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Old 26-02-2013, 14:26
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http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_...s/dmr2013.html

Biggest selling albums of 2012


1 Adele 21 - 8.3

2 Taylor Swift Red - 5.2

3 One Direction Up All Night - 4.5

4 One Direction Take Me Home - 4.4

5 Lana Del Rey Born To Die - 3.4

6 P!nk The Truth About Love - 2.6

7 Rod Stewart Rod Stewart - 2.6

8 Rihanna Unapologetic - 2.3

9 Mumford & Sons Babel - 2.3

10 Maroon 5 Overexposed - 2.2

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Old 26-02-2013, 15:20
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wow!!1D with two albums in there!!
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:47
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I guess Media Traffic was slightly off with the figures as these differ a little...
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:51
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I guess Media Traffic was slightly off with the figures as these differ a little...

Yes, they under estimated Lana Del Rey's sales by 500,000 and Swift's by 1.4 million! But to be fair IFPI's figures are shipped copies and not actual sales to end users.

Adele - 21
XL Recordings - 9,2 million copies
Taylor Swift - Red
Big Machine - 3,8 million copies
One Direction - Up All Night
Syco Music - 3,6 million copies
Lana Del Rey - Born To Die
Stranger / Interscope - 2,9 million copies
One Direction - Take Me Home
Syco Music - 2,9 million copies
Mumford & Sons - Babel
Glass Note / Island - 2,7 million copies
Pink - The Truth About Love
RCA - 2,4 million copies
Justin Bieber - Believe
Island / Def Jam - 2,3 million copies
Coldplay - Mylo Xyloto
Parlophone / Capitol - 2,2 million copies
Maroon 5 - Overexposed
A&M / Octone - 2,0 million copies
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:54
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I'm not really sure who is right

Wasn't it said that Adele sold 9.2 million copies and that 1D latest album has sold 2.9 million sales? That sounds way more accurate than 4.5 million copies - something is definitely weird here.

But you are right - there is a difference between shipments and actual sales, so that might be the reason.
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:55
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It all depends on how much over shipped each album is to be honest.
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Old 26-02-2013, 15:59
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Can easily see Born To Die & Take Me Home shifting 5M+
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Old 26-02-2013, 16:10
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There is quite a big difference with One Direction's sales on Media Traffic and this reported list.

Media Traffic had Take Me Home had sold 2.9m copies in 2012 and a current total as 3.8m, never mind selling 4.4m in 2012 alone! Of course if this is based on shipments that could explain it but then why has Adele lost sales?
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Old 26-02-2013, 17:00
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Media traffic use estimated sales as they don't get reports from every country. There's no way anyone can get an accurate figure for every album's worldwide sales unless they get access to the charts of every one of the 206 countries in the world and manually add their exact figures week on week - almost impossible as many countries don't even have official charts. Even Japan which has had official charts for years does not add itunes sales to its charts, and many small countries only report sales when they are large enough to warrant a shiny disc.

For example, no-one really knows exactly how many copies of "Thriller" have been sold. 30 years on it continues to sell worldwide, but there's no mechanism for all its sales to register somewhere week on week... so we end up with wildly disparate sales figures like 50 million and 65 million.
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:22
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IFPC are generally regarded as far more accurate than MediaTraffic who dont report on all sales and fail to list smaller markets.
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Old 26-02-2013, 18:40
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Can easily see Born To Die & Take Me Home shifting 5M+
One Direction yes but where do you think the 1.6m shipments for Lana is going to come from?
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Old 26-02-2013, 19:33
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media traffic declares their methodology:


http://www.mediatraffic.de/about-us.htm


and they even use IFPC figures to assign points in some countries:



Chart Methodologies
Album-Chart
THE TOP-SELLING ALBUMS ACCORDING TO GLOBAL SALES DATA AND NATIONAL ALBUM-CHARTS
OFFICIAL NATIONAL CHARTS FROM USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, AND FRANCE WITH REAL SALES DATA
OFFICIAL NATIONAL CHARTS FROM CANADA, AUSTRALIA, ITALY, SPAIN, BRAZIL, MEXICO, NETHERLANDS, SWITZERLAND, BELGIUM, SOUTH AFRICA, SWEDEN, AUSTRIA, NORWAY, DENMARK, FINLAND, IRELAND, ARGENTINA, CHILE, COLOMBIA, VENEZUELA, NEW ZEALAND, MALAYSIA, POLAND, PORTUGAL, HUNGARY, CZECH REPUBLIC, SLOVAKIA, GREECE, AND SOUTH KOREA ARE WEIGHTED TO THE SIZE OF ITS MARKETS ACCORDING TO THE LATEST IFPI-STATISTICS
(EXCEPTION: ALBUMS WITH HUGH SALES IN THESE COUNTRIES ARE WEIGHTED HIGHER)
ALBUMS WHICH PLACED IN MOST OR ALL OF OUR MONITORED COUNTRIES, GET ADDITIONAL POINTS FOR COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE NO OFFICIAL CHARTS LIKE RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA, TURKEY ETC.
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Old 26-02-2013, 21:51
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Mediatraffic isn't using actual sales figures except for in the USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, AND FRANCE. The others are simply estimated according to their size of the markets based on the last ifpi-statistics (which change from year to year) AND their chart positions.

Media traffic use estimated sales as they don't get reports from every country. There's no way anyone can get an accurate figure for every album's worldwide sales unless they get access to the charts of every one of the 206 countries in the world and manually add their exact figures week on week - almost impossible as many countries don't even have official charts. Even Japan which has had official charts for years does not add itunes sales to its charts, and many small countries only report sales when they are large enough to warrant a shiny disc.

For example, no-one really knows exactly how many copies of "Thriller" have been sold. 30 years on it continues to sell worldwide, but there's no mechanism for all its sales to register somewhere week on week... so we end up with wildly disparate sales figures like 50 million and 65 million.
Yeah, this.^

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Old 26-02-2013, 21:59
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I'm not really sure who is right

Wasn't it said that Adele sold 9.2 million copies and that 1D latest album has sold 2.9 million sales? That sounds way more accurate than 4.5 million copies - something is definitely weird here.

But you are right - there is a difference between shipments and actual sales, so that might be the reason.
You're a bit strange, trying to put down 1D's sales in every thread possible... Why on earth do the mediatraffic-numbers sound "way more accurate" than the (official) IFPI ones?! Just because Adele has sold a lot more and 1D a lot less? You're just sooo very biased, can't believe it
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Old 26-02-2013, 22:44
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You're a bit strange, trying to put down 1D's sales in every thread possible... Why on earth do the mediatraffic-numbers sound "way more accurate" than the (official) IFPI ones?! Just because Adele has sold a lot more and 1D a lot less? You're just sooo very biased, can't believe it
What is wrong with you people attacking me that I diss 1D?!

For starters 2.9 for 1D sales for their 2nd album IS more accurate because they sold only 616K in the UK by the end of 2012... and they sold 1.62K in the US. So that is about 2 million all together. Do you honestly believe that they sold another 2.5 million albums worldwide when UK and US are one of the biggest music markets out there?

I'm simply doing the math here and I'm NOT dissing 1D sales.

AND AGAIN - IFPI is based solely on SHIPMENTS, not the actual sales - that is a fact. Besides, look at the methodology of Media Traffic, they even include IFPI statistics:

THE TOP-SELLING ALBUMS ACCORDING TO GLOBAL SALES DATA AND NATIONAL ALBUM-CHARTS
OFFICIAL NATIONAL CHARTS FROM USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, AND FRANCE WITH REAL SALES DATA
OFFICIAL NATIONAL CHARTS FROM CANADA, AUSTRALIA, ITALY, SPAIN, BRAZIL, MEXICO, NETHERLANDS, SWITZERLAND, BELGIUM, SOUTH AFRICA, SWEDEN, AUSTRIA, NORWAY, DENMARK, FINLAND, IRELAND, ARGENTINA, CHILE, COLOMBIA, VENEZUELA, NEW ZEALAND, MALAYSIA, POLAND, PORTUGAL, HUNGARY, CZECH REPUBLIC, SLOVAKIA, GREECE, AND SOUTH KOREA ARE WEIGHTED TO THE SIZE OF ITS MARKETS ACCORDING TO THE LATEST IFPI-STATISTICS
(EXCEPTION: ALBUMS WITH HUGH SALES IN THESE COUNTRIES ARE WEIGHTED HIGHER)
ALBUMS WHICH PLACED IN MOST OR ALL OF OUR MONITORED COUNTRIES, GET ADDITIONAL POINTS FOR COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE NO OFFICIAL CHARTS LIKE RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA, TURKEY ETC.


And one more thing - a lot of people here on DS are criticizing 1D and yet, some of you have a problem with me... I have nothing against them, I have said that 100 of times before - I just have the problem of the media who exaggerating their success a lot of times.
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Old 26-02-2013, 22:56
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Mediatraffic is two German guys who add available sales together and estimate the rest in their spare time. The site alone should be fairly indicative of how legit it is. IFPI is an official industry report with info gathered from the labels.

Impressed with Lana's sales. She really held her own all things considered.
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Old 26-02-2013, 23:00
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What is wrong with you people attacking me that I diss 1D?!

For starters 2.9 for 1D sales for their 2nd album IS more accurate because they sold only 616K in the UK by the end of 2012... and they sold 1.62K in the US. So that is about 2 million all together. Do you honestly believe that they sold another 2.5 million albums worldwide when UK and US are one of the biggest music markets out there?

I'm simply doing the math here and I'm NOT dissing 1D sales.

AND AGAIN - IFPI is based solely on SHIPMENTS, not the actual sales - that is a fact. Besides, look at the methodology of Media Traffic, they even include IFPI statistics:

THE TOP-SELLING ALBUMS ACCORDING TO GLOBAL SALES DATA AND NATIONAL ALBUM-CHARTS
OFFICIAL NATIONAL CHARTS FROM USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, AND FRANCE WITH REAL SALES DATA
OFFICIAL NATIONAL CHARTS FROM CANADA, AUSTRALIA, ITALY, SPAIN, BRAZIL, MEXICO, NETHERLANDS, SWITZERLAND, BELGIUM, SOUTH AFRICA, SWEDEN, AUSTRIA, NORWAY, DENMARK, FINLAND, IRELAND, ARGENTINA, CHILE, COLOMBIA, VENEZUELA, NEW ZEALAND, MALAYSIA, POLAND, PORTUGAL, HUNGARY, CZECH REPUBLIC, SLOVAKIA, GREECE, AND SOUTH KOREA ARE WEIGHTED TO THE SIZE OF ITS MARKETS ACCORDING TO THE LATEST IFPI-STATISTICS
(EXCEPTION: ALBUMS WITH HUGH SALES IN THESE COUNTRIES ARE WEIGHTED HIGHER)
ALBUMS WHICH PLACED IN MOST OR ALL OF OUR MONITORED COUNTRIES, GET ADDITIONAL POINTS FOR COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE NO OFFICIAL CHARTS LIKE RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA, TURKEY ETC.


And one more thing - a lot of people here on DS are criticizing 1D and yet, some of you have a problem with me... I have nothing against them, I have said that 100 of times before - I just have the problem of the media who exaggerating their success a lot of times.
Well yes actually they did the figures above are OFFICIAL
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