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Old 21-02-2013, 22:18
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I am reluctant to install the add on "ask" that comes with installing Java since I seem to recall it changed my home page once. Also I have no way of finding out if "ask" is O.K (there is a procedure whereby the certificate can be checked on Java). So installing Java is not possible without this damn add on, i.e. it cancels the whole operation if "ask" add on is not accepted.
Do I have nothing to worry about? Should I go ahead?

I have tried not installing Java but the damn symbol keeps flashing on my bottom toolbar. I know there's a procedure to cancel it but won't it will mean not getting notified of new updates? I am in Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Old 21-02-2013, 22:33
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Are you pressing Cancel when the Ask toolbar prompt appears?

You know you can untick the checkbox next to 'Install the Ask toolbar' etc, then press Next?
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Old 21-02-2013, 22:34
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I had this update earlier this evening and I was able to remove the tick when it mentioned the Ask Toolbar, and consequently it didn't install the toolbar.
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Old 22-02-2013, 00:55
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The Ask Toolbar is not compulsory, untick the checkbox.

Once you have installed Java you can alter the update method to suit you from it's configuration in the Java Control Panel.

I have just installed it. I did not even get the Toolbar thing at all during the install anyway.
Probably because the last update was so close.
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Old 22-02-2013, 07:12
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I am reluctant to install the add on "ask" that comes with installing Java since I seem to recall it changed my home page once. Also I have no way of finding out if "ask" is O.K (there is a procedure whereby the certificate can be checked on Java). So installing Java is not possible without this damn add on, i.e. it cancels the whole operation if "ask" add on is not accepted.
Do I have nothing to worry about? Should I go ahead?

I have tried not installing Java but the damn symbol keeps flashing on my bottom toolbar. I know there's a procedure to cancel it but won't it will mean not getting notified of new updates? I am in Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
With the recent security flaws in Java, do you need it at all? I recently went into Control Panel and uninstalled it via Programs and Features. Good riddance.
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Old 22-02-2013, 11:00
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With the recent security flaws in Java, do you need it at all? I recently went into Control Panel and uninstalled it via Programs and Features. Good riddance.
I didn't realise Java had security flaws....but have suspected so since it was rejected from being installed in the past (I have McAffee security).

Googling Java told me that it is integral to internet applications...what might they be? I don't do gaming, or use internet for business so could I safely opt out i.e. cancel the programme as suggested here (from CP)?
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Old 22-02-2013, 11:06
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Java is a write once run anywhere system so you can write it on a pc and it'll run on a mac/phone/mainframe/car in theory and is based on oracles solaris operating systems binary format

For most people its not really needed but some programs do need it
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Old 22-02-2013, 16:58
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Like all these 'essential' programs, there's (nearly) always an untick option. LINK

Pesky Java, Adobe etc all trying to earn some commission by tricking the unwary into installing additional crap
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Old 22-02-2013, 17:18
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ask toolbar can be uninstalled later if you've missed the option tickbox ..... and if you have java installed try to make sure web plugin is disabled, many sites used to use java plugin BUT number that do has fallen dramatically
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Old 22-02-2013, 21:28
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ask toolbar can be uninstalled later if you've missed the option tickbox ..... and if you have java installed try to make sure web plugin is disabled, many sites used to use java plugin BUT number that do has fallen dramatically
The installation set up is that you can't install Java WITHOUT "ask" (hence this thread). My memory from getting both in the past is that the ask takes over as my homepage (unwelcome).

Am confused by you mentioning Java plugin - is this separate/additional to Java itself? I thought Java WAS a plugin.
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Old 22-02-2013, 21:31
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Like all these 'essential' programs, there's (nearly) always an untick option. LINK

Pesky Java, Adobe etc all trying to earn some commission by tricking the unwary into installing additional crap
Thanks for this - very helpful. As you can probably tell, my techno knowledge is practically zilch!
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Old 22-02-2013, 21:40
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Recently downloading a fresh copy of Windows7 including SP1 from Microsoft's volume licensing centre I was prompted to use their Java based download manager. This shows Java is far from useless.
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Old 22-02-2013, 22:23
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Recently downloading a fresh copy of Windows7 including SP1 from Microsoft's volume licensing centre I was prompted to use their Java based download manager. This shows Java is far from useless.
Are you sure? MS aren't very likely to use a Java applet when they can use ActiveX.
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Old 22-02-2013, 22:34
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The installation set up is that you can't install Java WITHOUT "ask" (hence this thread). My memory from getting both in the past is that the ask takes over as my homepage (unwelcome).

Am confused by you mentioning Java plugin - is this separate/additional to Java itself? I thought Java WAS a plugin.
well i've always been able to avoid the ask toolbar being installed along with java, just make sure I un-tick box that asks you if you want 'ask' ... and ask is easily uninstalled anyway ... java (web) plugin is just 1 component of java, it's the part with security risks .. the rest which helps some offline programs run is OK to use

what browser are you using? what ask features do you see?
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Old 22-02-2013, 22:41
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Recently downloading a fresh copy of Windows7 including SP1 from Microsoft's volume licensing centre I was prompted to use their Java based download manager. This shows Java is far from useless.
java isn't useless it's just that it's a massive security risk online & has to be used with great care -- best avoided if you can
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Old 22-02-2013, 22:42
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Life is too short to keep up with Java security flaws, but I note that having stayed updating version 6 up to now - whilst the panic was on about Java 7, my PC is now asking to install Java 7 continually....... Norton is also sending me emails to tell me that Norton have the flaws in Java covered even if Java don't......... Is it now safer to let it install 7 or are we still safer keeping with the supposedly safer 6 version and ignoring the annoying pop ups to upgrade it ???
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Old 22-02-2013, 23:54
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well i've always been able to avoid the ask toolbar being installed along with java, just make sure I un-tick box that asks you if you want 'ask' ... and ask is easily uninstalled anyway ... java (web) plugin is just 1 component of java, it's the part with security risks .. the rest which helps some offline programs run is OK to use

what browser are you using? what ask features do you see?
Yeah, sorry barky - #8 did provide the answer as to how to uninstall ask (brain slow to acknowledge/assimilate this).

Thanks for this further post though.
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Old 22-02-2013, 23:55
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they've been plugging that shite for months.
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Old 23-02-2013, 00:32
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java isn't useless it's just that it's a massive security risk online & has to be used with great care -- best avoided if you can
I removed it about a week ago. The only problem I can think of is with Pogo which is Java based (I think).
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Old 23-02-2013, 02:26
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Java is a nuisance and seems to take ages to install, but you can untick or delete Ask.

Babylon is a sod to shift. Like the computer contracting herpes.
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Old 23-02-2013, 17:00
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I dont recall seeing ask bundled with the java runtime, I updated to 1.7.0.15 the other day and it did not install or mention ask.

Dont remember ever seeing it on any java downloads

I download from here http://www.filehippo.com/download_jre_32/
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Old 23-02-2013, 17:54
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Being a cross platform language I keep coming across java apps I need to use.
Cross platform means no OS lock-in for the developer and user.

Yes you can remove it and reinstall when needed.
As said, 'cancel' instead if untick is a common mistake. I've done that before.
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Old 23-02-2013, 18:25
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Being a cross platform language I keep coming across java apps I need to use.
Cross platform means no OS lock-in for the developer and user.

Yes you can remove it and reinstall when needed.
As said, 'cancel' instead if untick is a common mistake. I've done that before.
There's nearly always leaner and better software out there than something that relies on Java. Yes it's platform independent, but it's also absolutely full of security issues and makes any platform you install it on more like Swiss cheese from a security point of view. If software requires it I choose alternative software.
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Old 23-02-2013, 19:19
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There's nearly always leaner and better software out there.
I'm finding the java stuff invariably is tight, lean, free and adware free.
So if it does a non speed essential job its often a good bet.

I use it intermittently but last couple have been something tiny like 512K to 1MB in size.

And there is certainly less risk in running a java app than a proprietary, heavily laden one.
I've also yet to come across a java app that is free to use for a useless 3 seconds or so!
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Old 23-02-2013, 19:49
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I don't know what's more shameful: installing the Ask toolbar or installing Java

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