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Are One Direction unpopular within the industry?
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meglosmurmurs
23-02-2013
I think things eventually balance out. There may be some artists who think it's unfair for an act to be spoon-fed their success while they are still struggling to get some exposure. But these artists are probably used to alot of freedom - they probably write their own stuff, wear what they want, say what they want and are a major part of the creative process and use their brains.

1D won't have that. In order to achieve their success they've had to follow a strict set of rules in order to milk their fame as much as possible. They are told what to wear, how to look, what to sing, what to say, how to think, they are even told who they can go out with. Basically anything that can be controlled, is. It's like being back at school, everything is dictated to you.
Not many artists would want to work for Simon Cowell, no matter how much money it would make them.

It's a tough battle for 1D as they are working with people who are not used to artists having any sort of influence in things. Yet if 1D want any kind of longevity or to be remembered they have to start fighting for some control and to make their mark. Or else they are going to remain disposable and be dropped as soon as the money starts faltering and the hype moves on to someone else.
twingle
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“Now go to the point of view of those five boys, who are surrounded by industry snobs always slagging them off in the press? I mean EVERYONE seems to have a go at them, off the top of my head, The Wanted, Boy George, Paloma, Jake, Noel, Piers have all had their jibes at them. Don't you think that's a bit overwhelming especially if those same artists are people you actually listening to or even look up to? Now, I'm not saying that they're talented but please put yourself in their shoes and see what it's like for them.

Also, they're more artists in the world with no talent than there are those with. Take Cheryl Cole for example. I don't see any artists criticizing the fact that she ruins every song she's sung. Or take Kesha. No one insults her that she's off key half the time. Or take the Spice Girls and Girls Aloud - most of the members can't even sing! Then you have five boys who can actually (not very well) but at least they can and they do write their own music. So c'mon! Please be fair.

If anything people are basically confirming that these angry artists are simply jealous of their success which is understandable, but nonetheless it is jealousy!”

But on the other side of the coin there has been plenty of artists who have said they think they are good......Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, Ronnie Wood, Justin Beiber.

I don't think they take them selves too seriously they know they are a pop band not a rock band and they do what it says on the tin. These artists who diss them know they will get column inches and Jake Bugg is a hypocrite he thinks he is is so rock and roll but happy to go to Harry's birthday party and eat his food and drink his alcohol. He also has a girl friend who is one of Nick Grimshaw's *it* crowd so not rock and roll at all
Semierotic
23-02-2013
Stupid question, but can any of them actually play an instrument or pen a song?
Eric_Blob
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Semierotic:
“Stupid question, but can any of them actually play an instrument or pen a song?”

They're pop singers, they're not musicians or song-writers.

So they probably can't play instruments or write a song, but that doesn't matter, it's not part of their job. Why should One Direction write a song when there's dozens of far more talented song-writers willing to write songs for them?

And Jake Bugg needs to diss One Direction for his own sake. The more he disses X Factor singers the more it'll make the rock community like him, and he knows that.
PaulBowker
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Semierotic:
“No-one's getting angry at them personally. At most they're just commenting on 1D as symptom of something very insidious in the music industry.

Besides, since when was Jake Bugg 'middle aged'? ”

I think to be fair that's the point, I don't have a clue who he is. He does sound like a pretentious fool with music that appeals to all the kinds of people who "comment on 1D as symptom of something very insidious in the music industry" on Internet forums though.

I don't understand the philosophy behind disliking a band for taking advantage of being given a chance and just going for it, I also don't really see how something sinister is going on. They release songs, they are marketed, people buy them in exactly the same way Bugg is except of course more people like One Direction therefore they sell more.
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by twingle:
“But on the other side of the coin there has been plenty of artists who have said they think they are good......Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, Ronnie Wood, Justin Beiber.

I don't think they take them selves too seriously they know they are a pop band not a rock band and they do what it says on the tin. These artists who diss them know they will get column inches and Jake Bugg is a hypocrite he thinks he is is so rock and roll but happy to go to Harry's birthday party and eat his food and drink his alcohol. He also has a girl friend who is one of Nick Grimshaw's *it* crowd so not rock and roll at all ”

jake bugg has some talent - he has proved this, one direction do not have any talent except as mediocre singers - i'm not sure what your point is about jake buggs girlfriend? it is fairly standard for rock musicians to go out with it girls - mick jagger - marianne faithful, the beatles, eric clapton, etc etc have all done the same
twingle
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by robo2:
“yep, split between 5, with hardly any writing credits which is half the cash and a massive chunk going to simon cowell and syco, i'm not disputing that they are making more money than jake bugg, but the difference wont be as massive as you think, they wont be getting that much of the tonne of money they make”

http://www.billboard.com/articles/li...13?list_page=1

Enclosed link tells a different story and this is just for USA!
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by PaulBowker:
“I think to be fair that's the point, I don't have a clue who he is. He does sound like a pretentious fool with music that appeals to all the kinds of people who "comment on 1D as symptom of something very insidious in the music industry" on Internet forums though.

I don't understand the philosophy behind disliking a band for taking advantage of being given a chance and just going for it, I also don't really see how something sinister is going on. They release songs, they are marketed, people buy them in exactly the same way Bugg is except of course more people like One Direction therefore they sell more.”

they make crap songs that are forced down our throats their latest red nose abomination is evidence of this, they contribute nothing except more generic pish
PaulBowker
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by robo2:
“they make crap songs that are forced down our throats their latest red nose abomination is evidence of this, they contribute nothing except more generic pish”

It's incredibly easy to ignore songs and musicians you dislike, try it. Furthermore if you happen to come across a song you dislike then let it go over your head, the whole world isn't tailored towards everything you like.

If you're really that annoyed over a charity single and it's credibility I think that reflects more about you than them.
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by twingle:
“http://www.billboard.com/articles/li...13?list_page=1

Enclosed link tells a different story and this is just for USA!”

it tells the same story as me, they made 8 million dollars split between 5, roughly a million quid each , when they had two of the biggest selling albums on the charts and a number of succesful singles, the artists above them on the charts sold less albums and singles but made more money and the likes of toby keith, drake etc dont have to split it with anyone, £1 million quid each isnt much considering they sold more records than justin beiber who made about £10 million for himself - they made 10 times less each than justin beiber in the US despite selling more records and singles, they maybe made 3 million quid each last year from being one of the biggest selling singers in the world last year, jake bugg will probably make around 700 grand in his first year from having moderate success in the uk because he writes his own songs and doesnt have to split the performance money with anyone else
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by PaulBowker:
“It's incredibly easy to ignore songs and musicians you dislike, try it. Furthermore if you happen to come across a song you dislike then let it go over your head, the whole world isn't tailored towards everything you like.

If you're really that annoyed over a charity single and it's credibility I think that reflects more about you than them.”

none of their singles have any credibility and their charity single is done to keep their profile up rather than for any altruistic reasons
PaulBowker
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by robo2:
“none of their singles have any credibility and their charity single is done to keep their profile up rather than for any altruistic reasons”

Surely the same could be said for every person who releases a charity single though? Except that One Direction now seem to be at the hight of their popularity. Regardless it's going to sell by the millions and every penny will go to charity, pretty good deal if you ask me.
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by PaulBowker:
“Surely the same could be said for every person who releases a charity single though? Except that One Direction now seem to be at the hight of their popularity. Regardless it's going to sell by the millions and every penny will go to charity, pretty good deal if you ask me.”

of course you can say that about every charity single, on a purely artistic level every red nose single has been terrible since 1999
PaulBowker
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by robo2:
“of course you can say that about every charity single, on a purely artistic level every red nose single has been terrible since 1999”

Well clearly millions of people disagree. Sorry about that.
Semierotic
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by PaulBowker:
“I think to be fair that's the point, I don't have a clue who he is. He does sound like a pretentious fool with music that appeals to all the kinds of people who "comment on 1D as symptom of something very insidious in the music industry" on Internet forums though.”

Ah, the word 'pretentious', the last resort of nothing argument. I'm no particular fan of Bugg, but a quick listen to his music reveals it to be anything but. In fact it's strikingly simple.

Again: nobody has anything particular against 1D personally. I don't lose sleep over them and, I'm sure, neither do musicians making such comments.
zeze88
23-02-2013
The thing is, there will always be in a situation like that as long as they are manufactured boyband. They need to start ignoring nasty comments and just enjoy what they do. I know it is hard, but they look like pathetic whiny kids when they talk back at everyone who says something negative about them. Take Westlife for example - they have had a lot of nasty things said about them especially from the media and some of the artists, but they never responded to the jibes - if they did, it was always something polite. For instance, when Danny from The Script slagged off Westlife, one member simply said - that saddens me, U2's Bono would never slag off another irish act,

You can respond, but have class while doing it - 1D sound like 12 year olds

Whats worse, when they do that, they fire up their loyal teens who send death threats and swear at every person who says something negative about them.
Eric_Blob
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by Semierotic:
“Besides, since when was Jake Bugg 'middle aged'? ”

To be fair, based on Jake's music you'd think he was middle-aged. Most artists his age don't do music like that.

Not saying it's a bad thing, but realistically people are going to think he's 30+ when they hear his songs.
glyn9799
23-02-2013
I love my pop music and freely admit loving pretty much every cheesy pop act of the past 2 decades However, I cannot stand 1D. They just come across so unlikeable and have really mediocre songs. I can't fathom why out of all the decent pop bands of the past decade it's these guys who are having all the success Their terrible false emotion on their latest video makes me want to hurl.

I'm glad that other artists are saying it as they see it. Particularly Paloma, who has every right to be pissed.
maninthequeue
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by twingle:
“But on the other side of the coin there has been plenty of artists who have said they think they are good......Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, Ronnie Wood, Justin Beiber.

I don't think they take them selves too seriously they know they are a pop band not a rock band and they do what it says on the tin. These artists who diss them know they will get column inches and Jake Bugg is a hypocrite he thinks he is is so rock and roll but happy to go to Harry's birthday party and eat his food and drink his alcohol. He also has a girl friend who is one of Nick Grimshaw's *it* crowd so not rock and roll at all ”

Regarding your two comments:

Firstly, the likes of Macca, Mick Jagger, etc have learnt from past mistakes it is never the smartest thing to slag off a fellow musical act (Macca certainly learnt that in the early 1970s when he dissed David Bowie on a number of occasions, and to this day a number of Bowie fans dislike him because of this; and boy oh boy the backlash Jagger & Richards band had after they tore a strip of U2 in the early mid 1980s meant they weren't forgiven until the 1990s by the music critics), not least as they may go on and become a substantial act. Whilst it shows they appear to be acknowledging the latest flavour of the month, it also means if 1D eventually implode in the next two years like Simon Cowell's last hugely successful boyband (5ive) then fans of 1D might look up Macca's & Jagger's back catalogue when they grow up.

Secondly, re: Jake Bugg, sure he made a great debut album of original songs which is more artistically than what 1D have managed and are likely to ever achieve. Sure he is an outstanding singer/songwriter to watch live; etc but if you start dating Belgravia-born models, and attending fashion events, then your authenticity and indie ideology is rightly going to be called into question.
wise-up
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by zeze88:
“The thing is, there will always be in a situation like that as long as they are manufactured boyband. They need to start ignoring nasty comments and just enjoy what they do. I know it is hard, but they look like pathetic whiny kids when they talk back at everyone who says something negative about them. Take Westlife for example - they have had a lot of nasty things said about them especially from the media and some of the artists, but they never responded to the jibes - if they did, it was always something polite. For instance, when Danny from The Script slagged off Westlife, one member simply said - that saddens me, U2's Bono would never slag off another irish act,

You can respond, but have class while doing it - 1D sound like 12 year olds

Whats worse, when they do that, they fire up their loyal teens who send death threats and swear at every person who says something negative about them.”

Yep they need to be more mature. Although I don't like Jake bugg's attitude, he has a right to have his opinion that he thinks they're terrible, they had no right to tell him off for that, just because they like him doesn't mean he has to like them (Although i believe Jake should let is music do they talking, if he is as good as he clearly thinks he is then he will have success anyway and won't need to resort to slagging off other artists to sell records.) As for the boy George thing, Liam had a right to give his side of the story of him apparently ignoring him and his niece, but he should have done it without mocking his dress sense, resorting to personal insults just makes you look worse and cheapens your argument and him hitting out at the journalist criticising James Corden was ridiculous, he is entitled not to like James Corden, you can't expect to enter the entertainment industry and not get criticised. And as for the wanted arguments a few months back, again, they would have looked better if they had kept a dignified silence or responded in a more classy way like saying something along the lines of our sales speak for themselves etc. I have a wee bit more respect for Harry for keeping quiet. Even when Louis was kicking off about the whole Larry thing which involved him he kept quiet. I mean the boys are not 16 year olds who just were thrown into the spotlight anymore. They are 19+ who have been in the industry nearly 3 years, they have had time and media training to learn how to deal with things in a mature manner, I mean Louis is the oldest and he is the one getting invoved in the most twitter arguments but the youngest Harry is keeping quiet, they need to grow up. When my parents were their age they were married and planning children, not getting involved in petty arguments.
ashtray88
23-02-2013
I agree that it's ridiculous to call One Direction rockstars or compare them to The Beatles. But One Direction are not claiming to be rockstars or comparing themselves to The Beatles. So Jake Bugg attacking One Direction directly for comments they might not necessarily agree with is not really fair. They are right to say that he is only making these comments so he will look cool. I actually think people who like particular bands or music BECAUSE they are indie or "non-conformists" are actually worse than people who only like chart music. Ok, someone might have terrible taste in music, that doesn't make them a bad person. But if you're so insecure that you have to try and make yourself stand out by putting down what is seen as conventional then I think you are just very sad...
PaulBowker
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by ashtray88:
“I actually think people who like particular bands or music BECAUSE they are indie or "non-conformists" are actually worse than people who only like chart music. Ok, someone might have terrible taste in music, that doesn't make them a bad person. But if you're so insecure that you have to try and make yourself stand out by putting down what is seen as conventional then I think you are just very sad...”

Yep, couldn't agree more!

Plus it's these type of people who just have to force their opinions in other people's faces and seem to go that extra mile to make everybody know that THEIR music is the most credible and THEIR music is better than anyone else's, ever.

I've read this forum for a long time never bothering to comment but lately the hate towards One Direction (and I mean genuine hate/nasty comments) has been rediculous, people genuinely do love being awful about them, I can't understand why so many get so upset by five lads who they claim have no talent.
Alrightmate
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“That's all very subjective. I think Bugg has about the same level of talent as a block of wood tap dancing. If anything he's copycat more or less. A #1 album is no indication of success too especially if it dropped like a brick straight after.

I find it odd though how so many people dislike One Direction. What have they done really? Become successful? Is that the only reason why all these artists dislike them?”

I thought that he creates his own material doesn't he?
If so, then wouldn't that make him at least more talented than 1D in that regard?
zeze88
23-02-2013
I think the reason why people hate/dislike 1D is because they are literally everywhere - they are overhyped and definitely overexposed i the media. I mean, in ONE DAY (yesterday) I have seen TEN news about them on DS:

1. Them topping Irish Charts
2. Being dissed by Bugg
3. Them responding to Bugg's comment
4. Paloma Faith 1D comment
5. 1D emotional over Comic Relief Africa trip
6. Thembeing ignored by Mumfords and Sons
7. Them responding to George's diss
8. Them saying they would be criminals hadn't they become successful
9. Styles is Labour supporter
10. That they didn't want to spend money on charity single music video

No wonder people are annoyed - 1D are shoved down the people's throats. Not to mention that their faces are probably plastered all over UK and US...
robo2
23-02-2013
Originally Posted by PaulBowker:
“Well clearly millions of people disagree. Sorry about that.”

millions of people enjoy the xfactor, made in chelsea and other absolute garbage, each to their own but they are ****ing idiots with no taste, each any every cover version red nose single since 99 has been garbage compared to the original recording, the blondie and undertones versions of the songs in the latest 1d trash are far far better
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