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Old 22-02-2013, 12:06
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Hi, I'm from the 80's/90's era of cartoons, things have certainly changed over the years, nothing seems to be the same as it use to be from looking at the EPG,

glancing at some of these shows looks like around 98% of content is from america?

I'd like to see more home-grown content, IMO ofcom should force these channels to output at least 30-50% home-grown UK content.

There should be less repeats and more investment into new home-grown UK programming for children IMO.

Back in the analogue days, channels use to timeshare, if memory serves me right, this meant there was less repeats and more shows, today it seems to be more repeats and less shows because with channels being 24 hours a day they need to fill the space up.

What is your opinion?
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:14
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I loved growing up in the late 80's/early 90's, the cartoons were so much better, they looked better (so much better than the pathetic anime which looks just.........****), generally better programmes, nothing like as many CGI stuff, originals of cartoons used to be on, rather than now (eg new versions of scooby doo, postman pat, thomas the tank engine etc) which I'm not a fan of, and yeah, I actually wish there was a channel with classic stuff on, even if it was just a few hours a day (things like The Raccoons, The Jetsons, The Animals of Farthing Wood, the original shows of things like Postman Pat etc, as well as non cartoon shows like Fun House, Finders Keepers, Tots TV, Rosie and Jim, ZZZap, etc).
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:15
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I loved growing up in the late 80's/early 90's, the cartoons were so much better, they looked better (so much better than the pathetic anime which looks just.........****), generally better programmes, nothing like as many CGI stuff, originals of cartoons used to be on, rather than now (eg new versions of scooby doo, postman pat, thomas the tank engine etc) which I'm not a fan of, and yeah, I actually wish there was a channel with classic stuff on, even if it was just a few hours a day (things like The Raccoons, The Jetsons, The Animals of Farthing Wood, the original shows of things like Postman Pat etc, as well as non cartoon shows like Fun House, Finders Keepers, Tots TV, Rosie and Jim, ZZZap, etc).
I don't see how any adult can pass judgement on childrens tv?
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:21
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Hi, I'm from the 80's/90's era of cartoons, things have certainly changed over the years, nothing seems to be the same as it use to be from looking at the EPG,

glancing at some of these shows looks like around 98% of content is from america?
Sky kids channels have always been mainly american content with a few exceptions, even going back into the early-mid nineties. British stuff was only really ever on bbc/citv.
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:25
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I don't see how any adult can pass judgement on childrens tv?
Er, why?
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:35
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Because it's not designed for adults, it's designed for today's children. There's no way you can compared what you were brought up with 20 years ago with a programme created for a different generation of children.

It you want to judge the shows as an adult the only fair way to do it is to take an 80s/90s show that you never saw before and watch that alongside a new one. And even then your opinion is going to be clouded by the fact the older show probably shares things in common with the other shows you watched back then.

It's like trying to compare music over time periods.
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:46
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Personally I think that's a load of tosh (no offence but that's honestly what I think, in a polite way). Whether they're designed for today's children or not, that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, pass judgement or whatever. Just because I'm now an adult doesn't mean my opinion isn't valid, doesn't matter, doesn't count, or whatever. I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion on them without basically having my opinion dismissed because I'm not the child the show is aimed at.
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Old 22-02-2013, 14:19
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Whether they're designed for today's children or not, that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, pass judgement or whatever. Just because I'm now an adult doesn't mean my opinion isn't valid, doesn't matter, doesn't count, or whatever.
Well I'm sorry but it kind of does. If you were a rock musician, would you care what folk fans thought of your music? It's not aimed at you so they have no interest in pleasing you. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion but it wouldn't be valued very highly in this context.

I think it's extremely difficult to compare children's TV from my childhood to the children's TV on now, mainly because I don't watch children's TV any more! Even if I did, it wouldn't be anywhere near as much as I used to so it's not a fair comparison. For example, you can't really judge whether a show now that you've seen 5 minutes of is as good to a child as the shows from your childhood that you know inside out were. Even if you watch a lot with your own children, you're still watching the shows as an adult so, again, it's extremely difficult to make a comparison.

It's certainly true that more CGI is used now and everything's more polished, but that's just because technology changes. It's not an objectively bad thing at all.
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Old 22-02-2013, 14:29
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Boomerang is good for the classic stuff
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Old 22-02-2013, 18:15
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their schedules are a mess, they show half a series, and probably need to have LESS channels
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Old 22-02-2013, 19:02
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[quote=royllsroyce;*****093]Boomerang is good for the classic stuff[/QUOTE

As a child of the 70's mot enough classics IMO especially at night. After a 2-10 shift
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Old 22-02-2013, 22:24
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I remember Cartoon Network use to show Space Ghost Coast to Coast .... I am more surprised that there is not an "adult slot" after 9pm as Cartoon Network US seems to do it called "adult swim". I did note few years back Bravo did put on "adult swim" at 1am!
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:08
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I remember Cartoon Network use to show Space Ghost Coast to Coast .... I am more surprised that there is not an "adult slot" after 9pm as Cartoon Network US seems to do it called "adult swim". I did note few years back Bravo did put on "adult swim" at 1am!
Adult Swim has a block on TCM2 (or at least it did 2 or so years ago...)
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Old 23-02-2013, 10:27
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Adult Swim has a block on TCM2 (or at least it did 2 or so years ago...)

I didn't know that .... yet TCM2 has just been recently added to Virgin Media


What did it feature may I ask?
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Old 23-02-2013, 16:11
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_S...K_%26_Ireland)
I remember Cartoon Network use to show Space Ghost Coast to Coast .... I am more surprised that there is not an "adult slot" after 9pm as Cartoon Network US seems to do it called "adult swim". I did note few years back Bravo did put on "adult swim" at 1am!
It seems that Cartoon Network UK is banned from having an Adult Swim block due to Ofcom regulations.
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Old 23-02-2013, 16:19
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I think the UK cartoon channels have got a little messy to be fair. They need less adverts, less American shows and less non-animated content.

Harry Hill and Mr Bean are great shows for kids but when they are not animated they should not be on cartoon channels.
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Old 23-02-2013, 21:19
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_S...K_%26_Ireland)It seems that Cartoon Network UK is banned from having an Adult Swim block due to Ofcom regulations.


Surely OFCOM can make some alterations somewhere??, heck Cartoon Network ran Toonami and where did that go? (where you caught shows ie Dragonball Z, Gundam Wing, The Big O etc) now nothing which is ashame I still think that their has to be a change somewhere... as someone has explained whats Harry Hill and Mr Bean got to do with the channels (apart from Channel Drift as most now seem to do)

You have to laugh though Ofcom regulations yet the words like "bitch" "slut" etc get daytime play but yet a Cartoon channel can't run "adult" themes at night


I just read the info on TCM2 ... One hour weekly (wow) ?? ... yet on Bravo it ran between I think it was 1am-3am at the weekends (correct me here) but Bravo did give it a chance ... but surely this sort of thing does need a channel somewhere or "share" somewhere.....
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Old 24-02-2013, 13:34
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I am 31 and still watch a lot of cartoons. The main reasons being that I appreciate the work of voice actors and some of them are funnier than a lot of live action comedies (especially The Penguins of Madagascar, Spongebob, TUFF Puppy, and Johnny Bravo). My favourite voice actor is the delectable Jeff Bennett. I will watch animations especially to hear his phenomenal voice work.

Growing up, my favourite cartoons were Thundercats, He-Man, She-Ra, The Raccoons, Tale Spin, Care Bears, My Little Pony, Looney Tunes, Scooby Doo, Tom and Jerry, Dungeons and Dragons, and Duck Tales.

The one thing that all of the above have in common is that they are American. I guess I have always preferred American productions. Higher production values, more imaginative writing and concepts, and a greater amount of action and adventure. The same can be said of live action shows. However, there were a few British animations that I enjoyed growing up. Like Trap Door, Count Duckula, Danger Mouse, and Stoppit and Tidyup.

It should also be noted that Nickelodeon, Disney, and Cartoon Network originate from America, so of course, they are going to carry more American content. Mind you, there are plenty of British shows for children on all the CBBC channels and CITV. The Pop channels also show a variety of British, American, and Australian children's programming.

So, I would like things to stay as they currently are. Keep the American imports coming!
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Old 24-02-2013, 13:47
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You'd be surprised that a lot of "American" cartoons are actually from UK studios/animators who give their work an American gloss to fit in with CN asthetics.
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Old 24-02-2013, 19:03
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I think the UK cartoon channels have got a little messy to be fair. They need less adverts, less American shows and less non-animated content.

Harry Hill and Mr Bean are great shows for kids but when they are not animated they should not be on cartoon channels.
Well, Harry Hill isn't animated at all. The only cartoon he's in is a comic strip from the defunct Dandy comic. Yeah, he belongs on ITV2 and Mr Bean on ITV3.

But I don't agree about less non-animated. What about shows like The Sarah Jane Adventures, Wizards vs Aliens and Tracy Beaker on CBBC? CITV used to be known for crafts shows such as Art Attack and Fingertips. And a lot of the imported stuff is live action too - a lot of the Disney/Nick sitcoms, and of course, the long running Power Rangers franchise.
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Old 21-03-2013, 23:28
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Hi, I'm from the 80's/90's era of cartoons, things have certainly changed over the years, nothing seems to be the same as it use to be from looking at the EPG,

glancing at some of these shows looks like around 98% of content is from america?

I'd like to see more home-grown content, IMO ofcom should force these channels to output at least 30-50% home-grown UK content.

There should be less repeats and more investment into new home-grown UK programming for children IMO.

Back in the analogue days, channels use to timeshare, if memory serves me right, this meant there was less repeats and more shows, today it seems to be more repeats and less shows because with channels being 24 hours a day they need to fill the space up.

What is your opinion?
There are a few reasons why there are high amounts of American programmes and I remember in the late 00s it was reported that only 1% of children's programmes at the time were made in the UK. One reason is the ownership of the channels:

These are American owned channels:[LIST][*]Turner Broadcasting owns 4 (exc. Boomerang +1 and CN HD)[*]FOX owns Baby TV[*]Disney owns 4 (exc. 4 x +1s and 3 x HDs)[*]Viacom/BSkyB (Nickelodeon UK) owns 4 (exc. 2 x +1s and Nickelodeon HD)[/LIST]
There are UK owned channels[LIST][*]The BBC owns 2[*]ITV owns 1[*]CSC owns 4 (exc. 2 x +1s)[/LIST]
Turner, Disney, Nickelodeon and FOX produce their own programmes. The BBC is the main producer and commissioner of children's programmes in the UK, ITV closed the children's part of ITV studios but have produced few programmes recently and CSC don't produce programmes

In America there are more children's channels than in the UK so there is more competitiveness and so more programmes.
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