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Are One Direction unpopular within the industry?
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rawr
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“I'm not disregarding them on the basis they are a fun pop act but i'll refer to the Spice Girls again as cheesey frivolous and fun as they were they worked for what they had knew what they were and appreciated it.

My issue with 1D is this media fascination and this attitude they exude that they are not only widely successful but the best British act in years. And considering they have had a pretty easy ride to the top a little graciousness would not go amiss. Yes live it enjoy it but to all intents and purposes they can be little shits and seem to think of themselves as the second musical coming.”

But see, the impression I get from them is that they do work hard for it, they do appreciate it and they're under no illusions that they're the second coming.
gpk
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Yes there are many less talented artists in the world and they know it they are aware of their shortcomings (save for cheryl i dislike her for the same reason) but put yourself in the shoes of someone who has worked damn hard to get to whre they were and have bags of talent yet are overshadowed and snubbed in favour of the latest cash cow i'd be annoyed too.”

i have to say i am shocked at paloma`s outburst to be honest. paloma is really talented, but she`s been shooting her mouth off quite a lot this week and i really like her music. first she has a pop at madonna and now one direction. the thing that shocks me is that she come across a bit arrogant in these instances, a bit big headed. its really none of her business really what madonna charges for her concerts, she doesn't have to pay, if she doesn't want to see her and this incident at the brits seems really unprofessional to me.

Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“Now go to the point of view of those five boys, who are surrounded by industry snobs always slagging them off in the press? I mean EVERYONE seems to have a go at them, off the top of my head, The Wanted, Boy George, Paloma, Jake, Noel, Piers have all had their jibes at them. Don't you think that's a bit overwhelming especially if those same artists are people you actually listening to or even look up to? Now, I'm not saying that they're talented but please put yourself in their shoes and see what it's like for them.

Also, they're more artists in the world with no talent than there are those with. Take Cheryl Cole for example. I don't see any artists criticizing the fact that she ruins every song she's sung. Or take Kesha. No one insults her that she's off key half the time. Or take the Spice Girls and Girls Aloud - most of the members can't even sing! Then you have five boys who can actually (not very well) but at least they can and they do write their own music. So c'mon! Please be fair.

If anything people are basically confirming that these angry artists are simply jealous of their success which is understandable, but nonetheless it is jealousy!”

cheryl doesn't get criticised? she gets far more stick than one direction. actually, all those singers you mention get criticised on vocals fairly frequently.
MrMeatAndPotato
23-02-2013
I find it all amusing. Even Mumford & Sons of all bands are able to take the piss out of One Direction... it's that bad.
jamesisace
23-02-2013
I don't like the way they pretty much had a BRIT award made up for them just so they could get on stage and appease all the fan girls, also the fact that they won it for global success when Adele outsold them worldwide in 2012 was stupid. Maybe that's my issue the fact that they are pandered too a lot

I have no problem with JLS or The Wanted simply as they are treated as they should be: The latest popular boyband. Whereas 1D are treated as though they're the second coming
mr muggles
23-02-2013
I'll say this, One Direction fans come out to defend their band en masse, witness Boy Georges twitter a/c! They're like a pack of jack russels!
SuperDude95
23-02-2013
When did Paloma Faith have a dig at One Direction? I'm sure I read somewhere that she said she liked them especially Niall.
Pumpkin Soup
23-02-2013
Oh wow, Jake Bugg having a go at a pop artist who are popular right now. I'm sure he doesn't know this will get him headlines, poor naive little baby Tw*t.
Servalan
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by jamesisace:
“I don't like the way they pretty much had a BRIT award made up for them just so they could get on stage and appease all the fan girls, also the fact that they won it for global success when Adele outsold them worldwide in 2012 was stupid. Maybe that's my issue the fact that they are pandered too a lot

I have no problem with JLS or The Wanted simply as they are treated as they should be: The latest popular boyband. Whereas 1D are treated as though they're the second coming”

BIB - the award was made up to appease Simon Cowell, who is so deluded that he craves credibility - and ITV, the channel which broadcasts the Brits, is so indebted to Cowell for reviving its fortunes that it would have pushed for 1D to get it.

Have 1D succeeded in cracking the US? Sure - but that's hardly surprising given that they have an international media mogul backing them, with songs bought in from corporate songwriting teams. Hardly the same as Adele, the Beatles, the Clash, Duran Duran or the Police, who used their own musical and songwriting talent to get themselves a profile in the States.
Chris_Bayerstei
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by jamesisace:
“Just thinking as they've had digs from Mumford & Sons, Paloma Faith and Jake Bugg all in the same week. Do you think that 1D aren't really that well liked in the music industry and if so why?”

If you want to be part of the music business you should be able to either sing, write or play an interment, but 1 Direction can't and lack completely musical talent. It's like the were famous sprinters that run the 100 m in 20 s.
Chris_Bayerstei
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“That's all very subjective. I think Bugg has about the same level of talent as a block of wood tap dancing. If anything he's copycat more or less. A #1 album is no indication of success too especially if it dropped like a brick straight after.

I find it odd though how so many people dislike One Direction. What have they done really? Become successful? Is that the only reason why all these artists dislike them?”

If 1 Direction were succesful as models, that would be ok. But if you have no musical talent and you are only succesful because you look cute and have a big marketing department in the back you are hated for a reason. 1 Direction shouldn't be in the music business at all, because their success has nothing to do with music only with looks and marketing.
Semierotic
23-02-2013
One Direction simply aren't worth hating - and I doubt any of these artists slagging them off do. They're just calling 1D what they are - a b(r)and concocted by marketing.
MysteriousOz
23-02-2013
This is the reason I think Harry will be the one to leave and go solo, he seems to be the one who likes the industry and dare I say it thinks he is better than 1D
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“That's all very subjective. I think Bugg has about the same level of talent as a block of wood tap dancing. If anything he's copycat more or less. A #1 album is no indication of success too especially if it dropped like a brick straight after.

I find it odd though how so many people dislike One Direction. What have they done really? Become successful? Is that the only reason why all these artists dislike them?”

they have become successful while being utter shite
Joanne MA
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by mr muggles:
“I'll say this, One Direction fans come out to defend their band en masse, witness Boy Georges twitter a/c! They're like a pack of jack russels!”

I read some of his comments and found him to be a bit pathetic, becoming embroiled in spats with teenage girls when he must be what - nearly 50? It's a bit ridiculous!
Joanne MA
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“This is the reason I think Harry will be the one to leave and go solo, he seems to be the one who likes the industry and dare I say it thinks he is better than 1D”

I think it will be Zayn that leaves first. He seems the one most likely to get fed up being told what to do. Don't know whether he posseses the talent to have any sort of solo career though.
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“Yet they have to realize that their music is not mainstream! They may have bag loads of talent and many music appreciators may love them (I love Laura Mvula for example). However, do you honestly think that the music appreciators in this world outnumber the casual music listeners or the mainstream buyers? It must be annoying to those artists but in the same way 1D must understand they're not rock stars (which I actually don't think they've ever claimed to be), those angry artists have to realize that they're not going to appeal to the huge casual music listener market/mainstream market. Laura probably won't be appreciated for the same reason but she understands her music genre to be something completely new. Jessie Ware understands this too. The rest should accept that too.

And Jake is a newbie so honestly I don't get it. Why is he angry? That One Direction is so successful after two years of being signed and that he isn't within 3 months? What's his reason?

Emeli Sande and Ben Howard have had it incredibly rough on the way up, but I don't see a shred of evidence (in spite of the fact I hate Emeli) that they are angry or vocally bicker about other more successful people.”

while i dont particularly like jake bugg to state he has not been successful is nonsense, his album has gone platinum and he currently has the third biggest selling album of 2013 in the uk with sales of 130 thousand since the start of january
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by AdzPower:
“No, they are liked, the stars you mentioned are just bitter and jealous.”

what would they be jealous of? one direction have no credibility and are shite singers with shite songs, boy george will be rolling in cash after having massive american success in the 80's and having a succesful dj career for the last 20 years, jake bugg has sold over 300 thousand albums and gets half the writing royalties unlike 1d who split the money between 5 and get few writing royalties with that money going to a team of writers and not them, some of 1d get writing royalties from 3 songs out of 13 on their current album ( they get none of the wrting money for any single so far. I imagine 1d are making a fair bit of money but the difference between them and jake bugg wont be that massive
AdzPower
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by robo2:
“what would they be jealous of? one direction have no credibility and are shite singers with shite songs, boy george will be rolling in cash after having massive american success in the 80's and having a succesful dj career for the last 20 years, jake bugg has sold over 300 thousand albums and gets half the writing royalties unlike 1d who split the money between 5 and get few writing royalties with that money going to a team of writers and not them, some of 1d get writing royalties from 3 songs out of 13 on their current album ( they get none of the wrting money for any single so far. I imagine 1d are making a fair bit of money but the difference between them and jake bugg wont be that massive”

One Direction are making a f*ck TONNE of money more than Jake Bugg, he's had a semi-popular album in the UK, 1D have sold millions worldwide and are known in a lot of musical territories. Not to mention have had sold out tours.
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by AdzPower:
“One Direction are making a f*ck TONNE of money more than Jake Bugg, he's had a semi-popular album in the UK, 1D have sold millions worldwide and are known in a lot of musical territories. Not to mention have had sold out tours.”

yep, split between 5, with hardly any writing credits which is half the cash and a massive chunk going to simon cowell and syco, i'm not disputing that they are making more money than jake bugg, but the difference wont be as massive as you think, they wont be getting that much of the tonne of money they make
Joanne MA
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by robo2:
“yep, split between 5, with hardly any writing credits which is half the cash and a massive chunk going to simon cowell and syco, i'm not disputing that they are making more money than jake bugg, but the difference wont be as massive as you think, they wont be getting that much of the tonne of money they make”

If they've got a good deal for themselves on merchandise then that's where they'll be raking it in.
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Joanne MA:
“If they've got a good deal for themselves on merchandise then that's where they'll be raking it in.”

cowell gets a massive cut of everything they do including merchandise
mimicole
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by SuperDude95:
“When did Paloma Faith have a dig at One Direction? I'm sure I read somewhere that she said she liked them especially Niall.”

She didn't have a dig at One Direction, it was about them to a reporter. The reporter had no interest in talking to her yet called her over on the red carpet at the BRITs. They were too interested in where 1D were to care. That's what pissed her off, and rightly so.
PaulBowker
23-02-2013
I just find it quite hilarious that Middle aged musicians and normal people alike get very wound up by five boys with average amounts of talent have more success, fame, money than they'll ever have. For each person who gets in a flap over One Direction another record/tour ticket/piece of merchandise is bought.

Hah. Hah. Hah.
pixiegirl123
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by SuperDude95:
“When did Paloma Faith have a dig at One Direction? I'm sure I read somewhere that she said she liked them especially Niall.”

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...tion-rant.html

To be fair to her, it seems like she is having a go at the press, not at them
Semierotic
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by PaulBowker:
“I just find it quite hilarious that Middle aged musicians and normal people alike get very wound up by five boys with average amounts of talent have more success, fame, money than they'll ever have. .”

No-one's getting angry at them personally. At most they're just commenting on 1D as symptom of something very insidious in the music industry.

Besides, since when was Jake Bugg 'middle aged'?
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