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Old 28-02-2013, 10:56
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http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a461733/windows-phone-grows-240-percent-in-uk-over-past-year.html

seems like good news to me, nothing like a bit of competition.
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Old 28-02-2013, 11:20
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I found this bit very interesting

Dominic Sunnebo, global consumer insight director at Kantar Worldpanel ComTech, said that 17% of new Windows Phone customers have defected from Android, while 26% have come from Symbian, 6% from BlackBerry and just 2% from iOS.
May also fit in with my previous comment that the surge in iPhone 4s sales is users abandoning Android in their droves.
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Old 28-02-2013, 12:17
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Microsoft's strategy of having one GUI (to rule them all) could be working in the medium term - providing they don't suddenly dump WP8 owners like they have done in the past.

I also think the poor OS update support from Android manufacturers is partialy responsible, too often they seem to forget about a phone within months of releasing it, the repeated reports in the media of Android malware will bite Google if they don't get a grip on it quickly.

Having said that my Samsung Galaxy S2 is fine for me although I am impressed with the Nokia Lumia 620 that my nephew bought recently.
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:02
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Best thing i ever did was switching to windows phone 8.
Makes android feel slow and awkward.
I got a lumia 920 , and within a week got my wife the lumia 620.
we were both happy android users up until then.
Forget the lack of apps , thats changing week on week.
Best operating system i've used on a mobile phone full stop.
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:30
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Best operating system i've used on a mobile phone full stop.
Glad it works on a mobile - it routinely is getting totally panned as a desktop OS!!!!
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:43
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I think the 'Modern UI' look is really simple and clear, and works on desktop and mobile. I guess the issue really is making sure that app developers stick with the platform as it feels like iOS and Android have a much bigger app base right now. That is likely just a time thing, but MS need to make it worthwhile for developers to develop...
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:51
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I only know 1 person who has a Windows mobile phone, i did know more but they dumped them late last year and got iphones because the apps they wanted were not made for that platform, and they were never over fond of the interface.
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:54
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Best operating system i've used on a mobile phone full stop.
Interface, not OS. Best interface you've used.

At the OS level MS have heavily restricted what you can do with WP8, whereas back in the good ol' WM days it was ridiculously flexible, with desktop like facilities (which was equally good and bad).

I really do feel that the one interface across their platforms is going to bite them big time - at the very least in the corporate world, the Metro interface is quite ridiculously wrong. I know that you can get back to the traditional start menu, but not without 3rd party assistance or hacking.
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Old 28-02-2013, 14:04
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^^^ opinions, opinions. One could get an impression they are facts.
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Old 28-02-2013, 15:33
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I wonder whether this increase which is starting to take effect now is because people are also seeing Windows 8 on their desktops and laptops and so it gives the feel of a unified OS across computer and phone.

Of course, that theory only works if people like Metro UI on a PC!
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Old 28-02-2013, 15:54
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I do like the Windows phone interface. Android is the one for me though still.
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Old 28-02-2013, 16:11
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^^^ opinions, opinions. One could get an impression they are facts.
Nope, what I'm expressing is fact. Metro is designed squarely for touch screens, tablets, mobiles, etc.

Where I work (telecoms, of all places), moving to the Metro style interface is a massive step backwards in flexibility. I'm only running two (large) displays, regularly need to have the browser, a word document, the developer tools, spreadsheets, etc. open and visible on screen at the same time. Plenty of colleague who are running more displays (our NOC has about 100 desktops with 4 screens).

Metro has its place, and the regular office desktop is not one of them.

Personally don't like the design, but see how it can be attractive on a touch screen. And very definitely welcome its presence in the market - more competition the better.
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Old 28-02-2013, 16:41
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Just think of all those poor people talked into them and stuck with 2 year contracts

IMO this is more a reaction to crappy Android phones. I know a few people who have gone from Android to WP, not a researched concise move but they went to get the upgrade got a good deal and thought it looked ok after a few minutes in the shop and they were already pretty naffed off with Android.
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Old 28-02-2013, 16:47
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I do like the Windows phone interface. Android is the one for me though still.
Try Launcher 8. My wife has this on her Note. Takes a bit too set up but it gives you the WP8 look without any of the disadvantages of the OS.

I was thinking about getting a WP8 device but the lack of Google stuff is a deal breaker. I think WP8 is ideal for those who really want a feature phone as it is so basic. Phones like the Lumia 620 make sense and are nicer than the Android equivalent at that low price. But the Lumia 920 owners must be wondering why they spent all that money on it.
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Old 28-02-2013, 17:23
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But the Lumia 920 owners must be wondering why they spent all that money on it.
Nope - switched from a One X to a 920 and love it. Launcher 8 does not convey the fluency of WP8 compared to android and missed out a lot - I had it installed and tested it compared to my wifes HTC 8S.

WP8 is much more than just a feature phone +
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Old 28-02-2013, 17:37
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I got my Lumia 820 last Autumn and still think its the best smartphone I've ever had. I switched from iPhone as that is really stale, and the iOS6 update was pretty pathetic so made me look elsewhere. I've used Samsung android tablets previously and was very unimpressed with the clunky, cheap interface (although I now use a Tab 2 which is a vast improvement).

For me, the fluidity and different design (instead of icons like Apple and Android) feels more fun and sophisticated. The live tiles make my phone look cool and the fact I can use a Nokia again is the icing on the cake.

I think the only downside is the relative lack of apps. That doesn't bother me as I didn't have a huge amount on my iPhones, and anyway, it is a growing marketplace and will offer a lot more in the near future.

I would not hesitate to recommend a WP to anyone. I think its great.
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Old 28-02-2013, 18:22
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If anything, WP have probably claimed a small number of low-end Android users. I think that the high-end of Android is extremely solid at this stage, so much so that even Apple is having a hard time competing with it.

Android can afford to lose some lower end customers as they are less likely to be in contracts and use their devices to their full capabilities, the mid/high range Android devices are still extremely popular at this stage, I don't think it's really going to affect the platform.

The problem with WP is that, despite their expensive advertising campaigns, which have been running for at least a year, no-one is really interested in the platform. The Lumia 820 and 920 were supposed to be the flagship devices for the platform, yet sales have been so low that they are reluctant to even mention the figures. Contrast that to the Galaxy S3 which is out-selling the iPhone and really I think this is just a minor fluctuation in the market as people change phones/after the Christmas period etc...
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Old 28-02-2013, 18:31
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Nope - switched from a One X to a 920 and love it. Launcher 8 does not convey the fluency of WP8 compared to android and missed out a lot - I had it installed and tested it compared to my wifes HTC 8S.

WP8 is much more than just a feature phone +
Well maybe I should have said "power users would be disappointed". I am pleased you like your 920 and I am sure many will like it. Launcher 8 gives you the simple feel of Metro. And my wife likes it but it seems very old fashioned to me.
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Old 28-02-2013, 19:40
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If you go from 0.001 of the market to 1% thats a 1000% percent increase

W8 is no where near where it wants or expected to be at this stage.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:59
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If you go from 0.001 of the market to 1% thats a 1000% percent increase

W8 is no where near where it wants or expected to be at this stage.
being a late comer to the market, I'm sure even they didn't think they would suddenly become the next big thing overnight. But its steady in the right direction and the phone market is as such that it takes time to convert people, unless you are apple
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:19
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Well maybe I should have said "power users would be disappointed". I am pleased you like your 920 and I am sure many will like it. Launcher 8 gives you the simple feel of Metro. And my wife likes it but it seems very old fashioned to me.
Depends on how you define power users, my One X was rooted, flashed and had a lot of apps on it - does that mean I was a power user? Who knows.

There isn't a massive amount that the 920 can't do that the One X could - except for apps that aren't out yet. I plan to stick with WP8 for now and see how it goes. If it doesn't go well, then there is always the htc One...
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Old 01-03-2013, 22:00
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Android can afford to lose some lower end customers as they are less likely to be in contracts and use their devices to their full capabilities, the mid/high range Android devices are still extremely popular at this stage, I don't think it's really going to affect the platform.

The problem with WP is that, despite their expensive advertising campaigns, which have been running for at least a year, no-one is really interested in the platform. The Lumia 820 and 920 were supposed to be the flagship devices for the platform, yet sales have been so low that they are reluctant to even mention the figures. Contrast that to the Galaxy S3 which is out-selling the iPhone and really I think this is just a minor fluctuation in the market as people change phones/after the Christmas period etc...
No platform can afford to loose people even if they are at the bottom end - think Windows Phone is starting to pick up now that 8 has arrived and get the feeling it will start to make in roads as people start looking about for something different from iOS and Android...will be good to have 3 good choices to have especially as Windows Phone and Android will have a mix of handsets to cater for high and lower end markets.
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Old 01-03-2013, 22:01
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If you go from 0.001 of the market to 1% thats a 1000% percent increase

W8 is no where near where it wants or expected to be at this stage.
If you said Windows Phone in general I'd agree with you as I think MS would have thought it would take off quicker but I think Windows Phone 8 sales are probably where they expected and its doing well.
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Old 01-03-2013, 22:15
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I thought the first Nokia ads were crap but the new ones are really good. They actually show the OS in action which is what they need to do. I would have thought this was obvious.
I really hope this helps turn Nokia around. Everyone had a Nokia once upon a time, they were cool and the easiest to use. Remember the soft keys? Wow, what a cool feature. Motorola's firmware at the time was rubbish in comparison. I remember upgrading to a Razr flip. yeah really cool phone, crap software.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:03
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If you said Windows Phone in general I'd agree with you as I think MS would have thought it would take off quicker but I think Windows Phone 8 sales are probably where they expected and its doing well.
Not a chance .. both Nokia and MS had hoped for far more than this at this point. in some reports show them losing market share in the US over the last quarter.

A whole new os, whole new set of phones resulting in at present around 6% of the market, and of course not all of these phones Nokia's to boot.

The next year is very important for them and they have to keep on top of the game with both nokia and others to get big release handsets.
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