[SillyBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by Helbore

Unfortunately for Morrisey, nowadays all he does is make crap points in order to gain some publicity. Any credibility he had, he's either long lost, or only ever managed to fool us all into thinking he had in the first place. The guy's a self-obsessed knob.

I find it strange that when he was making so-called controversial statements during the 80s, 90s & 00s you'd hardly ever hear about him in the mainstream media. I think that now suddenly we're all supposed to be in love with the Royal Family again, and he's so anti-royal, that the mainstream press has decided to 'get' him by reporting any barmy thing he says in an attempt to create hatred for him.

Admittedly some of the things he says are a bit barmy, but it's not like he's running to a press agent saying "circulate this piece of wisdom!". Most of the quotes are taken out of context from interviews with small circulation (the 'homosexuals don't kill each other' line of thought developed from a conversation when he was asked about how he felt as a teenager) and blown out of proportion, as though they were proclamations from on high.

The press aren't interested in Morrissey's music or him as an artist, just in how they can smear him. He is lazily referred to as 'a washed-up 80s reject', yet he is constantly touring the entire world to sell-out concerts, but this is never mentioned. A few weeks ago he was seriously ill with a bleeding ulcer, and has now managed to resume a tour which was postponed, but this didn't make the papers (and if it did it was a small mention).

He has been saying some very dumb things recently, but he's also said some very interesting and perceptive things. Which ones do you think get the headlines?

[SunnyMcSunny]

All those people whining about how he can't sing, most of them referring to how he sang 30 YEARS ago in The Smiths.

Personally, I'm a Smiths fan and a fan of his solo stuff and I like his voice in the 80's and his voice now, it has matured very nicely. I also appreciate a lot of the humour in his lyrics, it's too easy for people to lazily label ALL his music as 'droning' and 'miserable' when they haven't even listened to what he's singing.

I have seen him live in the past few years several times. I saw him last year singing full belt over a very loud band, there's no way that anyone with an ear for music and any sense of objectivity who witnessed that could say he can't sing in tune or has a weak voice.

You may not like what he sings, and you may not like him as a person, but what he does sing he sings very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwrmM...PYZKekJCgy60Y0

As for him being gay, I think he is, but it's not of any relevance to me.

[katmobile]

Originally Posted by darkjedimaster

He is an obnoxious Tree hugging vegetable molester that should stick to singing & to stop preaching about animals rights. Animals have the right to be cooked to how I choose before being put on my plate.

You know I was going to argee with saltydog - but you've just justified Morrisey. I'm a veggie too - and yes you have the right to eat animals if you so desire but one of the things Mozza et al do have the right to do is crit you for it - it's the comparisions with a bunch of hapless Scandinavians being slaughtered at a summer camp by a nazi nutter with the meat trade that's beyond the pale.

[Fizgig]

Originally Posted by SunnyMcSunny

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As for him being gay, I think he is, but it's not of any relevance to me.

It wouldn't have relevance if it wasn't for most of his songs being about homosexuality. Eg.

Reel Around the fountain
Handsome devil
This Charming Man
Shoplifters Of the World Unite
I have Forgiven Jesus
Hand In Glove
William It Was Really Nothing
Maladjusted
Pretty Girls Make Graves
Im The End Of The Family Line

You could interpret them in any way you want, like he says, but I'd say most of his songs are about 'someones' painful gay experience. But he will come up with an ulterior meaning when pressed. Such as the meaning for William - "it occurred to me that within popular music if ever there were any records that discussed marriage they were always from the female’s standpoint - female singers singing to women: whenever there were any songs saying ‘do not marry, stay single, self-preservation, etc’. I thought it was about time there was a male voice speaking directly to another male saying that marriage was a waste of time… that, in fact, it was ‘absolutely nothing’.
All in my opinion as a one time fan of course.

[Helbore]

Originally Posted by SillyBoyBlue

I find it strange that when he was making so-called controversial statements during the 80s, 90s & 00s you'd hardly ever hear about him in the mainstream media.

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Admittedly some of the things he says are a bit barmy, but it's not like he's running to a press agent saying "circulate this piece of wisdom!".

Actually, that's exactly what I think is going on. Either he has an agent who is pushing this stuff to the press, or he's intentionally saying stuff that he knows will get him published.

I don't buy the whole "we're all in love with the monarchy," thing. That's just something else the press pushes and not all of Morrissey's rants are about the monarchy anyway.

He courts the controversy and the only way to maintain that is to play ball with the press. Hence the reason it gets reported now, as opposed to when he was younger (ie. he actually meant what he said in the past. Now he just does it for the publicity).

Originally Posted by katmobile

you have the right to eat animals if you so desire but one of the things Mozza et al do have the right to do is crit you for it

...and the meat-eaters similarly have the right to crit Mozza et al for their beliefs, too.

[Conehead]

If starting to look like Les Dawson means you're gay, then I guess he's gay -

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...oncert-001.jpg

[doom&gloom]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jarse

If he ever gives up music, I'm sure he'd get a lot of work as a stand up comedian with his hilariously ill informed statements. I guess he's never heard of Dennis Neilsen, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy etc.

Not to mention Alexander the Great, he conquered the known world!

[wilehelmas]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

Couldn't care less about his sexuality - gay, straight, bi - he's a kn*b of the first order.

My goal in life is to lock him in a cupboard with that other bitter, twisted complainer, Rupert Everett, and see if they have children.

I reckon it's a possibility.

[mr muggles]

Originally Posted by allhitradio

I knew BM and it wasn't nothing I can assure you

Imagine the 'music' they made together

Morrissey always was gay. I remember reading an early SMiths interview where he alluded to being familiar with Peter Dudley (Bert Tilsley) who was an avid cottager himself.

I know someone that worked as a roadie for him a couple of years back and he has a 'penchant' for rough mexicans, one of which was in his band at the time.

God, asexual, how 80's

[ic]

Originally Posted by konebyvax

There has been lots of internet speculation over the years but AFAIK he's never discussed his sexuality in public.

This must be the ONLY thing he hasn't commented on publicly . And who on Earth told him he could sing ?

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by konebyvax

There has been lots of internet speculation over the years but AFAIK he's never discussed his sexuality in public.

Its a shame he doesn't use the same discretion for the other things he rattles on about.

[katmobile]

Originally Posted by Pink Knight

Whats all that business with Billy McKenzie, the now deceased singer of The Associates and The Smiths song, William it was really nothing.
Just good friends ?

I think not - apparently the tragic Mr McKenize towards the end of his life wrote a riposte called "Stephen it was really something".

[katmobile]

Originally Posted by alan29

Gay?
I'd be amazed if that talentless, self-important c*nt managed to get any action at all with another human being.

I'd disagree with talentless and being a C U Next Tuesday hasn't stopped over guys getting laid.

[theonlyweeman]

He's allowed to think what he wants, but he's turned into a parody of animal rights activists, and it's reached the point where he's probably harming his causes more than he's helping them... And his "hetrophobic" statements are just ridiculous.

Part of me wonders if he's doing a Joaquin Phoenix, and this is going to turn out to be some ridiculous mega prank, because that's the only logical explanation for half the crap he spews...

[katmobile]

Originally Posted by Apollo Creed

At some point or other in their lives people realise that The Smiths are the greatest band ever. Some fight against it but deep down we all know it's true.

Love how Johnny Marr is being called technically poor. That's a new low in the self delusion stakes. Just give into them. What's the problem?

Some good points in the second paragraph but really the first has holed your arguement from the off. I've met someone who said they didn't like the Beatles who probably have the most objective claim to being the 'greatest band' because of the sheer range of their material and the large numbers of tunes that people still play, hum and dance to today produced by three songwriters any of which could have supported a half decent band on their own and have all had solo characters of note. - Led Zepelin was a band consisting of four masters of their art and some probably don't like them - and if I was ever to state that everyone loved a band whether they had the guts to admit it or not it would be Abba,none of these are my favourite band that was Nirvana - but some people probably geuninely hate any or all of these bands and such is their right and their taste. Shakespeare was right comparing music to food and music like food is something that everyone has their own unique types that they can't get enough of and they can't bear. I never could get into Interpol as the singer's voice got on my nerves but I would neither dispute their merit or diss the people who loved them.

I liked some The Smiths stuff but to call them undisputed 'the greatest band in the world' is bs - that they are yours is all you say with any credibility.

[katmobile]

Originally Posted by Helbore

Actually, that's exactly what I think is going on. Either he has an agent who is pushing this stuff to the press, or he's intentionally saying stuff that he knows will get him published.

I don't buy the whole "we're all in love with the monarchy," thing. That's just something else the press pushes and not all of Morrissey's rants are about the monarchy anyway.

He courts the controversy and the only way to maintain that is to play ball with the press. Hence the reason it gets reported now, as opposed to when he was younger (ie. he actually meant what he said in the past. Now he just does it for the publicity).



...and the meat-eaters similarly have the right to crit Mozza et al for their beliefs, too.

True - but not to blast him for voicing the opinion you're wrong.

[katmobile]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jarse

If he ever gives up music, I'm sure he'd get a lot of work as a stand up comedian with his hilariously ill informed statements. I guess he's never heard of Dennis Neilsen, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy etc.

One of my mates is gay so I'm not a homophobe but in the spirit of acknowledging that all sexual orientations contain their bad eggs a few members of the SA and Ronnie Kray can be added to the list. Kray was probably a sadist to boot as well.

[Helbore]

Originally Posted by katmobile

True - but not to blast him for voicing the opinion you're wrong.

To be honest, Morrissey isn't exactly diplomatic about how he criticises meat-eaters. Whilst you can argue that two wrongs don't make a right, you have to admit, he brings it all on himself.

[laineylane]

The interview was clearly what Morrissey felt when he was a TEENAGER.
" What political causes mattered most to you back then, and are they still important to you now?"

The interviewer is a teenager . http://observer.com/2012/12/rookies-...uzzfeed-music/
Music This Charming Man: An Interview With Morrissey “My life as a teenager was so relentlessly foul.”

[vauxhall1964]

Originally Posted by peopleschmeople

I always thought of Morrissey as asexual though I think he said he'd had relationships with men and women in the past.

no he's never said that.

[DODS11]

I don't think he's exclusively anything, sexuality-wise.

[doom&gloom]

I can't believe it took until 2013 for Johnny Marr to release a solo album, I mean he was the most talented one who wrote the music, and it's not as if he could sing any worse.

[smudges dad]

Originally Posted by Danny_Smith

Does anyone know if Morrissey is gay?

He is well sexy

What has it got to do with anything? Maybe you want to know if you're in with a chance, otherwise it's none of anyone's business.

[Jon Ross]

Originally Posted by Danny_Smith

Does anyone know if Morrissey is gay?

Morrissey was always rather effeminate and he is unbelievably bitchy. He's also rich, famous and yet has never had a public relationship with a woman.

I'd say do the maths.

Personally, I've always thought he was as obviously gay as, say, Freddie Mercury was. Similarly, there were always questions about Mercury and some people always refused to believe he was actually gay, especially the women who fancied him and didn't want to believe he was gay.

I'm sure the same is true of Morrissey. He just probably doesn't have the sex drive that Mercury had (which of course ended up killing him).

[Declan_Khan]

He went out with Michael Stipe of REM for 3 years.

I think that says enough.