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leeowls87
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by pete137:
“"Frasier" also always had a locked front door which required visitors to ring a doorbell to enter...........you know, like normal people !

Its always so stupid when people just barge into eack others houses on tv shows. That just doent happen.”

Haha I was watching this weeks Rules of Engagement and Jeff knocks on Adams and Jens Door to give them a salad bowl back, he knocks twice with no answer so he just opens the door and walks in and steals a cupcake as well.

Surely the door would be locked lol and why bother knocking in the 1st place if you can just barge in.

Its like when Mr Heckles pretends to be Chandlers new roomate in that flashback episode, when the person who should of been his roomate turned up, Heckles says he is the new roomate and opens the door and goes Ha as if he was surprised it opened so maybe it was just them 2 apartment lol that didn't lock doors

Just think Joey had Mr Heckles to thank for getting that gig If they locked there doors it could of been so different
Joe_Zel
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by loddellbosh:
“If the building uses an intercom how did Jill even get in?”

Someone held the door open for her downstairs?

But, yeah, I don't think the intercom was seen or at least not used after season 1.
BumbleSquat
25-10-2013
The audience reactions to guest stars. A door opens to reveal Brad Pitt, Christina Applegate, Freddie Prinze Jr. etc. (SCREEEEEEEEEEAM!, CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) I felt by the later seasons it became a pretty stale way to introduce or reveal the guest star to the audience. It was almost as if the show was breaking the fourth wall in those moments - they might as well have had all 6 Friends tap dancing around the set with jazz hands as they sing the name of this week's guest star!

I liked how Winona Ryder seemed to just glide into the scene with no real fuss... until she lip-wrestled Rachel at the end!
Squealer_Mahony
25-10-2013
That reminds me although its probably been brought up : why did Phoebe find it so hard to believe Rachel kissed a girl in a college?
Her best friend thought her how to kiss in camp and her and Monica kissed in front of Joey and Chandler!
If she said she'd slept with the girl I'd understand Phoebes skepticism.
Salv*
25-10-2013
I personally really liked Phoebe, she would have her moments of bitchiness of course, but in general, I thought she was quite a nice person.

Chandler was better in the first half of teh series, his humour and sarcasm started to fade when being with Monica, meanwhile, Ross got funnier I think in the later seasons and I think Rachel did slightly too.

One that people seem t be missing is Joey. People speak of his lack of intelligence, but if you ignore that, he is a very loyal friend. Can we look back on Chandler and Kathy's kiss? Yes, he punished Chandler for putting him in a box, but he practically forgave him straight after. Even the friends comment on it, "If you told Joey before you kissed her, knowing Joey, he probably would have backed down".

There are many instances where Joey does a lot of things to help him Friends, especially Chandler. eg. Giving him gifts, making him food, trying to make Chandler feel better after his Kathy breakup, inviting him to the theatre where Chandler fell asleep. Then for others, eg. giving up meat for Phoebe.
Salv*
25-10-2013
Originally Posted by Squealer_Mahony:
“I can't remember that to be honest but I was good and didnt read spoilers back then maybe thats why.

Few more Ross related gripes well not really gripes ... gripettes if you will:
When Ross's mam gives him the ring to give to Rachel theres no mention of the fact that he once had it to give to Emily. It wasn't like Judy not to get a dig in about that.

The storyline with Ross and Mona and the holiday card was out of character for Ross. Giving her the key then changing the lock was like something Chandler would've done with Janice!
Maybe it was meant to be a case of Ross having learned from past mistakes of rushing in too fast and
not knowing how to deal with going slow.”

I think the Mona thing was done on purpose by the writers. Ross was so involved in the Rachel pregnancy that he kept forgetting that he had Mona as a girlfriend, he kept forgetting to meet her for dates! It seemed he wasn't really interested in her.
Squealer_Mahony
26-10-2013
I agree about Joey, he is probably the most loyal and "best" friend.
It's hard to imagine him being the type who never calls girls again or gives out fake names in the later series.
djfunnyman
26-10-2013
Originally Posted by loddellbosh:
“One thing that annoyed me slightly last night on the ep I watched - Rachel walked in on Monica (presumably) lying naked on her bed, waiting for Chandler, when someone knocks on the door of the apartment. Monica panics thinking it's Chandler, but it's Joey and Ross having been thrown out of the cinema because Ross is on the phone to a relative of Emily's.

Why the hell did they knock? The door is always unlocked and they all have keys. If they thought maybe someone was out why didn't they go straight to Joey and Chandler's? Why did Monica assume Chandler would knock when none of them ever do, and she was waiting for him in her bedroom?

Which then made me think about when Jill visits Rachel and she knocks on the door - Phoebe counts the group to check no one was missing, why would she assume that one of them would knock?
Then I remembered the episode where Monica reviews Alessandro's and Alessandro comes to have it out with her and she won't let him in the building by not buzzing him in with the intercom. If the building uses an intercom how did Jill even get in?”

Another example of this is in the episode when the girls try on Wedding Dresses and when Joshua knocks on the door, Rachel assumes its Chandler. Why would Chandler knock?!
storm818
26-10-2013
Phoebe really irritates me, just saw the episode where she asks Monica to "tell Chandler who she actually wanted to sleep with in London", completely throws her under the bus and afterwards doesn't even apologise...

Yet in the episode where Ross (correctly) points out that Phoebe's dead mum isn't the cat, she forces him to apologise to the cat.

If I had a "friend" like her, she would be ex-communicated in seconds!
Tyyleer
26-10-2013
Why all the Phoebe hate, i love her!
far2cool
27-10-2013
Originally Posted by storm818:
“Phoebe really irritates me, just saw the episode where she asks Monica to "tell Chandler who she actually wanted to sleep with in London", completely throws her under the bus and afterwards doesn't even apologise...

Yet in the episode where Ross (correctly) points out that Phoebe's dead mum isn't the cat, she forces him to apologise to the cat.

If I had a "friend" like her, she would be ex-communicated in seconds!”

Possibly my least favourite episode.
Squealer_Mahony
27-10-2013
Originally Posted by storm818:
“Phoebe really irritates me, just saw the episode where she asks Monica to "tell Chandler who she actually wanted to sleep with in London", completely throws her under the bus and afterwards doesn't even apologise...

Yet in the episode where Ross (correctly) points out that Phoebe's dead mum isn't the cat, she forces him to apologise to the cat.

If I had a "friend" like her, she would be ex-communicated in seconds!”

See the cat thing was Phoebe being Phoebe, naive, whacky, spiritual and everything in between. Ross was kinda brutal in his explanation (you could argue it was needed because let's face it she was acting selfishly... Could also assume she would've seen sense eventually and given the cat back) and he kinda showed her up to look stupid in front of the group "NOT mom CAT!" Then it was Rachel who evilly suggested Ross apologise to the cat, knowing how much it would humilate hum and Phoebe, again almost innocently, thinks her mum would like that...

However what she did to Monica was at best incredibly thick and at worst being an ultra bitch. Not only did she throw Monica under the bus but how humiliating for Chandler to have that said in front of his friends. Think it also messed up the storyline of Monica and Chandler getting together in the first place.
Sick Bullet
28-10-2013
Why do people moan about characters in a comedy? like they were horrible and the show is a gritty drama or something, I mean you're not suppose to hate them just because they are being mean

All my favourite comedies I don't have one bad word about them or any episode.
Squealer_Mahony
28-10-2013
Ah this all just a bit of fun, we all love the show or we wouldn't be here.
Phoebe gets a lot of stick because her character wasn't always like that and I think a lot of people would find it hard to imagine being friends with her .. and the show is about a group of friends.
But c'mon I bet you could have a little gripe too
.. join the griping ... jooooiiin ussss
FrankieFixer
28-10-2013
By the end my gripe was them going through the motions with their $500 dollar haircuts and had one eye on their terrible movie/spin off careers.
decobelle
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“By the end my gripe was them going through the motions with their $500 dollar haircuts and had one eye on their terrible movie/spin off careers.”

Nah, Friends was top quality all the way along...let's face it none of the stars needed the money and didn't need to be there but I really think, no matter how much griping I've done, that the quality was maintained throughout. Just watched the episode where Rachel gives birth, Jen An's acting is superb IMO
FrankieFixer
28-10-2013
The last season or two was on autopilot for me, purely financial reasons motivated it, and you could tell. I never found Jen An that believable as anything other than a bit spoiled and stuck up, which I'd assume wasn't much of a stretch for her to play. Her as a parent just seemed weird, she seems like one of those aunts who would coo over a baby, and then hand them over as soon as it pooped itself.

The biggest gripe for me was the whole wandering into houses and fridges that didn't belong to them, or the saccharine group hugs when one of them was dumped/lost their job/stubbed their toe etc. Charlie Brooker did an excellent aspirational TV piece lampooning these ridiculous ideas.
Salv*
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“The last season or two was on autopilot for me, purely financial reasons motivated it, and you could tell. I never found Jen An that believable as anything other than a bit spoiled and stuck up, which I'd assume wasn't much of a stretch for her to play. Her as a parent just seemed weird, she seems like one of those aunts who would coo over a baby, and then hand them over as soon as it pooped itself.

The biggest gripe for me was the whole wandering into houses and fridges that didn't belong to them, or the saccharine group hugs when one of them was dumped/lost their job/stubbed their toe etc. Charlie Brooker did an excellent aspirational TV piece lampooning these ridiculous ideas.”

I actually thought S8-S10 were fantastic and better than S6 and S7. I loved Season 10!

Close friends do that (the fridge thing). I have only known my uni friends for just over 2 yrs and I always go into their kitchen and help myself and they do the same thing, make myself food, wander in the bedrooms, so the Friends doing that when living that close to each other for years is not strange.
Joe_Zel
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“The last season or two was on autopilot for me, purely financial reasons motivated it, and you could tell. I never found Jen An that believable as anything other than a bit spoiled and stuck up, which I'd assume wasn't much of a stretch for her to play. Her as a parent just seemed weird, she seems like one of those aunts who would coo over a baby, and then hand them over as soon as it pooped itself.

The biggest gripe for me was the whole wandering into houses and fridges that didn't belong to them, or the saccharine group hugs when one of them was dumped/lost their job/stubbed their toe etc. Charlie Brooker did an excellent aspirational TV piece lampooning these ridiculous ideas.”

Then maybe it's time Mr Brooker and yourself realised it's called "fiction" for a reason.

If you watch shows like this thinking about how realistic/unrealistic something is then you're missing the point.
FrankieFixer
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by Joe_Zel:
“Then maybe it's time Mr Brooker and yourself realised it's called "fiction" for a reason.

If you watch shows like this thinking about how realistic/unrealistic something is then you're missing the point.”

Watch the clip on youtube, he hits the nail on the head perfectly.
Joe_Zel
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Watch the clip on youtube, he hits the nail on the head perfectly.”

I've seen it.

But I don't watch sitcoms for a reflection of life as I know it.
Salv*
31-10-2013
Something that bothered me a little... Emily.

OK, when she was introduced she was a loveable character, nice to everyone, friends with everyone incl Rachel (this was when she knew that Rachel and Ross had a past), and I completely understand why she was annoyed after Ross said to Rachel, BUT, in S5 she turned into a right cow. Not only did she say Ross was not allowed to see Rachel (fair enough, kind of, even though banning a spouse from seeing a friend is not right), it seemed like she was acting really childish. She should have been more mad at Ross for saying Rachel instead of hating Rachel because Rachel didn't really do anything wrong (when you take out the part that she wanted to stop the wedding).

She was basically using the wedding as an excuse to have the friends fall out with Ross when she could have easily stayed and continued to speak to the other 4. But trying to force Ross to move away and abandon his friends was wrong, which is why I support Joey when he was the first to tell Ross that she was manipulating him.

Again, i understand she was furious, but there was no need for her to force Ross to leave his best friends.
Joe_Zel
31-10-2013
It seemed like the writer's didn't fully think the story through in season 4, so in season 5 they suddenly had to give the character a personality transplant and make her completely unlikeable and dump Ross.

Had she stayed the same she'd have stayed with Ross, which they didn't want, or he'd have dumped Emily which would have had Ross/Rachel in a pretty bad light.

Having her become a monster that was gotten rid of, they could keep the golden couple in a good light.
KnowAll27
31-10-2013
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Something that bothered me a little... Emily.

OK, when she was introduced she was a loveable character, nice to everyone, friends with everyone incl Rachel (this was when she knew that Rachel and Ross had a past), and I completely understand why she was annoyed after Ross said to Rachel, BUT, in S5 she turned into a right cow. Not only did she say Ross was not allowed to see Rachel (fair enough, kind of, even though banning a spouse from seeing a friend is not right), it seemed like she was acting really childish. She should have been more mad at Ross for saying Rachel instead of hating Rachel because Rachel didn't really do anything wrong (when you take out the part that she wanted to stop the wedding).

She was basically using the wedding as an excuse to have the friends fall out with Ross when she could have easily stayed and continued to speak to the other 4. But trying to force Ross to move away and abandon his friends was wrong, which is why I support Joey when he was the first to tell Ross that she was manipulating him.

Again, i understand she was furious, but there was no need for her to force Ross to leave his best friends.”

Originally Posted by Joe_Zel:
“It seemed like the writer's didn't fully think the story through in season 4, so in season 5 they suddenly had to give the character a personality transplant and make her completely unlikeable and dump Ross.

Had she stayed the same she'd have stayed with Ross, which they didn't want, or he'd have dumped Emily which would have had Ross/Rachel in a pretty bad light.

Having her become a monster that was gotten rid of, they could keep the golden couple in a good light.”

Wasn't Helen Baxendale pregnant by the time series 5 came around (and committed to Cold Feet as well), therefore not available to film Friends apart from one phone-call scene? The producers had to tie-up the storyline with one of the major players absent, which may explain the direction it went in.

Can you imagine Patsy Kensit as Emily? Apparwntly she turned it down for family reasons, which is why Helen Baxendale got the part.
storm818
31-10-2013
Originally Posted by Squealer_Mahony:
“See the cat thing was Phoebe being Phoebe, naive, whacky, spiritual and everything in between. Ross was kinda brutal in his explanation (you could argue it was needed because let's face it she was acting selfishly... Could also assume she would've seen sense eventually and given the cat back) and he kinda showed her up to look stupid in front of the group "NOT mom CAT!" Then it was Rachel who evilly suggested Ross apologise to the cat, knowing how much it would humilate hum and Phoebe, again almost innocently, thinks her mum would like that...

However what she did to Monica was at best incredibly thick and at worst being an ultra bitch. Not only did she throw Monica under the bus but how humiliating for Chandler to have that said in front of his friends. Think it also messed up the storyline of Monica and Chandler getting together in the first place.”

Agreed, Ross was blunt but he pretty much had to be as the rest of the gang were too chicken to tell Phoebe. I doubt she would have seen sense either as she didn't even know about the missing cat posters until Ross showed her.

As for Rachel, she was a bitch to Ross pretty much throughout the series, my second least favourite character after Phoebe.
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