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Old 26-02-2013, 13:35
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It's ridiculous and the fact that it is largely supported by what's played on the radio makes a mockery about it. Many songs with high downloads have failed to chart at or within the top spot, top 10 or even the top 100 due to limited airplay. It's ridiculous. And many songs have had constant weeks at #1 despite not actually being #1 in sales. This chart needs to sort it's self out big time!!! It's not really an achievement for someone like Katy Perry to continuously collect #1 singles on the hot 100 because they were manipulated by it's huge airplay.

now they are adding Youtube views, which is a better representation of what people are listening to than the radio but can be easily manipulated. But it could be a good idea to get more unknown artists into the charts.

So basically what do you think about the charts, and the addition of youtube viewings?
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:22
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is that you tube viewings in the US only then?
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:29
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is that you tube viewings in the US only then?
Yes, UK remains sales based only.
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:35
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I do think it's ridiculous that the US radio is given so much power over the chart. For example that Tamar Braxton released a song that randomly went to number 1 in the US itunes chart. In the UK that would mean it would probably be number 1 or quite close to number 1 on the official chart.But as it had no radio play it only peaked at 57 on the billboard chart..which is a ridiculous difference.

I'm not sure if counting youtube videos will help that much because again the most commercial ones do tend to get more views although I suppose it does at least take away some of the power of the radio executives and gives it back to the consumer...
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:39
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50 Cent's song went to #1 on iTunes there and it got like #27 or something in the official charts.

Billboard including airplay in the charts has really badly hurt R&B and hip hop songs in the past few years to be honest. But now that they've included streaming we've had A$AP Rocky, Macklemore, Justin Timberlake and now Drake and Baauer make the top 10, and Youtube will help that kind of music even more.
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Old 26-02-2013, 19:40
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The inclusion of YouTube views is certainly going to help the likes of Gaga, Rihanna and Katy Perry get even more long lasting US hits, even multiple #1's; and I think this could also get Bieber and Minaj their first American #1's as both get massive video views as well.

They are going to be distinguishing between American views and everyone else aren't they? I mean someone watching a Beyonce video in Australia shouldn't be having any effect on the US chart.
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Old 26-02-2013, 19:53
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The inclusion of YouTube views is certainly going to help the likes of Gaga, Rihanna and Katy Perry get even more long lasting US hits, even multiple #1's; and I think this could also get Bieber and Minaj their first American #1's as both get massive video views as well.

They are going to be distinguishing between American views and everyone else aren't they? I mean someone watching a Beyonce video in Australia shouldn't be having any effect on the US chart.
Yeah, it's easy for them to distinguish which views come from which country. I upload videos to Youtube, and they give you thorough statistics about how many views come from each country (and also stuff like how long the video is viewed for, etc.).
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Old 26-02-2013, 20:10
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Am I the only one who thinks music charts should just be based on sales? There is a video chart for the likes of YouTube views. People rarely buy music videos since we get them free so why not just have YouTube views only count towards the video chart?
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Old 26-02-2013, 21:10
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Am I the only one who thinks music charts should just be based on sales? There is a video chart for the likes of YouTube views. People rarely buy music videos since we get them free so why not just have YouTube views only count towards the video chart?
I think that's the fairest way, that's why I much prefer the UK charts over the Billboard chart. At the end of the day, it's the general public that determine a song's TRUE popularity, we are the ones that are actually spending our hard earned money to buy the songs, why should radios come along and manipulate one song's popularity by snubbing/over-supporting its airplays?
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Old 27-02-2013, 01:09
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The UK and US charts aren't measuring the same thing, which is why they're calculated differently. The UK chart measures sales, the US chart measures popularity (or tries to).

I don't know the best way to measure the popularity of a song, but what I DO know is that sales alone won't give you a very accurate list.
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Old 27-02-2013, 12:52
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The UK and US charts aren't measuring the same thing, which is why they're calculated differently. The UK chart measures sales, the US chart measures popularity (or tries to).

I don't know the best way to measure the popularity of a song, but what I DO know is that sales alone won't give you a very accurate list.
And neither will the radio. The public rarely choose what is played.

YouTube views can be extremely manipulated unless they can figure out a way to register a child pressing play on one track 50 times and only listening to it once.

Streaming is a good addition because it's a paid service (is it, I'm sure it's like a pay monthly thing).

But sales is the only true way to show the popularity of a track, agreed not the most accurate but it's the best possible way. Some tracks despite selling low amounts are massive hits to the public anyway.
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Old 27-02-2013, 21:10
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Sales is NOT the "only true way" to show the popularity of a track. Most people I know have never legally downloaded a song.

If you look at the streaming charts, they're vastly different to the sales charts. The streaming charts in the US have more alternative music in, for example, which you don't see much of in the sales chart (the reason I think being because iTunes is mainly used by females, Spotify is mainly used by males).

You need to use a combination of things to determine "popularity". A sales chart only covers a small proportion of what the overall population is listening to or even downloading.

But I agree with what you say about airplay. Thankfully Billboard have lessened it's importance a bit with the inclusion of streaming now.

And yes, you can pay a monthly fee to use sites like Spotify.

Youtube has ways to stop view counts to videos being spammed. Back before 2007, yes, you could refresh a video infinitely and up its view count (for example with Girlfriend by Avril Lavigne), but Youtube have taken action to prevent that happening years ago.
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Old 27-02-2013, 22:04
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This stupid youtube inclusion's going to really cheapen their charts. 5-10 years ago if someone said "I want to make it in America" you knew they were either setting themselves up for a fall or understandably aiming high if they had the talent to back it up. 5 years from now if someone says they want to make it over there, no-one will care most likely...there I say it people might look at other making it in other countries more positively instead of America being the be all and end all.
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Old 27-02-2013, 23:36
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Billboard including airplay in the charts has really badly hurt R&B and hip hop songs in the past few years to be honest.
Billboard have always included airplay in their charts, it's just streaming (and of course now YouTube) that are a recent addition.

I like the fact that the UK charts are purely sales-based, but it's not like we don't have utter rubbish frequently topping our charts. I do wonder what the charts would look like if we included airplay, I mean many songs get heavily playlisted but don't sell well.
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