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Old 24-02-2013, 13:52
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It's funny because you people are trying to argue One Direction are just after the money completely uninterested in credibility and releasing good music and then saying about how they don't earn anything.

Perhaps they just enjoy singing/entertaining and they are just taking the chances that they've been given like we all do in our individual fields?

I completely don't accept the whole "if you don't write songs you're not talented" argument. Song writing is a separate skill therefore a separate talent and I don't see how artists who don't have this skill are less worthy of being successful? Lots of people can't sing but write amazing songs and they are never discussed saying how they shouldn't be allowed to write for other people so why the other way round?
I have no idea what One Direction are interested in (beyond the obvious ... ) - but it's very obvious that Simon Cowell is interested in: making money out of gullible people, as he always has been, of course - but, now, musical credibility, as well. Which is where the notion that 1D are some kind of major talent becomes rather ridiculous.

The history of pop music is littered with acts who never wrote anything they sung. They may have been as manufactured as hell - the Archies, the Rubettes, Mel & Kim - but they also fronted some great pop singles. If that kind of fame was all that Simon Cowell and, via him, 1D aspired to, fine. But we are being asked to accept them as genuine 'artists' ... when they clearly aren't. Cowell buys in songs for them from corporate songwriters (allowing the group credits for changing a word here and there), lashes their recordings with Autotune and promotes them in a way only he can via his television shows and media connections. Hardly the equivalent of the Beatles, in whose company 1D are now frequently mentioned.

Yes, some people aren't songwriters and make careers out of singing others' material. Fine. But artists like David Bowie, Prince and Stevie Wonder, who have written for others as well as themselves and have extensive bodies of work to show how prolific they are, are inevitably and rightly awarded greater kudos given how much more they bring to the table. They're in a different league to the likes of 1D.

One Direction are a disposable pop act. That's fine. But please let's not pretend they are some major musical force that's going to change the world. That's just a warped fantasy in the deluded head of Simon Cowell.
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Old 24-02-2013, 16:00
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With pleasure.

Foo Fighters
Evanescence
Within Temptation
Green Day
Slash
Ozzy Osbourne
P!nk - A lady who has more talent in 1 strain of her hair, than the whole of 1D.


Those amongst many others worked more harder to get to where they are, than some little boys in a reality TV show.
Well I agree some on your list are very good although sadly Ozzie's voice is shot to bits. But just because you think this is *real* music doesn't make it fact! Music is subjective and there is plenty of room for all. It is very easy to avoid bands/groups/artists you don't like which I frquently do with Mumford and Sons who IMO deserve the *real* bland award but of course that doesn't mean it is fact just my personal taste. Shame you can't see that from your elitist viewpoint
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Old 24-02-2013, 16:56
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I have no idea what One Direction are interested in (beyond the obvious ... ) - but it's very obvious that Simon Cowell is interested in: making money out of gullible people, as he always has been, of course - but, now, musical credibility, as well. Which is where the notion that 1D are some kind of major talent becomes rather ridiculous.

The history of pop music is littered with acts who never wrote anything they sung. They may have been as manufactured as hell - the Archies, the Rubettes, Mel & Kim - but they also fronted some great pop singles. If that kind of fame was all that Simon Cowell and, via him, 1D aspired to, fine. But we are being asked to accept them as genuine 'artists' ... when they clearly aren't. Cowell buys in songs for them from corporate songwriters (allowing the group credits for changing a word here and there), lashes their recordings with Autotune and promotes them in a way only he can via his television shows and media connections. Hardly the equivalent of the Beatles, in whose company 1D are now frequently mentioned.

Yes, some people aren't songwriters and make careers out of singing others' material. Fine. But artists like David Bowie, Prince and Stevie Wonder, who have written for others as well as themselves and have extensive bodies of work to show how prolific they are, are inevitably and rightly awarded greater kudos given how much more they bring to the table. They're in a different league to the likes of 1D.

One Direction are a disposable pop act. That's fine. But please let's not pretend they are some major musical force that's going to change the world. That's just a warped fantasy in the deluded head of Simon Cowell.
In 100% agreement with you here. I don't hate them (despite it seeming like I do in my earlier posts) but what I don't like is how the fans thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread and what's more the fans then saying everyone is crap (and it does happen). My Twitter feed on Wednesday was full of disparaging tweets about anyone who wasn't One Direction at the BRITS like it should have been One Direction's own show or something

Like I said, I don't mind JLS, The Wanted or Little Mix too much as they are very much regarded as acts who are popular now and won't change the world in anyway whereas One Direction are they are NOT The Beatles. Also the argument that they are musicians because "Niall plays guitar" is a load of bollocks: I play guitar and I am certainly no musician. It takes a lot more than just being able to play an instrument well

BIB: I suspect they're just enjoying the ride whilst it lasts, making a bit of money and fulfilling dreams of being popstars/singers. I have no problem with that and damn right they should be if they have the chance. As actual people they seem OK though I imagine there'll be a number of inflated ego's within the group
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Old 24-02-2013, 17:11
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With pleasure.

Foo Fighters
Evanescence
Within Temptation
Green Day
Slash
Ozzy Osbourne
P!nk - A lady who has more talent in 1 strain of her hair, than the whole of 1D.


Those amongst many others worked more harder to get to where they are, than some little boys in a reality TV show.
And they're all a lot more successful and have changed music in some way. I don't see your point. It doesn't matter about hard work if you can't get there. And why you must like an artist's music based off their hard work is unreal. Shouldn't it be about the music?

And do honestly think people are that gullible? Don't you think that's it's more to do with the fact that teenage girls are HUMAN. They're hormonal. They're not going to resist taking their eyes away from 1D. But does thinking they're handsome = buying their records? Nope. All Simon has done is what other record labels have done with Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Rihanna, which is to shove them down our throats. It's been done before, stop having a rant just because they're doing the same. Life's unfair. I'm sure when these artists entered the industry they would realize that the music industry would probably be the most unfair place to work in...but they're all incredibly naive for not thinking that.
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Old 24-02-2013, 18:55
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In 100% agreement with you here. I don't hate them (despite it seeming like I do in my earlier posts) but what I don't like is how the fans thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread and what's more the fans then saying everyone is crap (and it does happen). My Twitter feed on Wednesday was full of disparaging tweets about anyone who wasn't One Direction at the BRITS like it should have been One Direction's own show or something

Like I said, I don't mind JLS, The Wanted or Little Mix too much as they are very much regarded as acts who are popular now and won't change the world in anyway whereas One Direction are they are NOT The Beatles. Also the argument that they are musicians because "Niall plays guitar" is a load of bollocks: I play guitar and I am certainly no musician. It takes a lot more than just being able to play an instrument well

BIB: I suspect they're just enjoying the ride whilst it lasts, making a bit of money and fulfilling dreams of being popstars/singers. I have no problem with that and damn right they should be if they have the chance. As actual people they seem OK though I imagine there'll be a number of inflated ego's within the group
BIB - quite probably ... although their egos will fade into insignificance next to the overinflated monstrosity that is Simon Cowell's misplaced self-importance.
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Old 24-02-2013, 21:13
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Yes they do work very hard at getting their hair right, so they can look pretty for the tweenies. They have been fed by the Cowell silver spoon. they are not real artists, they are autotuned manufactured crap & are an insult to true artists / bands who spend hours on instruments, should it be keyboard / drums / or making their fingers bleed on the guitar, just so they can make a living. The only thing 1D probably spend hours doing, is looking in a mirror. They probably wouldn't even go near a guitar, due to being in fear of breaking a nail.

I cannot stand the majority of boy groups as they are not the genre of music that I listen to, but my little finger has got more respect for the likes of Ronan Keating, Gary Barlow & Robbie Williams, than it will ever have for 1D
LOL!!

But ultimately you are right, this band are a new East17, not the new take That. Their songs are pretty rubbish & will date very quickly.
I can imagine in a years time UnionJwill be pushing them out of the way in the tweenies affections.

Cowell doesnt care as long as the £££ is pouring in. Its a sausage factory to him
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Old 24-02-2013, 21:45
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They have had a pretty easy ride to the top in all honesty...
Jake Bugg, though he seems to be an arrogant little sod, kind of hit the nail on the head with his comments I thought. They aren't rockstars and to be honest they must know they're a bit crap or at least the kind of music they put out may not be down to their individual taste - how many lads their age actually enjoy music like One Direction and Justin Bieber? I don't know any

I'll give them credit for their success as they've done very well and their cover of One Way or Another (though not good) could've been a lot worse - but they will never be like The Beatles. The Beatles have so many songs that will live forever but will people still be singing What Makes You Beautiful 50 years from now? Doubt it. It's a very good pop song but it's nothing all that special...
They have had a fairly easy ride and it's trite to argue otherwise. You make a very good point in referring to lads in general their age liking the sort of music they make and suggesting that they must have some sort of realisation that what they're doing is pretty standard pop/boyband music: It isn't the sort of stuff that is going to have hoards of people singing some 50 years down the line.

I also read one of your other posts referring to the fact that one of the members plays guitar. You said that you also play guitar but it doesn't make you a musician. I can't really argue with that. I too play guitar and piano and would describe my abilities as better than the average amateur. I don't class myself as a musician though either. What I will add is that if the power chords on 'What Makes You Beautiful' are the sort of thing that can be demonstrated as an example of why 1D are making something that is more than just standard boyband/pop music, it's not even worth getting into an argument about it.

The description of the cover of 'One Way or Another' (with a bit of 'Teenage Kicks') is spot on. As a fan of 70s punk and new wave, it is bordering on sacrilege to my ears when I hear it (a sign of the times and that I'm getting old I'm sure ). Hopefully it might result in a few young 'uns getting acquainted with the originals!

Speaking of The Beatles and singles for Comic Relief though, it's fair to say I'd rate Bananarama and Lananeeneenoonoo's cover of 'Help' a lot higher than 1D's effort for this year's Comic Relief single!
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Old 24-02-2013, 22:16
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i uploaded a song from yesterday, the very first show of their World Tour. "I Would" penned by their friend Tom Fletcher from McFly. of course not for everyone's taste but they deliver what it says on the tin.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDP4x_lgWi8
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Old 24-02-2013, 22:54
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i uploaded a song from yesterday, the very first show of their World Tour. "I Would" penned by their friend Tom Fletcher from McFly. of course not for everyone's taste but they deliver what it says on the tin.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDP4x_lgWi8
they do ( generic pop rubbish), I can't say i have liked anything mcfly do, but at least they write their own stuff, as the writer tom fletcher will be getting 5 times as much money from that song as each member of 1d
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:05
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they do ( generic pop rubbish), I can't say i have liked anything mcfly do, but at least they write their own stuff, as the writer tom fletcher will be getting 5 times as much money from that song as each member of 1d

if you're talking monetary gain it might be not as simple as that.


this is a song in the album. we don't know if they'll release it as a single...


as they say for some years now the money won't be much in the record sales anyway but in tours and the attendant merchandise...


and the boys surprisingly are doing so well as well in those departments.


in a way, this is one song amongst many they use as material for that all-important sold out tours they are fortunate enough to actually secure...


so saying tom the writer is profiting more than them may sound simplistic.
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:14
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if you're talking monetary gain it might be not as simple as that.


this is a song in the album. we don't know if they'll release it as a single...


as they say for some years now the money won't be much in the record sales anyway but in tours and the attendant merchandise...


and the boys surprisingly are doing so well as well in those departments.


in a way, this is one song amongst many they use as material for that all-important sold out tours they are fortunate enough to actually secure...


so saying tom the writer is profiting more than them may sound simplistic.
its not that surprising they are doing well in the merchandise and touring department considering their fanbase is mainly girls of school age who in a few years time will be denying they ever liked them. I'll clear up my earlier point, the guy from mcfly will make more money from that song than they will in terms of percentage of album royalties and possible single royalties
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:22
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One Direction

is anagram for

Coin Oriented
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:25
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One Direction

is anagram for

Coin Oriented

and your user name is gold... gold coin oriented...


...wonder what dan brown will weave out of that...
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:32
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Question here, who's the "Justin Timberlake" of this group?
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:36
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Question here, who's the "Justin Timberlake" of this group?

maybe that will have to wait...


boys just signed a 3-year contract with a massive payout for each at the end if they stayed as a group. everybody gets nothing if just one decided to break away from the group before the end of the timeframe.
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:41
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maybe that will have to wait...


boys just signed a 3-year contract with a massive payout for each at the end if they stayed as a group. everybody gets nothing if just one decided to break away from the group before the end of the timeframe.
brilliant, doesn't stop them from being utter shite though does it
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:42
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From what I can tell Zayn will leave first as he just doesn't seem to be enjoying it all, Harry or Liam might decide on a solo career - they would be the Gary Barlow and robbie Williams of the band (but alot more shit) Niall and that total Bellend Louis will cling on for dear life as they haven't got an ounce of talent between them and will be swiftly forgotten in the next few years
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:53
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From what I can tell Zayn will leave first as he just doesn't seem to be enjoying it all, Harry or Liam might decide on a solo career - they would be the Gary Barlow and robbie Williams of the band (but alot more shit) Niall and that total Bellend Louis will cling on for dear life as they haven't got an ounce of talent between them and will be swiftly forgotten in the next few years

gee, please do say, mister, is it this week i need to buy a lottery ticket to win shedloads?
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Old 25-02-2013, 08:06
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They have had a fairly easy ride and it's trite to argue otherwise. You make a very good point in referring to lads in general their age liking the sort of music they make and suggesting that they must have some sort of realisation that what they're doing is pretty standard pop/boyband music: It isn't the sort of stuff that is going to have hoards of people singing some 50 years down the line.

I also read one of your other posts referring to the fact that one of the members plays guitar. You said that you also play guitar but it doesn't make you a musician. I can't really argue with that. I too play guitar and piano and would describe my abilities as better than the average amateur. I don't class myself as a musician though either. What I will add is that if the power chords on 'What Makes You Beautiful' are the sort of thing that can be demonstrated as an example of why 1D are making something that is more than just standard boyband/pop music, it's not even worth getting into an argument about it.

The description of the cover of 'One Way or Another' (with a bit of 'Teenage Kicks') is spot on. As a fan of 70s punk and new wave, it is bordering on sacrilege to my ears when I hear it (a sign of the times and that I'm getting old I'm sure ). Hopefully it might result in a few young 'uns getting acquainted with the originals!

Speaking of The Beatles and singles for Comic Relief though, it's fair to say I'd rate Bananarama and Lananeeneenoonoo's cover of 'Help' a lot higher than 1D's effort for this year's Comic Relief single!
BIB: That seems to be having the opposite of the desired affect unfortunately. A majority of their fans appear to think its better than Blondie's original which is stupid when One Directions version is even worse than the covers done in Glee and The Rugrats Movie
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Old 25-02-2013, 09:08
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BIB: That seems to be having the opposite of the desired affect unfortunately. A majority of their fans appear to think its better than Blondie's original which is stupid when One Directions version is even worse than the covers done in Glee and The Rugrats Movie
Their fans would say that anyway - regardless of whether 1D covered 'Stairway To Heaven', 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' or 'Someone Like You' ...
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Old 25-02-2013, 20:15
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In regards to whether 1D can play instruments, I've always wondered this: can Niall really play the guitar (as in being able to play it professionally and fluently)? Surely he can't be that good if people still think 1D can't play any instrument when he carries his guitar literally everywhere he goes?

I think Liam is the most credible member in the group, both vocally and musically (as far as I know he does play the guitar and piano).
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Old 26-02-2013, 21:05
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...en-howard.html

Interesting
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Old 26-02-2013, 21:19
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I imagine most people from the X-Factor are unpopular within the industry.
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Old 27-02-2013, 01:01
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I imagine most people from the X-Factor are unpopular within the industry.
True. Notice the Brits snubbing Rebecca Ferguson and Leona too, and even Alexandra to an extent. Simon remarked upon this before. It's sad, because Leona (for BL) and Rebecca (for her album) deserved to win.
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Old 27-02-2013, 08:33
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True. Notice the Brits snubbing Rebecca Ferguson and Leona too, and even Alexandra to an extent. Simon remarked upon this before. It's sad, because Leona (for BL) and Rebecca (for her album) deserved to win.
Why should any of them win anything?

They are puppets, singing other people's songs. Which, in itself is fine - but that doesn't mean they deserve any kind of credibility. They shift units off the back of a TV talent show - that's all, and it's hardly a great achievement: many have done it before and been happy to enjoy their 15 minutes of fame without any awards. It's Cowell's ego that wants more - and that's why 1D got their made-up award this year: ITV had to keep him happy.
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