. Coronation street had a difficult time also before brian park came in at one point in its history.
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