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Old 25-02-2013, 21:55
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Would you consider The biebs as an album or singles artist? I was just looking at his discography and shocked to notice that he has only had 2 number one singles anywhere in the world. Baby in France and Boyfriend in Canada. He's had five top tens in the US and only 3 in the UK. In the US all 3 of his albums have been number one and in the UK they have been three, thirteen, and one.
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:11
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I think now with the whole youtube views can boost your chart position thing he'll get a few number ones now.

I think he's a guilty pleasure to a lot of people so they don't buy his singles, just wait for his albums. Tbh I've only liked Believe so far...its actually really good, his singles are some of the weakest songs on it.
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:14
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There is no doubt that Beiber is one of the most famous people in the world and that he's had a great impact on current popular culture, but actual musical achievement and sales wise he is so far behind his contemporary superstars it's unbelievable. Even more so in the UK where his last album has so far sold only 100,000 copies compared to Katy Perry and Gaga's 900,000+ and the 500,000 Rihanna has sold in three months.

And on whether he is an album or singles artist, well I was surprised that Believe only managed to sell 2.3m in the six months it was on sale in 2012; and as you said he's had only two #1 singles across the whole planet and he's only ever had Baby as a global smash....

Can I say neither and that he's a brand?
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:17
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He has a fantasic fan base. So I don't think it would really bother him if his songs got to number one just as long as they are making people happy.
I know he makes my daughter very happy.
She will be uncontrollable on Saturday.!
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:20
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Only 100k in the UK? That can't be right. Jessie J sold that in preorders and she was a new artist. Hell, Rita Ora had to have sold more than that by now.
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:27
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Only 100k in the UK? That can't be right. Jessie J sold that in preorders and she was a new artist. Hell, Rita Ora had to have sold more than that by now.
Well slightly more actually, but at the end of 2012 (after six months on sale) Believe had sold only 141,700 copies in the UK. Not very superstar like at all really is it? Some people do more than that in a week!
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:34
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Well slightly more actually, but at the end of 2012 (after six months on sale) Believe had sold only 141,700 copies in the UK. Not very superstar like at all really is it? Some people do more than that in a week!
Of course I know he doesn't really have 35 million real people who follow him on twitter, but I can help but wonder, where are even a fraction of them and why are they buying his music?
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:34
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There's a fair bit of smoke and mirrors with Bieber. You'd think he'd been slaying the charts with the way he is/was hyped, when really it's essentially all fan supported success (views, awards, social media, touring, merch etc) with very little support from the public. His hit to hype ratio is majorly off with his defining single being Baby and that was more of a viral meme than a legit smash.

He has good album sales, but nothing spectacular when you look at other male album sellers like Bruno and Buble.

Fair play to him though, he rakes it in like crazy and some of his newer stuff is decent pop. Hopefully he sorts out his attitude though.
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:38
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Oh, I didn't know Believe had done so poorly. Guess he's not an album seller either in reality.
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Old 25-02-2013, 22:40
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There's a fair bit of smoke and mirrors with Bieber. You'd think he'd been slaying the charts with the way he is/was hyped, when really it's essentially all fan supported success (views, awards, social media, touring, merch etc) with very little support from the public. His hit to hype ratio is majorly off with his defining single being Baby and that was more of a viral meme than a legit smash.

He has good album sales, but nothing spectacular when you look at other male album sellers like Bruno and Buble.

Fair play to him though, he rakes it in like crazy and some of his newer stuff is decent pop. Hopefully he sorts out his attitude though.
I agree with you there because it's like if you compare him Britney Spears both one time teen idols and phenomenons. Whereas Britney in her early career never really had huge hit singles in the US she slayed with albums. Beiber he des well but for someone of his stature you would expect him to sell within the realms of Taylor Swift but in reality even in the time of low album sales his closet competitor is Rihanna in terms of pop. So really he does well but not amazing in either.
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Old 25-02-2013, 23:00
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I agree with you there because it's like if you compare him Britney Spears both one time teen idols and phenomenons. Whereas Britney in her early career never really had huge hit singles in the US she slayed with albums. Beiber he des well but for someone of his stature you would expect him to sell within the realms of Taylor Swift but in reality even in the time of low album sales his closet competitor is Rihanna in terms of pop. So really he does well but not amazing in either.
Britney was a teen phenomenon but also a pop phenomenon, whereas Bieber is a teen phenomenon who makes pop music.

I think his music success is above average for a male popster (there isn't exactly much competition there though), but far inferior to the ladies. His fan base excuses the shortcomings though, and will keep him relevant and successful longer than #1's will. As long as they don't grow out of him, of course (they will).
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Old 26-02-2013, 01:13
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I always assumed that the term 'albums artist' referred to the quality of the artist in question's album's, rather than just their ability to sell them. That's how that expression comes across to me anyway, surely 'album seller' would be more apt? Although judging by the responses here seems Bieber is niether anyway!
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Old 26-02-2013, 02:22
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This is a perfect example of why the singles charts are NOT good for determining the "popularity" of certain artists. The singles charts also doesn't represent the popularity of artists like One Direction, Drake, Skrillex, Lana Del Rey, Mumford & Sons and many others at the moment. These artists are all huge right now, but you never see much of them in the charts.

And Taio Cruz, Flo Rida and Pitbull do amazing in the charts, but they're not that popular really.

I'd consider One Direction as album artists too. They seem to do much better with albums than with singles (although they had a couple of UK #1s in the past few months so maybe that's changing now).
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Old 26-02-2013, 10:43
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Well slightly more actually, but at the end of 2012 (after six months on sale) Believe had sold only 141,700 copies in the UK. Not very superstar like at all really is it? Some people do more than that in a week!
I don't know where you got your figures from but I have just read that he sold 374.000 in the 1st week of release.
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Old 26-02-2013, 12:25
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I don't know where you got your figures from but I have just read that he sold 374.000 in the 1st week of release.
I think those figures are the first week US sales for Believe. But, it did take months for Believe to go platinum which is surprising as I thought it would go platinum within two or three weeks considering how hyped up Justin Bieber is.
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Old 26-02-2013, 12:30
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I think those figures are the first week US sales for Believe. But, it did take months for Believe to go platinum which is surprising as I thought it would go platinum within two or three weeks considering how hyped up Justin Bieber is.
I was suprised at this as well. I assumed he would do One Direction (second album) or even Taylor Swift numbers.
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Old 26-02-2013, 12:32
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This is a perfect example of why the singles charts are NOT good for determining the "popularity" of certain artists. The singles charts also doesn't represent the popularity of artists like One Direction, Drake, Skrillex, Lana Del Rey, Mumford & Sons and many others at the moment. These artists are all huge right now, but you never see much of them in the charts.

And Taio Cruz, Flo Rida and Pitbull do amazing in the charts, but they're not that popular really.

I'd consider One Direction as album artists too. They seem to do much better with albums than with singles (although they had a couple of UK #1s in the past few months so maybe that's changing now).
I think the new changes that have been made to the US singles chart (Billboard Hot 100) will represent the popularity of those album artists that you mentioned. US radio have had far too much control and I think its fair that Billboard have included Youtube Views to also determine the overall single chart positions as I think the Billboard Hot 100 chart should show what most people are listening to or what's popular.
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Old 26-02-2013, 12:35
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I was suprised at this as well. I assumed he would do One Direction (second album) or even Taylor Swift numbers.
So did I and I think even his label expected him to open with Taylor Swift numbers. Even HDD predicted him to open with one million, but he didn't.
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Old 26-02-2013, 13:31
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i always thought he was more hype than anything especially UK although what he lacks in albums sales here i`m sure he makes up in tour sales?
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Old 26-02-2013, 17:49
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i always thought he was more hype than anything especially UK although what he lacks in albums sales here i`m sure he makes up in tour sales?
Justin Bieber makes baby music, who buys his music apart from silly little girls? I have never heard his music on any pop radio neither in Europe nor in the US. He is just a media hype, but his music is forgettable, he is no Justin Timberlake, Robbie Williams or the like.
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:13
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Justin Bieber makes baby music, who buys his music apart from silly little girls? I have never heard his music on any pop radio neither in Europe nor in the US. He is just a media hype, but his music is forgettable, he is no Justin Timberlake, Robbie Williams or the like.
Weirdly enough, I think you are right. The only songs I have ever heard on the radio from him are beauty and a beat, and as long as you love me but that one was only once or twice. I never realized that before. I never hear his music on the radio, just TV. This is a US pov, btw
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:15
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I don't know where you got your figures from but I have just read that he sold 374.000 in the 1st week of release.
I don't know where you got your figure from but no.

Mine are from the Official Chart Company and Justin Bieber's Believe sold a total 141,700 in 2012, and 38,115 in it's first week.
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:22
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Justin Bieber makes baby music, who buys his music apart from silly little girls? I have never heard his music on any pop radio neither in Europe nor in the US. He is just a media hype, but his music is forgettable, he is no Justin Timberlake, Robbie Williams or the like.
really i don`t listen to much radio any more but when i did i used listened to KissFM and occasionally if i had to Capital too i always heard his songs on them well (boyfriend & that song he did with Nicki Minaj), but yeah his target audience is young, agree i`ve always thought he was more hype than anything tbh
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:22
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I don't know where you got your figure from but no.

Mine are from the Official Chart Company and Justin Bieber's Believe sold a total 141,700 in 2012, and 38,115 in it's first week.
Their number is from US first week sales. I don't think they caught on that we were referring to the UK.
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Old 26-02-2013, 19:03
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I know that little kiddies love him world wide but I don't even think that he's a singles artist! When was his last top 5?
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