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Old 27-02-2013, 15:19
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Her last song only got to 11 and people on here said it flopped although I suppose getting to number 2 before made the next one harder

Misha B has got to 11 and 9 so far with her songs and people have said on here she is doing really well.

Change your Life by Little Mix only got to 12 yet that wasn't considered a flop.

Not a critiicism of any of them just wondering why they are all judged to different standards
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Old 27-02-2013, 15:22
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Her last song only got to 11 and people on here said it flopped although I suppose getting to number 2 before made the next one harder

Misha B has got to 11 and 9 so far with her songs and people have said on here she is doing really well.

Change your Life by Little Mix only got to 12 yet that wasn't considered a flop.

Not a critiicism of any of them just wondering why they are all judged to different standards
I don't know about Misha B, but Change Your Life was released after the album hence the chart position being lower. It was just meant to generate a little more buzz for the album and was by no means expected to do great.

Amelia hasn't released her album, Shut Up was only available as a single and not many people bought it. Also her first single was a pretty low selling number two.
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Old 27-02-2013, 15:32
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Adding to what chrissy said (which I agree with) While little mix only got to 12 it has been selling consistently and it did help sell the album and has been in the top 40 for a few weeks now, but amelia's dropped down the chart quickly as far as I know, It isn't about peak chart positions, it is about longevity, although a high chart position helps for bragging rights.
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Old 27-02-2013, 15:46
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Little Mix have already proved themselves to not be flops and Change Your Life was an after album single and it STILL did well.

I don't think Misha has that many fans on this forum so people don't talk about her as much but her second single charted higher than her first so she's doing better. Amelia had the potential to be the next Miley Cyrus or as some people say, Katy Perry so she got hyped up a lot but she's had disappointing sales for her second single. People are bound to expect more for her third single.
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:01
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I don't know about Misha B, but Change Your Life was released after the album hence the chart position being lower. It was just meant to generate a little more buzz for the album and was by no means expected to do great.

Amelia hasn't released her album, Shut Up was only available as a single and not many people bought it. Also her first single was a pretty low selling number two.
Chart NUMBERS are no proper indication of sales! You could come #1 and drop to #100 and that would be bad sales. But Amelia's YMBJ stayed at #2 (like Scream and Shout) for quite some time. So YMBJ basically did really well. SU charted at #11 and then dropped rapidly after. Xeno screwed up here because the music vid was released 3 months before! People were bound to get bored. Also there was virtually no PR after her Big Brother BOTS performance which was an acoustic cover too! There was also a lack of Capital coverage, which incontrovertibly shapes the charts.

No one is complaining about Misha because 1) she's doing R&B/hip hop - it's hard to get a #1 in the UK being a female hip hop artist, 2) Her second single did much better than the first, so logically she is on an upward trajectory, 3) no one says she's doing great, but she's not on a downward trajectory like Amelia! 4) Hardly anyone on this forum talks about Misha. It's all about LM. In fact for some reason there are a lot of Janus Devil supporters and they all hate Misha for sending their devil child home (can't see why Misha was way more talented than Janet's pitchy hack-and-slash renditions ever were).

No one is complaining about LM either because 1) There are substantially WAY more LM supporters on this forum than Misha B and Amelia fans, 2) Yes it's a single released after album, and so there was no pressure to do well as everyone who had bought the album wouldn't be buying the single again, and everyone who liked LM would probably have, 3) Stayed at #11 for a couple of weeks, instead of dropping like a brick like SU.

Tbh however, while I agree with the reasoning, post-album release is no excuse for preforming at #11. Emeli has done really well post-album with Clown. Rihanna has done really well post-album with Stay. Leona did so well with Run even though it was post-album. Labyrinth did well too with his post-album releases. Adele's Set Fire to the Rain did really well everywhere even though it was a post-album release. And aren't post-album releases meant to get people buying the album again? DNA didn't sell massively after CYL was released. CYL essentially flopped in that respect actually.

Btw before someone labels me as a Misha fan, I am actually a fan of all three and love all three's music! So don't bother. In fact, I'm probably best placed to know about what's going on with each and make comparisons.
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:03
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Did you not make a similar thread a few weeks ago? And then essentially abandon it when people explained why your comparison was flawed? Regardless, Shut Up had an absolutely appalling chart run, so despite peaking higher than CYL, it's sold much much less overall. Misha's singles' longevity aren't anything to write home about either, but they at least remained top 40 for more than 2 weeks.

I see you've also conveniently omitted LM's previous #1 and #3 singles from the OP.
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:09
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Chart NUMBERS are no proper indication of sales! You could come #1 and drop to #100 and that would be bad sales. But Amelia's YMBJ stayed at #2 (like Scream and Shout) for quite some time. So YMBJ basically did really well.
Err, no it didn't - it stayed a #2 for one week and then fell to something like #8 iirc. Hardly "quite some time."
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:13
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I don't see why all three need to be compared there all out there doing there own thing and there 3 completly different artists so they will appeal to different people there not competting own the show anymore. I would say that as far as Amelia she is releasing songs that don't really suit her they all sound really generic were as Misha and Little Mix so far have released songs that I would have expected them to release when being on the show and songs that suit them.
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:16
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Err, no it didn't - it stayed a #2 for one week and then fell to something like #8 iirc. Hardly "quite some time."
I would appreciate it that you stop nit-picking. If you had continued to read my argument (which is an essay albeit so nobody will ever read it ). I am basically saying Amelia's on a downward trajectory. YMBJ had done way better than SU, so that's why people are talking about Amelia's shortcomings.

I will say this again, so people may actually take the time to read what I have said. I am a fan of all three acts - so maybe my comparison between them would be a little more justified than some other people's.
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:17
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Did you not make a similar thread a few weeks ago? And then essentially abandon it when people explained why your comparison was flawed?
Haha this. You didnt post in it again after the bold happened so have just made the same thread with a slighty different wording
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:19
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I don't see why all three need to be compared there all out there doing there own thing and there 3 completly different artists so they will appeal to different people there not competting own the show anymore. I would say that as far as Amelia she is releasing songs that don't really suit her they all sound really generic were as Misha and Little Mix so far have released songs that I would have expected them to release when being on the show and songs that suit them.
That doesn't matter. They're all different artists yes. But they're competing against each other for chart success, so an analysis into why each one has done better/worse than the others needs to be done. They're also all from the same series of the XF so they've all had arguably the same kind of exposure.
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Old 27-02-2013, 16:24
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That doesn't matter. They're all different artists yes. But they're competing against each other for chart success, so an analysis into why each one has done better/worse than the others needs to be done. They're also all from the same series of the XF so they've all had arguably the same kind of exposure.
There not competting against each other though that's the thing fair enough if they are releasing something on the same week but apart from that I don't see why they really need to be compared . And also they haven't really had the same exposure though yeah they might have done when on the show but not since they have left the Little Mix have had massive exposure even when they are not releasing something which is fair enough and to be expected as they were the winners where as you only really hear about Amelia and Misha when they are releasing a new song .
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Old 27-02-2013, 18:52
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Tbh however, while I agree with the reasoning, post-album release is no excuse for preforming at #11. Emeli has done really well post-album with Clown. Rihanna has done really well post-album with Stay. Leona did so well with Run even though it was post-album. Labyrinth did well too with his post-album releases. Adele's Set Fire to the Rain did really well everywhere even though it was a post-album release. And aren't post-album releases meant to get people buying the album again? DNA didn't sell massively after CYL was released. CYL essentially flopped in that respect actually.
While I agree to some extent that being a post-album single isn't always the excuse, but the examples you used are all massive artists, do you honestly think (in terms of popularity) LM are on the same level as Adele, Rihanna, Emeli Sande, Leona? Also, when they released those singles, they performed on shows that had MASSIVE ratings. I'm not saying what you say is wrong, but I think those comparisons are not fair, what about JLS, Olly, 1D, Cher, etc.? They are all very successful but their post album singles didn't do that well either.
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Old 27-02-2013, 20:38
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Chart NUMBERS are no proper indication of sales! You could come #1 and drop to #100 and that would be bad sales. But Amelia's YMBJ stayed at #2 (like Scream and Shout) for quite some time. So YMBJ basically did really well. SU charted at #11 and then dropped rapidly after. Xeno screwed up here because the music vid was released 3 months before! People were bound to get bored. Also there was virtually no PR after her Big Brother BOTS performance which was an acoustic cover too! There was also a lack of Capital coverage, which incontrovertibly shapes the charts.

No one is complaining about Misha because 1) she's doing R&B/hip hop - it's hard to get a #1 in the UK being a female hip hop artist, 2) Her second single did much better than the first, so logically she is on an upward trajectory, 3) no one says she's doing great, but she's not on a downward trajectory like Amelia! 4) Hardly anyone on this forum talks about Misha. It's all about LM. In fact for some reason there are a lot of Janus Devil supporters and they all hate Misha for sending their devil child home (can't see why Misha was way more talented than Janet's pitchy hack-and-slash renditions ever were).

No one is complaining about LM either because 1) There are substantially WAY more LM supporters on this forum than Misha B and Amelia fans, 2) Yes it's a single released after album, and so there was no pressure to do well as everyone who had bought the album wouldn't be buying the single again, and everyone who liked LM would probably have, 3) Stayed at #11 for a couple of weeks, instead of dropping like a brick like SU.

Tbh however, while I agree with the reasoning, post-album release is no excuse for preforming at #11. Emeli has done really well post-album with Clown. Rihanna has done really well post-album with Stay. Leona did so well with Run even though it was post-album. Labyrinth did well too with his post-album releases. Adele's Set Fire to the Rain did really well everywhere even though it was a post-album release. And aren't post-album releases meant to get people buying the album again? DNA didn't sell massively after CYL was released. CYL essentially flopped in that respect actually.

Btw before someone labels me as a Misha fan, I am actually a fan of all three and love all three's music! So don't bother. In fact, I'm probably best placed to know about what's going on with each and make comparisons.
Amelia Lily YBMJ stayed at at No 2 for 1 week - the next week it had dropped to 8, after 4 weeks it was nearly out of the Top 10 after 8 it was out of the Top 75. The next single took three weeks to completely disappear out of the Top 75. So I dont know what chart you were referring to that YBMJ hung around in, but it certainly wasn't the UK Singles Chart.

I have always thought that Misha B has the most talent out of the lot of them.
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Old 27-02-2013, 21:01
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I think the only REAL chart success from last year's XF is Little Mix's Wings, which is still in the top 100 after 26 weeks, that's nearly 6 months, all others dropped down the chart quite quickly (yes that include LM's last two singles AND their winner single which everyone has already forgotten about).

By the way, does anyone know how many copies has Mercy by Marcus Collins sold? I'm shocked to find out its video hasn't even reached 1 million views yet nearly one year after its release.
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Old 27-02-2013, 21:07
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By the way, does anyone know how many copies has Mercy by Marcus Collins sold? I'm shocked to find out its video hasn't even reached 1 million views yet nearly one year after its release.
Wikipedia shows that his single peaked at #194..So you can guess how much he sold
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Old 27-02-2013, 21:13
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Wikipedia shows that his single peaked at #194..So you can guess how much he sold
Well in general a #200 single would sell about 1k, I was wondering about the total sales since there's no chart-run to be tracked
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Old 27-02-2013, 21:23
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Well in general a #200 single would sell about 1k, I was wondering about the total sales since there's no chart-run to be tracked
My guess would be about no more than 1k but I read somewhere that he still plans second album..that's strange
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Old 27-02-2013, 22:35
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Amelia Lily YBMJ stayed at at No 2 for 1 week - the next week it had dropped to 8, after 4 weeks it was nearly out of the Top 10 after 8 it was out of the Top 75. The next single took three weeks to completely disappear out of the Top 75. So I dont know what chart you were referring to that YBMJ hung around in, but it certainly wasn't the UK Singles Chart.

I have always thought that Misha B has the most talent out of the lot of them.
Did you not read my earlier comment? You have just literally repeated what someone else has said Michelle.

You yourself have pointed out that her first single has done better than her second. That's the point I was trying to make. Quit nitpicking...:yawn:
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