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I have a gripe with how the ‘we were on a break’ argument played out. In later seasons, it’s played more as ‘whether or not they were on a break’ rather than the fact that they WERE on a break, but Ross basically slept with someone else immediately afterwards.
Anyway, I am totally Team Rachel. What the Rachel-haters tend to ignore is the fact that Ross was horribly paranoid and controlling before they broke up. On their first date, they spend it at the museum because of his work, but then he gets mad at her when her work takes priority! His excuse for sleeping with Chloe is that he thought she was sleeping with Mark, but that was entirely in his own paranoia and Rachel did NOTHING wrong in regards to Mark. |
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I'm after typing my feeling on this twice and it hasn't posted.
I might cry Edit:Have it now |
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My thoughts on "the break" are as follows :
1: Ross didn't think they were on a break when he shagged Chloe. He thought they were broken up. That she was shagging mark right there and then. 2: Rachel didn't think they were on a break. She said "maybe we should take a break" in a moment of sheer exasperation after Ross set her office on fire and wouldn't listen to her, bringing up Mark again when it had nothing to do with him. Its actually insulting: "no Rachel dear you couldn't possibly care about your job, you must be shagging someone. That's all you're good for" no wonder she was pissed off. 3: when Ross wakes up with Chloe and gets Rachels message he's keen to get Chloe out of the house and hide what he's done from Rachel. Surely if they were on a break this isn't a problem? Oh and her shagging Mark the night before? now!! Suddenly he believes her nothing happened!! Why is that...? 4: Ross runs around town covering his tracks. Again, if they were on a break, why does he care what others think? Why should he be bothered if Rachel knows or not, those 12 hours they were supposedly on a break are none of her business right? 5: Ross is super apologetic to Rachel, begging for forgiveness... But she said they should take a break... Why so guilty Ross? 6: when it becomes apparent to Ross that Rachel won't take him back he comes up with the "we were on a break" defence. This is no longer about wanting to be with Rachel but basically wanting to "win" the break up. Rachel wanted the break. It's her fault. He didn't do anything wrong. And that theme continues for the rest of the series. Winning the we were on a break argument becomes more important to both Ross and Rachel than how they actually feel about each other. They could've got back together at the beach house and stayed together but no. Rachel needed him to own up. He needed to still have been on a break. |
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Well to be fair Rachel was being selfish and planning a leaving party for Emily just so she could seduce Joshua.
She'd have probably invited all of Ross's ex girlfriends and school bullies if she thought they'd make up the numbers! And Gunther wouldn't say no to Rachel even if the party was for Ross. I suppose it's no surprise tho that no one calls Gunther on his hatred for Ross I mean look what the gang put up with from Phoebe in later years Another funny moment is when Ross has his vanilla champagne and asks for 6 glasses. The hope and surprise in Gunthers voice when he thinks Ross wants him to join them. Then Ross says no,just 5 glasses. I think it shows the feeling is mutual |
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I have a gripe with how the ‘we were on a break’ argument played out. In later seasons, it’s played more as ‘whether or not they were on a break’ rather than the fact that they WERE on a break, but Ross basically slept with someone else immediately afterwards.
Anyway, I am totally Team Rachel. What the Rachel-haters tend to ignore is the fact that Ross was horribly paranoid and controlling before they broke up. On their first date, they spend it at the museum because of his work, but then he gets mad at her when her work takes priority! His excuse for sleeping with Chloe is that he thought she was sleeping with Mark, but that was entirely in his own paranoia and Rachel did NOTHING wrong in regards to Mark. |
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#2431 |
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Maybe Ross just didn't realise that Joey wasn't there in that scene. But yeah maybe it was like Jerry and Newman's relationship in Seinfeld, as the rest of the group like Newman and in Friends no one else has any problem with Gunther
Gunther says oh you want me to join you? Ross realises Joey is missing then and instead of saying oh sure Gunther join us he tells him no just 5 glasses then,putting Gunther back in his place. If that was Chandler or Joey on realising their mistake they'd stall for a minute and then do a big exaggerated "Oh Of Course we want you to join us!" so I think it's fair to say Ross doesn't think much of Gunther |
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Is that it? Have we mentioned every single gripe? Haha
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I have a gripe with how the ‘we were on a break’ argument played out. In later seasons, it’s played more as ‘whether or not they were on a break’ rather than the fact that they WERE on a break, but Ross basically slept with someone else immediately afterwards.
Anyway, I am totally Team Rachel. What the Rachel-haters tend to ignore is the fact that Ross was horribly paranoid and controlling before they broke up. On their first date, they spend it at the museum because of his work, but then he gets mad at her when her work takes priority! His excuse for sleeping with Chloe is that he thought she was sleeping with Mark, but that was entirely in his own paranoia and Rachel did NOTHING wrong in regards to Mark. I also don't like how the break was handled, but more because Rachel proposed a break, but she didn't say "we are definitely on a break" and she didn't state that "break" meant "we can shag other people". |
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yay the thread is revived
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Here's a gripe from an episode I watched yesterday - in season 9 when Rachel and Phoebe go out for girls night and Ross and Mike are at home. Rachel gives a guy her number - her home number - and he says he will call her later that night if they come across any fun parties. However! If he calls her at home, she'll either not speak to him as she'll still be out having fun, or she will already be at home and probably wouldn't want to go out again. They all have cell phones at this point, so it just bugged me that they would coordinate this silly way of Rachel giving him her number, just so they could weave the storyline of Ross taking the message. All would have been fine if the guy had just said 'can I have your number and give you a call sometime?'
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Is that it? Have we mentioned every single gripe? Haha
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Here's a gripe from an episode I watched yesterday - in season 9 when Rachel and Phoebe go out for girls night and Ross and Mike are at home. Rachel gives a guy her number - her home number - and he says he will call her later that night if they come across any fun parties. However! If he calls her at home, she'll either not speak to him as she'll still be out having fun, or she will already be at home and probably wouldn't want to go out again. They all have cell phones at this point, so it just bugged me that they would coordinate this silly way of Rachel giving him her number, just so they could weave the storyline of Ross taking the message. All would have been fine if the guy had just said 'can I have your number and give you a call sometime?'
At first I assumed, perhaps she had 2 numbers on her card, her mobile and her home number as I find it odd that she'd just pass on a home number, especially with Ross at home. But she seemed to quickly realise when he left that Ross would pick up the phone, which she wouldn't have done if she had her mobile on there because lets be honest, your go to in this day and age (and back then) was to phone a mobile phone to arrange something like that, not a home one. If she had 2 numbers on the card she gave him, she surely would know the guy would phone her on mobile so wouldn't have had that freak-out, "omg he's gone!" |
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I was reading yesterday that 'fan fiction' story, that the reason we dont see or hear much of Ben in the last few series is because Ross lost custody of him. I'm not liking that story at all
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I was reading yesterday that 'fan fiction' story, that the reason we dont see or hear much of Ben in the last few series is because Ross lost custody of him. I'm not liking that story at all
![]() I'm happy to believe that Ross still saw Ben regularly. It's just that we no longer needed to see these scenes because it didn't add to the stories or the humour. |
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This rumour seems to be peddled by people who don't seem to understand that we don't see everything the characters do in a half hour show. I'm happy to believe that Ross still saw Ben regularly. It's just that we no longer needed to see these scenes because it didn't add to the stories or the humour.
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Here's a gripe from an episode I watched yesterday - in season 9 when Rachel and Phoebe go out for girls night and Ross and Mike are at home. Rachel gives a guy her number - her home number - and he says he will call her later that night if they come across any fun parties. However! If he calls her at home, she'll either not speak to him as she'll still be out having fun, or she will already be at home and probably wouldn't want to go out again. They all have cell phones at this point, so it just bugged me that they would coordinate this silly way of Rachel giving him her number, just so they could weave the storyline of Ross taking the message. All would have been fine if the guy had just said 'can I have your number and give you a call sometime?'
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I was reading yesterday that 'fan fiction' story, that the reason we dont see or hear much of Ben in the last few series is because Ross lost custody of him. I'm not liking that story at all
![]() We obviously aren't shown all of what actually happens. Which leads on me to say, what happened Susan? I know she is mentioned in the later seasons eg. when Phoebe goes to the school to see Ben regarding the Sting tickets and she says "oh that would make me Susan" which obviously means Susan is still with Carol. But was the actress doing other stuff? Like to have seen her in the final season. Taking out the "Could have been" episode in S6, the last time we saw Susan in "real time" was in Season 4. Come to think of it... the last time we saw Carol was in S7. Would like to have seen the two of them in the last season at least like we saw Janice. |
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Also just watched a S4 episode and that statues glowing eyes at Joshua's parents house is quite creepy (and it's a goof apparently as in some shots it's not glowing). Not a gripe though.
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Here's a gripe from an episode I watched yesterday - in season 9 when Rachel and Phoebe go out for girls night and Ross and Mike are at home. Rachel gives a guy her number - her home number - and he says he will call her later that night if they come across any fun parties. However! If he calls her at home, she'll either not speak to him as she'll still be out having fun, or she will already be at home and probably wouldn't want to go out again. They all have cell phones at this point, so it just bugged me that they would coordinate this silly way of Rachel giving him her number, just so they could weave the storyline of Ross taking the message. All would have been fine if the guy had just said 'can I have your number and give you a call sometime?'
Or they could've had her forget said phone or pager at home and Ross being the interfering fook he is answered it? But yay thank you for saving the thread Never stop griping folks.. Never!!! |
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I have another gripe.
In the Princess Leia episode, Christina Pickles is credited seconds before we actually see her. So for those watching for the first time, the joke/reveal is somewhat spoiled. |
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I have another gripe.
In the Princess Leia episode, Christina Pickles is credited seconds before we actually see her. So for those watching for the first time, the joke/reveal is somewhat spoiled. |
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More of a general gripe but I "still" cringe at these London episodes. Soooooooo bad. Second only to Frasier for their horrific portrayal of English people.
*shudders* |
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#2448 |
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It really was a turning point for the show
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The fun parties was a ruse to get her number, maybe she was expected phone her machine to check the messages to receive her invite to said fun party. but yea why in God's name didn't she have a mobile phone or even the most American of all a pager?
Or they could've had her forget said phone or pager at home and Ross being the interfering fook he is answered it? But yay thank you for saving the thread Never stop griping folks.. Never!!! |
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I have another gripe.
In the Princess Leia episode, Christina Pickles is credited seconds before we actually see her. So for those watching for the first time, the joke/reveal is somewhat spoiled. |
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