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Their crazy downstairs neighbour, Mr Heckles, is constantly banging on his ceiling (the girls' floor) indicating that they are making too much noise - and he also knocks on their door. When he dies in Season 2, they all go into his apartment to clear his stuff and hear just how loud it is when someone walks around upstairs on the fancy hardwood floors - so much so that Chandler bangs on the ceiling with the broom.
Unless the apartment remained empty (which is uber rare in New York), why didn't the new tenants complain? The girls didn't put down carpets and the noise was very, very loud in Mr Heckles apartment. In the same vein, in TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister, we hear that the girls' upstairs neighbour is incredibly loud when he speaks, walks and has sex. After that one episode, he's never mentioned or heard from again! Picky, I know, but having loud upstairs neighbours myself, I actually felt for Mr Heckles so it's stuck in my head!! |
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Not really a gripe so much as an observation that the character of Kathy was poorly written or portrayed.
The fact she cheats on both Joey and Chandler within the space of a few episodes always makes her look bad when reviewing characters retrospectively, but she was generally portrayed as a 'nice' character. (let's not forget Joey was dating someone else while with her as well) I guess they needed Chandler to split up with her so they could move onto the Monica/Chandler reveal at the end of that season, but it all seemed a bit sudden and rushed. Not sure if that was because Paget Brewster was only signed up for a short term arc, but I think they could have stretched it out a bit longer. |
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Their crazy downstairs neighbour, Mr Heckles, is constantly banging on his ceiling (the girls' floor) indicating that they are making too much noise - and he also knocks on their door. When he dies in Season 2, they all go into his apartment to clear his stuff and hear just how loud it is when someone walks around upstairs on the fancy hardwood floors - so much so that Chandler bangs on the ceiling with the broom.
Unless the apartment remained empty (which is uber rare in New York), why didn't the new tenants complain? The girls didn't put down carpets and the noise was very, very loud in Mr Heckles apartment. In the same vein, in TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister, we hear that the girls' upstairs neighbour is incredibly loud when he speaks, walks and has sex. After that one episode, he's never mentioned or heard from again! Picky, I know, but having loud upstairs neighbours myself, I actually felt for Mr Heckles so it's stuck in my head!!
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In one episode Phoebe calls Rachel "Pheebs" and thinks that's what they all call each other. That's ridiculous, surely Phoebe would have noticed that she is the only one called Pheebs because its similar to Phoebe
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Another minor Ross gripe.
I think the episode is during the Chandler in Tulsa era and Monica upsets him because she keeps raving on about this guy at her work who is so funny. Chandler is upset because being funny is his 'thing'. Joey then wonders what Ross' 'thing' is and Ross responds with Science, Academia and being a good father. Now maybe I am just being picky because I hate Ross, but this seems lame. Surely being a good father is not a 'thing', it is just the normal expectation of anyone with kids. Plus it could be argued he is not a great father, two kids born to mothers he is not involved with once the child is born and during this period he is out banging loads of women, including a student of his that is 10-12 years younger, hardly a great role model. The Science/Academia comments just make him sound conceited and superior to the rest of the group, who I always feel he looks down on from a career/education point of view. |
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In one episode Phoebe calls Rachel "Pheebs" and thinks that's what they all call each other. That's ridiculous, surely Phoebe would have noticed that she is the only one called Pheebs because its similar to Phoebe
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Their crazy downstairs neighbour, Mr Heckles, is constantly banging on his ceiling (the girls' floor) indicating that they are making too much noise - and he also knocks on their door. When he dies in Season 2, they all go into his apartment to clear his stuff and hear just how loud it is when someone walks around upstairs on the fancy hardwood floors - so much so that Chandler bangs on the ceiling with the broom.
Unless the apartment remained empty (which is uber rare in New York), why didn't the new tenants complain? The girls didn't put down carpets and the noise was very, very loud in Mr Heckles apartment. In the same vein, in TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister, we hear that the girls' upstairs neighbour is incredibly loud when he speaks, walks and has sex. After that one episode, he's never mentioned or heard from again! Picky, I know, but having loud upstairs neighbours myself, I actually felt for Mr Heckles so it's stuck in my head!! |
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I was on holiday a couple of days back still and last week I randomly thought of this thread and said, "Ooh I need to write the Pheebs thing". Forget to though! It was ridiculous. She often responds to Pheebs before that episode.
The inconsistency would be the fact she never called either Monica or Rachel by that name before that Rachel Greep episode. |
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Why did George Clooney's character answer the phone in that episode? You wouldn't answer the phone in a stranger's home! In TOW the Boobies, why does no one look their door?!
They hardly ever lock their doors anyway. One of the times Monica actually locks her door I remember one of the others saying something like: "Oh now she locks the door but when her & Chandler are having sex on the sofa it's like 'come on in my bum is surprisingly hairy'!". Quote:
In TOW Nana dies Twice Joey and Jack bond over watching football. This makes Jack's "Which one are you?" line even more ridiculous because he has known Joey for so long.
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The neighbour upstairs that Phoebe has sex with moved into the same apartment. I am guessing that soon after that episode, he moved out. And then we never heard about the complaints further into the series because they sorted out the problem. Or for all we know, after the loud neighbour left, no one wanted to live in there knowing that the previous tenant had died in there, but that's unlikely as you said, a New York apartment, which by the sounds of Monica, was fairly cheap (but that may be because her grandmother sorted that stuff out before).
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George answered the phone as the girls were too busy arguing and I'm guessing the ringing was annoying him.
They hardly ever lock their doors anyway. One of the times Monica actually locks her door I remember one of the others saying something like: "Oh now she locks the door but when her & Chandler are having sex on the sofa it's like 'come on in my bum is surprisingly hairy'!". Also I'm pretty sure when Jack says to Joey which one are you this was when Chandler was either Monica's boyfriend or husband which makes it sound even more ridiculous. "Which one are you?" Well Jack it's obviously not the one who is your son or your son-in-law so that just leaves Joey. Mr Heckles lived in the apartment below Monica & Rachel hence why they and the others always stamped their feet whenever Heckles hit his ceiling below them with the broom. The noisy neighbour who Phoebe sleeps with lived above Monica as they always looked up when they heard him. So that's two different apartments. Ben's last appearance was when Phoebe swore about the Pacman. Maybe Carol and Susan banned Ross from seeing Ben after that but even that wouldn't make sense and would be mentioned |
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Yeah, I have a gripe. Why is this show on so much!
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That line was in TOW the Cake, which was in season 10! When Joey's dad appears he asks Ross "how's the wife?" but in TOW the Flashback it is revealed that Joey and Ross don't meet until the night Ross and Carol split up making that line ludicrous!
Ben's last appearance was when Phoebe swore about the Pacman. Maybe Carol and Susan banned Ross from seeing Ben after that but even that wouldn't make sense and would be mentioned |
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Yea the "which one are you" line grates on me for the same reasons - and even if Chandler wasn't with Monica there is no way Jack would confuse him with Joey. Chandler isn't just an old friend of Ross's he's the guy who lost a toe in his kitchen, he's the guy they held a grudge against for what, almost ten years? - For giving their beloved Ross weed!!
The line would've worked if it was one of Rachels parents. The other thing is they did that joke so much better back in an earlier season with Gunter - "I thought you were Chandler... Well one of you is over there." |
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That line was in TOW the Cake, which was in season 10! When Joey's dad appears he asks Ross "how's the wife?" but in TOW the Flashback it is revealed that Joey and Ross don't meet until the night Ross and Carol split up making that line ludicrous!
Ben's last appearance was when Phoebe swore about the Pacman. Maybe Carol and Susan banned Ross from seeing Ben after that but even that wouldn't make sense and would be mentioned |
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I think you can forgive things like "which one are you" as the majority of all of the flashbacks and back history was decided as they wrote it and not years in advance
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The 'which one are you' does seem a bit dumb considering the time it took place, 10 seasons in, I guess they felt the joke fell into the context that Joey had forgotten to get a present and was trying to pretend he had gone in with the Gellers on a joint gift, which was pretty ridiculous.
Another Ross gripe having earlier seen 'TOW the Chick and a Duck' was the scene where he blows off his Discovery Channel appearance to help get Rachel dressed. This whole plotline is supposed to be sweet and build up to them getting back together, but is tarnished by the creepy scene where Ross says he can always see Rachel naked by closing his eyes and remembering. It seems a little weird to me. |
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That and he counted each time they had sex.. Weirdo
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That and he counted each time they had sex.. Weirdo
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I always found it weird that the girls out up with Joey hitting on them nearly all the time. I highly doubt that would happen in real life.
As the episode where Ross gets tanned is slightly uncomfortable; it just looks like he's 'blacked up'. Though, that's probably just because I've been influenced by the media as to what I can and can't laugh at. |
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I always found it weird that the girls out up with Joey hitting on them nearly all the time. I highly doubt that would happen in real life.
As the episode where Ross gets tanned is slightly uncomfortable; it just looks like he's 'blacked up'. Though, that's probably just because I've been influenced by the media as to what I can and can't laugh at. Ross being tanned wasn't intentionally racist |
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I forget the episode, but it involves Chandler being fixed up with a work colleague that happens to be gay, because apparently Chandler has a 'quality'.
When the group are talking about this, Chandler asks the others if Ross has this 'quality'. Ross and the gang just laugh as if this is an incredulous notion. Now my view is that throughout the series, Ross is by far the most camp and effeminate of the 3 males. I don't see why this was so prepostorous. |
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I forget the episode, but it involves Chandler being fixed up with a work colleague that happens to be gay, because apparently Chandler has a 'quality'.
When the group are talking about this, Chandler asks the others if Ross has this 'quality'. Ross and the gang just laugh as if this is an incredulous notion. Now my view is that throughout the series, Ross is by far the most camp and effeminate of the 3 males. I don't see why this was so prepostorous. Who turned in Fake Monica? It seems odd that we had no idea who turned her in As for Ross as a parent, he wasn't given a chance to shine by Carol and Susan and Ross and Susan seemed to be competing with each other for most of season 1 I might have said this before, but when Ross and Chandler attended the college reunion I'm surprised that Carol wasn't there or mentioned and also surprised that the events of the Memorial Service episode aren't mentioned |
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This isn't really a gripe, just an observation, but it's something I had never noticed until a recent rewatch.
In the first 2/3 of season seven, Matthew Perry's delivery of most of his lines is completely unlike Chandler in all the other seasons, the lines are slow and drawn out and it's like he was trying a new style of talking. Think of lines like when he was dressed as Santa "Your dad never dressed as Santa did he?" or when he got new glasses "You knew I didn't wear glasses right?" It's throughout most of season 7, by the wedding it's back to his oldself, and then season eight and beyond, but it's just something I had never noticed before. The third portion of the episode, which is the Chandler/Monica part, is the weak link of the episode. This is where Monica bumps into a stranger that turns out to be an ex of Chandler's that he dumped for being fat. Maybe it is just the nature of the storyline, but that drawn out, slow way of speaking, is very much on show here. Especially so with one line that stands out, 'seriously, good luck marrying me' when he makes an insensitive remark about weight. I think I responded earlier in the thread that I just put it down to Chandler becoming less the funny guy and more the husband to be guy as time evolved, but as you say, it doesn't happen all the time. |
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I think Ross and Chandler are equally feminine
Who turned in Fake Monica? It seems odd that we had no idea who turned her in As for Ross as a parent, he wasn't given a chance to shine by Carol and Susan and Ross and Susan seemed to be competing with each other for most of season 1 I might have said this before, but when Ross and Chandler attended the college reunion I'm surprised that Carol wasn't there or mentioned and also surprised that the events of the Memorial Service episode aren't mentioned Maybe it was actually down to Monica herself when she initially reported the matter to the police, prior to Real Monica actually meeting Fake Monica and growing to like her. As for the other stuff, Carol may well have been there and just not mentioned or more likely she chose not to go due to not wanting to explain the 'becoming a lesbian' stuff, or maybe she actually thought she would spare Ross the embarrassment of having to explain. The memorial stuff is probably explained by the fact that not many people turned up because nobody bar the odd few would have read it. |
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Apologies for bumping this from a few pages back, but this is really noticeable in TOW the Nap Partners. It is an episode I have watched many times because I really love the actual nap partners (Ross and Joey) storyline and also quite enjoy the Phoebe/Rachel battle to become Monica's maid of honour.
The third portion of the episode, which is the Chandler/Monica part, is the weak link of the episode. This is where Monica bumps into a stranger that turns out to be an ex of Chandler's that he dumped for being fat. Maybe it is just the nature of the storyline, but that drawn out, slow way of speaking, is very much on show here. Especially so with one line that stands out, 'seriously, good luck marrying me' when he makes an insensitive remark about weight. I think I responded earlier in the thread that I just put it down to Chandler becoming less the funny guy and more the husband to be guy as time evolved, but as you say, it doesn't happen all the time. |
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