Firstly, I would have thought it was obvious that I wasn't being in the least bit serious about Luke actually doing serious physical harm to Jason.

Secondly, Luke is entitled to say anything he wants in response to Jason's 'comments'. If he finds them insulting, and I can understand why any of them would, then he is perfectly entitled to say so. It is not his job to skate and keep his mouth shut - if he wants to react to the judges then he can, indeed the presenters often ask the contestants for their reaction to what the judges have said.

Jason may be paid to give his comments, although why he is beggars belief. However, he doesn't do it well because he isn't constructive half the time and can't do it well because he isn't an expert on skating.

As to Robin commenting on the tension between Luke and his partner, we don't know what is the cause of that so it is possibly best not to speculate on it.

Luke is coming across as immature, which was OK for the first few weeks when it comes as a bit of a shock to the system if you were (for some reason) expecting only glowing praise. I also suspect he may have relatives who think that being supportive is encouraging him to take no nonsense, rather than encouraging him to see the judges comments in the proper context.

It would be a shame if his attitude stops him from progressing to his full potential. And while I don't mind a bit of bantering with the judges, there are much better ways to do it than "I'd like to see you try", which is both a tired cliche and missing the point entirely.

Jason knows why he's been put (back) there and pitches his comments accordingly. He also says he doesn't mind Luke answering him back. And yet there is press spin and public moral indignation from people pitching in on both sides. And I'm sure the producers love it.

Luke's comment in the tellymix article:

My husband just fell about laughing when I showed him that. He is an ex-PE teacher and boxing afficionado and says there are many better amateur boxers down the years.

Luke appears much younger than his years and it is difficult to see him as the father of two children. I liked him to start with but he has become increasingly argumentative over the weeks.

The thing is, Luke isn't sufficiently articulate or sophisticated to manage banter. he'd be much better off keeping his mouth shut.

my thoughts exactly ... perhaps it's frustration that makes him snap as he's obviously trying to improve his skating, but it's not coming across well

Ah diddums did nasty Luke stick up for himself and has got all the old wives of DS tutting like he has acted in a shameful way. Plus silly immature claims of liking him before but now you have changed your mind. - DS never changes.

Well done Luke! Someone needs to put Jason in his place and it takes a man to do it! A sign of maturity! Ignore the Usual DS rubbish where they make out that their lives are so superior and that keeping quite like they do all the time is correct and right and just. (They don't even get the irony that all they do all day is mouth off on a internet forum all day)

Rather a silly post here.

Luke hasn't "put Jason in his place". He's just made himself look childish. As I said, he doesn't have the verbal skills to take Jason on: not his fault, but that's the way it is.

I also can't see any evidence a) that those who disagree with you are all female b) that they keep quiet "all the time" and c) that they "mouth off on an internet forum all day"

I must admit that I did not see anything there that could be described as skating, a description of just being able to stand up on skates is being generous.

I never said what he did was shameful - it's just a reality tv show, I would hardly describe it as being shameful.

And at no point did I said I did/didn't like him before. I loved his skate tonight. Doesn't change how I felt about what he said to Jason last week.

I know this wasn't aimed at me personally but the you did decide to group everyone together as the 'old wives of DS'. I'm not old or a wife, thanks!

Now Kolin! and I was beginning to like you. Have you checked if the people who've said in the past that they like Luke are the same people now saying they don't like him? Anyway you can change your mind about people. Looking at the number of posts you've made in a few short months it seems you're the one spending all day mouthing of on an internet forum

No! Is he really? You could knock me down with the proverbial feather.

That fact is that Lukes skating isn't bad at all compared with the other skaters but I do get the impression that Jason ignores Luke's good points altogether simply because he doesn't personally like Luke.
Jason is there to make the programme miserable to watch and grab headlines. His comments are irrelevant. I agree with Luke that it's what Karen and Robin have to say that counts.

I wouldn't pick a fight with Luke then if I were you

You thought right, it was yes.

Surely jason has blew that argument out of the water after sunday? He gave Luke good marks and good comments. At the end of the day thats probably the first week luke has deserved good marks and comments.

His comments shouldnt be irrelevant at all, I'd rather hear his honest opinions than Karens nicey nicey comments or even better her " you were entertaining, thats all" comment

No he didn't stick up for himself he just embarrassed himself.

No he didn't put jason in his place at all, he came out looking worse in that exchange.

Did he? Or was Jason warned during the week to lay off Luke because of the furore in the papers.

Agreed - Luke simply showed an immaturity and inability to take criticism.

I don't for one minute believe Jason was warned to go easy on Luke due to the media furore.

Jason criticised when criticism was due and gave praise where praise was due.

I don't mind a bit of backchat and banter with the judges, sometimes its nice to see a celeb/pro defending themselves. However it is all in the delivery. Luke doesn't do it with any charm or humour, it is very defensive and tbh I find it quite disrespectful at times.

Yep that's how I see it too.

I was browsing the 2009 threads and came across Roxanne's answer to Jason - rather cheekier than Luke's comeback

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=986812

In response to Jasons comment that her performances were like going to the dentist - he didn't looked forward to them

Well no,it wasn't obvious you were "not being serious" since your postings are full of dislike for Jason as a rule.This one was a tad OTT though.
Yes,Luke can say what he likes and I'm loving it ,because it shows him up for the immature little boy he will always be.He has the charisma of a grizzly bear.
If the tension is so intense that Robin uses it to excuse Luke's lack of talent then it is VERY relevant .It is also very obvious that Luke's need to dominate everyone around him is causing problems.He doesn't like being controlled outside the ring. Inside he has managed to get by apparently,but in the real world the kid is a control freak & is waiting to explode. His partner looks constantly on edge. Whatever they are paying her isn't enough. She'll need therapy after this. IMO.

And you really get all this from about 5 minutes of highly edited footage from across eight weeks and some staged primetime spatting? Ye gods.

Yes,but from your comment I assume you are with them/him 24/7 & know better. Do share your insider knowledge with the rest of us then.