Originally Posted by Woodbine:
“I didn't say you were? I was talking about Monica. But looking back I didn't word it correctly.”
“I didn't say you were? I was talking about Monica. But looking back I didn't word it correctly.”
My apologies....
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Originally Posted by Paul1511:
“In Monica's defence though, Mrs Green was acting like a complete plank. She could have simply accepted the apology and been civil for the sake of keeping the peace, but instead she continued to be prickly towards Monica. Hence why Monica felt the need to keep trying to make amends.”
“In Monica's defence though, Mrs Green was acting like a complete plank. She could have simply accepted the apology and been civil for the sake of keeping the peace, but instead she continued to be prickly towards Monica. Hence why Monica felt the need to keep trying to make amends.”
Agreed. She does treat Monica horribly throughout the episode but that doesn't mean Monica has to go over the top with her actions and comments just to get some level of forgiveness she feels she needs.
The apology was enough. She didn't need to go any further.
I suppose the bit I find the most annoying is the end of the episode when after all the overboard stuff, she finally snaps and stands up for herself. If the episode had ended there that would have almost made up for Monica's weird behaviour, but after that she totally retracts and goes back to apologising and being weird again.
And as I say I do realise Mrs Green was being horrible to Monica but I imagine she must have been getting more annoyed at Monica throughout the episode (she couldn't even have a personal moment with Rachel without Monica interfering) but all the more reason for Monica to stand up to her.
Originally Posted by Brummy Girl:
“Woodbine meant that Monica loved ripping things apart with her bare hands as she can be quite aggressive when she wants to.
A minor gripe for me is when Rachel (who is a week overdue at this point) says the reason why she's home early is because her work told her to take her maternity leave there and then.
She was a week overdue, why would she still be at work? Surely her maternity leave would have started weeks before her original due date.”
“Woodbine meant that Monica loved ripping things apart with her bare hands as she can be quite aggressive when she wants to.
A minor gripe for me is when Rachel (who is a week overdue at this point) says the reason why she's home early is because her work told her to take her maternity leave there and then.
She was a week overdue, why would she still be at work? Surely her maternity leave would have started weeks before her original due date.”
I don't know about 2002, but currently in America maternity leave is only for 12 weeks, and it's unpaid. So I would guess most mothers would prefer to work right up until they give birth to spend as much time bonding with their baby as possible.
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“Agreed. She does treat Monica horribly throughout the episode but that doesn't mean Monica has to go over the top with her actions and comments just to get some level of forgiveness she feels she needs.
The apology was enough. She didn't need to go any further.
I suppose the bit I find the most annoying is the end of the episode when after all the overboard stuff, she finally snaps and stands up for herself. If the episode had ended there that would have almost made up for Monica's weird behaviour, but after that she totally retracts and goes back to apologising and being weird again.
And as I say I do realise Mrs Green was being horrible to Monica but I imagine she must have been getting more annoyed at Monica throughout the episode (she couldn't even have a personal moment with Rachel without Monica interfering) but all the more reason for Monica to stand up to her.”
“Agreed. She does treat Monica horribly throughout the episode but that doesn't mean Monica has to go over the top with her actions and comments just to get some level of forgiveness she feels she needs.
The apology was enough. She didn't need to go any further.
I suppose the bit I find the most annoying is the end of the episode when after all the overboard stuff, she finally snaps and stands up for herself. If the episode had ended there that would have almost made up for Monica's weird behaviour, but after that she totally retracts and goes back to apologising and being weird again.
And as I say I do realise Mrs Green was being horrible to Monica but I imagine she must have been getting more annoyed at Monica throughout the episode (she couldn't even have a personal moment with Rachel without Monica interfering) but all the more reason for Monica to stand up to her.”
The whole point of the Monica character is she 'needs to be liked' so no matter how Rachels mother treats her Monica needs her to like her again, In Monica's head it's her own fault and deserved because she forgot to invite her so she is being overly hard on herself
Originally Posted by cris182:
“The whole point of the Monica character is she 'needs to be liked' so no matter how Rachels mother treats her Monica needs her to like her again, In Monica's head it's her own fault and deserved because she forgot to invite her so she is being overly hard on herself”
“The whole point of the Monica character is she 'needs to be liked' so no matter how Rachels mother treats her Monica needs her to like her again, In Monica's head it's her own fault and deserved because she forgot to invite her so she is being overly hard on herself”
That's always been the case I agree. We see this as early as the second episode when Monica is doing her level best (with Ross's help) to get her parents to simply appreciate her more but just doesn't work. (Judy questioning Monica when Ross tells all about Carol, Susan and the pregnancy).
I think on this occasion though Monica's desire to be liked goes way too far. Fair enough you want to be on good terms with your best friend's mother but she goes about it in such an irritable way. But in her mind it probably feels right.
I will add I think is the worst appearance of Mrs Green in Friends. In the episode with Carol and Susan's wedding I do think she's quite nice and really adds to the episode but in this one it's like a whole different person. She had a right to be annoyed about the invite but she is really snide throughout.
I just dislike this episode in general.
It's a strange episode but I like "garage? I meant the gar-bage"
And her questioning Ross's self control
And her questioning Ross's self control
Originally Posted by ScottishWoody:
“I don't know about 2002, but currently in America maternity leave is only for 12 weeks, and it's unpaid. So I would guess most mothers would prefer to work right up until they give birth to spend as much time bonding with their baby as possible.”
“I don't know about 2002, but currently in America maternity leave is only for 12 weeks, and it's unpaid. So I would guess most mothers would prefer to work right up until they give birth to spend as much time bonding with their baby as possible.”
You're right "Maternity Leave" is part of FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act of 1993) Employers have to leave your job open for 12 weeks. If you are unable to return after that time they may sack you. The period if unpaid
Worse, it only applies to a company of more than 50 people (though some States reduce the # of employees) , so she may not had had any leave at all
I adore David Schwimmer's acting. Or should I say the way he "plays Ross", IMO he got funnier over time.
His stuff like, "okaaay" or when he was in the restaurant with Charlie and "Benjy", "it's just a funny image, you too in this restaurant, when ah-ah, hmmm".
Personal highlight was Ross vs Dr Green when Mona is present. Every scene was perfect. I've mentioned it before but POOR MONA! She had to put up with so much, why did she stick around for so long?
Ooh here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBukCCXntzY
His stuff like, "okaaay" or when he was in the restaurant with Charlie and "Benjy", "it's just a funny image, you too in this restaurant, when ah-ah, hmmm".
Personal highlight was Ross vs Dr Green when Mona is present. Every scene was perfect. I've mentioned it before but POOR MONA! She had to put up with so much, why did she stick around for so long?
Ooh here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBukCCXntzY
Originally Posted by dave2702:
“You're right "Maternity Leave" is part of FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act of 1993) Employers have to leave your job open for 12 weeks. If you are unable to return after that time they may sack you. The period if unpaid
Worse, it only applies to a company of more than 50 people (though some States reduce the # of employees) , so she may not had had any leave at all”
“You're right "Maternity Leave" is part of FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act of 1993) Employers have to leave your job open for 12 weeks. If you are unable to return after that time they may sack you. The period if unpaid
Worse, it only applies to a company of more than 50 people (though some States reduce the # of employees) , so she may not had had any leave at all”
But in the episode after Rachel has kissed Gavin and then calls in sick Phoebe comments that she has had '6 months of maternity leave, then kissed a co worker after a day and called in sick' (or summat like that). Now she got an extra months paid maternity leave becuase her boss wanted to buy her baby
- so 5 months maternity leave? How strange.
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“I adore David Schwimmer's acting. Or should I say the way he "plays Ross", IMO he got funnier over time.
His stuff like, "okaaay" or when he was in the restaurant with Charlie and "Benjy", "it's just a funny image, you too in this restaurant, when ah-ah, hmmm".
Personal highlight was Ross vs Dr Green when Mona is present. Every scene was perfect. I've mentioned it before but POOR MONA! She had to put up with so much, why did she stick around for so long?
Ooh here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBukCCXntzY”
“I adore David Schwimmer's acting. Or should I say the way he "plays Ross", IMO he got funnier over time.
His stuff like, "okaaay" or when he was in the restaurant with Charlie and "Benjy", "it's just a funny image, you too in this restaurant, when ah-ah, hmmm".
Personal highlight was Ross vs Dr Green when Mona is present. Every scene was perfect. I've mentioned it before but POOR MONA! She had to put up with so much, why did she stick around for so long?
Ooh here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBukCCXntzY”
ROSS-CAAAN win the favourite friends poll! Poor old Monica is last
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/friends...-get-it-right/
Originally Posted by decobelle:
“ROSS-CAAAN win the favourite friends poll! Poor old Monica is last
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/friends...-get-it-right/”
“ROSS-CAAAN win the favourite friends poll! Poor old Monica is last
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/friends...-get-it-right/”
Nice to see Ross and Chandler as the top two. IMO they are the best two in the group.
Originally Posted by Squealer_Mahony:
“It's a strange episode but I like "garage? I meant the gar-bage"
And her questioning Ross's self control”
“It's a strange episode but I like "garage? I meant the gar-bage"
And her questioning Ross's self control”
Poor Ross. No one ever appreciated his affection for Dinosaur toys.
Apart from the sales clerk in the baby store I suppose.
Originally Posted by decobelle:
“But in the episode after Rachel has kissed Gavin and then calls in sick Phoebe comments that she has had '6 months of maternity leave, then kissed a co worker after a day and called in sick' (or summat like that). Now she got an extra months paid maternity leave becuase her boss wanted to buy her baby - so 5 months maternity leave? How strange.”
“But in the episode after Rachel has kissed Gavin and then calls in sick Phoebe comments that she has had '6 months of maternity leave, then kissed a co worker after a day and called in sick' (or summat like that). Now she got an extra months paid maternity leave becuase her boss wanted to buy her baby
- so 5 months maternity leave? How strange.”
That would be possible, she didn't specify that it was Paid Maternity Leave and more enlightened companies do offer above and beyond what is the minimum stated by FMLA. She might work for a Canadian company that offers 15 Weeks Paid Maternity Leave and often offer the same terms to employees in US Branch Offices
Just noticed that New York State has passed a bill stating that as of 2018 Employees will be entitled to receive 50% paid leave, but initially only 8 weeks, rising to 10 then 12 in 2021. But the pay is capped to 2/3 of the State's Average Monthly Wage which means a max of $848 Per Month
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“That's always been the case I agree. We see this as early as the second episode when Monica is doing her level best (with Ross's help) to get her parents to simply appreciate her more but just doesn't work. (Judy questioning Monica when Ross tells all about Carol, Susan and the pregnancy).
I think on this occasion though Monica's desire to be liked goes way too far. Fair enough you want to be on good terms with your best friend's mother but she goes about it in such an irritable way. But in her mind it probably feels right.
I will add I think is the worst appearance of Mrs Green in Friends. In the episode with Carol and Susan's wedding I do think she's quite nice and really adds to the episode but in this one it's like a whole different person. She had a right to be annoyed about the invite but she is really snide throughout.
I just dislike this episode in general.”
“That's always been the case I agree. We see this as early as the second episode when Monica is doing her level best (with Ross's help) to get her parents to simply appreciate her more but just doesn't work. (Judy questioning Monica when Ross tells all about Carol, Susan and the pregnancy).
I think on this occasion though Monica's desire to be liked goes way too far. Fair enough you want to be on good terms with your best friend's mother but she goes about it in such an irritable way. But in her mind it probably feels right.
I will add I think is the worst appearance of Mrs Green in Friends. In the episode with Carol and Susan's wedding I do think she's quite nice and really adds to the episode but in this one it's like a whole different person. She had a right to be annoyed about the invite but she is really snide throughout.
I just dislike this episode in general.”
I dislike the baby shower part of the episode.
But the other half is great, as the girls are at the baby shower, the 'B' story is the guys helping Joey audition for a new game show called Bamboozle, by playing the game.
It is utterly crazy, yet hilarious.
Originally Posted by Paul Wilson:
“Watching the finale at the weekend was interesting, the first time I've seen it in years. I stand by it was pretty good, but what were the writers thinking with Monica in that episode? Everybody else got a nice wrap up. Monica - apart from the babies - got to pull apart the foosball table with her bare hands - what was her motivation for that? Why did she enjoy it so much? Smacks of jealousy of Joey and Chandlers friendship, and even if it wasn't was very unpleasant. Even at the end with paying the delivery guy to 'accidentally drop' the big white dog because she didn't like it. Wonder if Courtney Cox was less than thrilled when she first read the script. Yes, Monica could be unpleasant - they all could - but it was a real pity they did that to her for the finale.
Also interesting was how much they were obviously, and genuinely going to miss the show and each other. Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudrow in particular in the final scene did not appear to be acting.”
“Watching the finale at the weekend was interesting, the first time I've seen it in years. I stand by it was pretty good, but what were the writers thinking with Monica in that episode? Everybody else got a nice wrap up. Monica - apart from the babies - got to pull apart the foosball table with her bare hands - what was her motivation for that? Why did she enjoy it so much? Smacks of jealousy of Joey and Chandlers friendship, and even if it wasn't was very unpleasant. Even at the end with paying the delivery guy to 'accidentally drop' the big white dog because she didn't like it. Wonder if Courtney Cox was less than thrilled when she first read the script. Yes, Monica could be unpleasant - they all could - but it was a real pity they did that to her for the finale.
Also interesting was how much they were obviously, and genuinely going to miss the show and each other. Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudrow in particular in the final scene did not appear to be acting.”
Monica's jealousy of Joey and Chandler's friendship was shown when she got upset about Rachel not being emotional enough about moving out
Originally Posted by djfunnyman:
“Monica's jealousy of Joey and Chandler's friendship was shown when she got upset about Rachel not being emotional enough about moving out”
“Monica's jealousy of Joey and Chandler's friendship was shown when she got upset about Rachel not being emotional enough about moving out”
When it comes to Monica ripping apart the football table, I took it more as a joke about the role reversal of the men who are almost weepy over an object holding nostalgic memories - and it's the woman who just views it as a thing.
Plus, the scene played into the 'Monica is freakishly strong' thing that had been mentioned over the seasons. She didn't even need tools for most of it!
And we have seen her play that football table with the boys - even to the point where she had to be thrown out of the apartment for being so competitive.
Originally Posted by Paul1511:
“I dislike the baby shower part of the episode.
But the other half is great, as the girls are at the baby shower, the 'B' story is the guys helping Joey audition for a new game show called Bamboozle, by playing the game.
It is utterly crazy, yet hilarious.”
“I dislike the baby shower part of the episode.
But the other half is great, as the girls are at the baby shower, the 'B' story is the guys helping Joey audition for a new game show called Bamboozle, by playing the game.
It is utterly crazy, yet hilarious.”
I agree i love that part of the episode "let's play bamboozle"
New one!
In the one with the east German laundry detergent (S1E5) Monica is in the restaurant with Joey and the other couple, she's talking about the underdog balloon floating away from Broadway.
That didn't happen until S1E9 conveniently named "the one where underdog gets away".
Gonna guess they changed the order of episodes. Or Monica has a psychic ability which was never revisited
In the one with the east German laundry detergent (S1E5) Monica is in the restaurant with Joey and the other couple, she's talking about the underdog balloon floating away from Broadway.
That didn't happen until S1E9 conveniently named "the one where underdog gets away".
Gonna guess they changed the order of episodes. Or Monica has a psychic ability which was never revisited
Originally Posted by ScottishWoody:
“New one!
In the one with the east German laundry detergent (S1E5) Monica is in the restaurant with Joey and the other couple, she's talking about the underdog balloon floating away from Broadway.
That didn't happen until S1E9 conveniently named "the one where underdog gets away".
Gonna guess they changed the order of episodes. Or Monica has a psychic ability which was never revisited”
“New one!
In the one with the east German laundry detergent (S1E5) Monica is in the restaurant with Joey and the other couple, she's talking about the underdog balloon floating away from Broadway.
That didn't happen until S1E9 conveniently named "the one where underdog gets away".
Gonna guess they changed the order of episodes. Or Monica has a psychic ability which was never revisited
”
Never noticed!! :I
But yes apparently S1 wasn't actually in order.
Originally Posted by BumbleSquat:
“When it comes to Monica ripping apart the football table, I took it more as a joke about the role reversal of the men who are almost weepy over an object holding nostalgic memories - and it's the woman who just views it as a thing.
Plus, the scene played into the 'Monica is freakishly strong' thing that had been mentioned over the seasons. She didn't even need tools for most of it!
And we have seen her play that football table with the boys - even to the point where she had to be thrown out of the apartment for being so competitive.”
“When it comes to Monica ripping apart the football table, I took it more as a joke about the role reversal of the men who are almost weepy over an object holding nostalgic memories - and it's the woman who just views it as a thing.
Plus, the scene played into the 'Monica is freakishly strong' thing that had been mentioned over the seasons. She didn't even need tools for most of it!
And we have seen her play that football table with the boys - even to the point where she had to be thrown out of the apartment for being so competitive.”
Yep, that's what I thought, I didn't see anything more to it than that.
Monica had "tools" - the one with the messy secret cupboard - so there was a reference to her enjoying manual labour.
Monica being the best worst massager ever, a reference to her strength.
Originally Posted by Ella Nut:
“
Monica being the best worst massager ever, a reference to her strength.”
“
Monica being the best worst massager ever, a reference to her strength.”
argh i hate monica in that episode, she so whiney "im crying here!!"
Originally Posted by L.O.V.E:
“argh i hate monica in that episode, she so whiney "im crying here!!"”
“argh i hate monica in that episode, she so whiney "im crying here!!"
”
Urgh just reading that annoys me, Pathetic
Yea it was a low point
A lot of "Monica/Chandler little relationship niggles" are annoying episodes
"beautiful guest room!"
"sense the tone!"
"joke joke joke" - "bleh bleh bebleh"
It's weird coz for the most part I love Monica and Chandler together but when they're both at the worst could they BE anymore annoying!!!
A lot of "Monica/Chandler little relationship niggles" are annoying episodes
"beautiful guest room!"
"sense the tone!"
"joke joke joke" - "bleh bleh bebleh"
It's weird coz for the most part I love Monica and Chandler together but when they're both at the worst could they BE anymore annoying!!!
Originally Posted by Squealer_Mahony:
“Yea it was a low point
A lot of "Monica/Chandler little relationship niggles" are annoying episodes
"beautiful guest room!"
"sense the tone!"
"joke joke joke" - "bleh bleh bebleh"
It's weird coz for the most part I love Monica and Chandler together but when they're both at the worst could they BE anymore annoying!!!”
“Yea it was a low point
A lot of "Monica/Chandler little relationship niggles" are annoying episodes
"beautiful guest room!"
"sense the tone!"
"joke joke joke" - "bleh bleh bebleh"
It's weird coz for the most part I love Monica and Chandler together but when they're both at the worst could they BE anymore annoying!!!”
Agreed, the other one I found whilst watching the one where they meet pheobe's friends that have adopted. Chandler says "we've gotta get out of here baby"! the way he says baby is so cringey
Just watching the Pilot for the first time in ages. Why does Rachel know where Monica lives? I guess Rachel knew to find Monica at Central Perk from the Flashback episode, but Monica never mentioned that
The slow pace of the episode reminds me of early Seinfeld as a "show about nothing". Phoebe's first line of "Does he eat chalk?" Is a gem
The slow pace of the episode reminds me of early Seinfeld as a "show about nothing". Phoebe's first line of "Does he eat chalk?" Is a gem
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