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Old 02-03-2013, 10:21
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Why was Born This Way album so hated among the GP?

I mean its a great album
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:25
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I personally just found a lot of the songs a little weird tbh.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:49
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Hated is a little extreme I think a lot of people just though it was way over hyped and the end product didn't really live up to all the hype. I actually think it's pretty good flawed and little long winded but I thought it was better than her first album which I really don't get the love for but everyone is different.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:06
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I wouldn't say hated i think disappointed and not overly fussed would be more apt.

The album itself is by no means a masterpiece i find it inconsistent and a bit boring in places and some sings do not half drag i see what she was going for she just did not pull it off. Add to that all the hype she threw at it unless it was the album of the decade it was sort of doomed really.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:09
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Best Lady Gaga album tbh
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:10
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It's bland and messy, none of the songs stand out like they did on the other 2 albums, apart from TEOG.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:13
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I really enjoyed the album, loved almost all the songs, my favourites being Edge of Glory, Scheisse, Government Hooker and Americano. Wasn't disappointed by it at all, it had more depth.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:16
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Personally I love it although I wasn't sure about a lot of the album tracks at first, they definitely grew on me though. I think it was quite a big step from The Fame Monster and because she was still touring that album - there wasn't time for her to go away and come back. The change in sound was very surprising, and people weren't tired of TF/TFM sound yet. I don't think the message of BTW helped her - I think she overegged it slightly, but Gaga's never one to do something by halves so if she's got a message you can rest assured she'll get it across in any way she can!

Because her rise had been so fast, and because of the way she presents herself - there are more people waiting to see her fall, and happy to do so. So when BTW didn't sell as much as TF/TFM ( though let's face it, it was hardly a 'flop') everyone was clammering to say she'd lost her touch or whatever.

I for one loved BTW, I think it had some great album tracks like Heavy Metal Lover, Scheisse, BJ/AM and Government Hooker - and put me in the camp that loves Judas and Marry the Night.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:33
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Why is this still being discussed though? The 'BTW' has been over for over a year.

I think the album and the era were slated because when the album was released GaGa was the biggest popstar in the world and people expected her to have her 'Like a Prayer'/ 'Thriller' moment, which she obviously didn't. And throughout the era, she kept hyping things up only for the final results to backfire ('EOG' video, VMA's performance, 'MTN' 26-hour video etc.). I hope she's learnt her lesson.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:35
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Personally i think its her best album...i just wished she clarified her influences a lot more than she did! Because the entire album you can hear so many sounds from different eras of Pop music...there is OODLES of Madonna (inspirational/motivational, conceptually, musically, religiously) and SPringsteen (on the open highway) in there, loads of Bowie allusions and Queen moments, there is some hints at Iron maiden, Kiss, Metallica too a touch of Whitney and MJ in a couple of places...throwbacks to Disco Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder productions, and there are musicall allusions specifically to Judy Garland in terms of campy/bright colour and its like SHE herself rarely acknowledged them which frustrated me the most across the era....when on The Fame she wrote an essay on her influences and it sounded like awful gwen Stefani, Britney, Pussy Cat Doll, New Kids On The Block demos that they rejected many times over and she had to ultimately do...meh!

But i also agree it is FAR from "masterpiece" far from "perfect" but all round its solid and a great inspired album full of different sounds....i also wish DJ White Shadow wasnt such an arse either as some of his work there is really solid....Fernando is the saving grace ultimately!
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:44
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It's not a bad album at all, I think her attitude put people off her if anything. She seemed to get a bit big for her boots and started to believe her own hype and anything less than a 5* record would inevitably mean she was slated. The title track didn't really go down well but sold well based on hype, releasing Hair and EOG as preview tracks didn't work, her performances of Y&I at the VMA'S and MTN at Europe MTV awards were bad and the MTN video was unnecessarily long and boring and the EOG video was horrible. It was an era of overhype and bad decisions
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:43
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I think it's quite a good album but it doesn't really appeal to casual music buyers as much as The Fame/Monster did. I think only the fans would "get" the album and what it was about. I like nearly all the songs on it (including the three bonus tracks). I think the other thing that didn't help was the fact that there was a lot of hype surrounding the album.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:54
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The GP do not care enough about popstars to "hate" an album. They either like the music or they don't.

Considering the undeniably strong sales of BTW, clearly millions of people liked the singles enough to buy it. What they thought of the rest is anyone's guess, we can't know that.

It comes down to taste. Some like BTW, others don't. Nobody is right or wrong.
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Old 02-03-2013, 20:24
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Everything about it just felt very forced.

The wrong first single choice was made, BTW was chosen not for it's genius but instead to be a bit provocative and shocking. Had she started the era with the right song, Edge of Glory, then it would have gone very differently and she would have had massive success imo.

The insane amounts of hype didn't help. Her branding it as world changing was just insanity. There were many people over on Twitter who actually believed that the album cover and the singles (Judas, BTW) were her screwing with her audience and that she had the real album/cover to release in a few weeks....and all this because she made it appear as if she was going to do something amazing. She didn't deliver.

Another problem I had was that the singles preceded the album by about 2-3 months. No idea why they thought that was a good idea.

She's learning from her mistakes this time around it'd appear.
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Old 02-03-2013, 21:02
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I think it's a good album but is poor when you compare it to her previous work. Best songs on the album IMO: The edge of glory, You & I, Judas, Highway Unicorn (Road to Love), Hair, Scheibe and Americano.
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Old 02-03-2013, 21:15
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It did pretty freaking well for an album that was "hated by most of the GP"...
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Old 02-03-2013, 21:58
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I like it a lot. It's a really catchy pop record. I guess I was a little late getting into her because I didn't buy any of her earlier records (I just knew her earlier hits from the radio) so I had nothing to compare it too.
Maybe people were put off by all the hype and high expectations. I think it's a fun catchy pop record, but I'm not sure it's this great artistic statement, but she doesn't have to do that. She can just be a great pop singer.
I like how it has different influences. It has the electronic dance part, but it also has guitars and somewhat of a rock influence. It's not just your run of mill EDM inspired record like a lot of pop these days.
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Old 02-03-2013, 22:24
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Individual tracks are great, but there's a lot of filler and noise on the CD.
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Old 02-03-2013, 22:35
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Individual tracks are great, but there's a lot of filler and noise on the CD.
Agreed at it worst it's wholly inconsistent and messy.
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Old 02-03-2013, 23:08
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I like it a lot. It's a really catchy pop record. I guess I was a little late getting into her because I didn't buy any of her earlier records (I just knew her earlier hits from the radio) so I had nothing to compare it too.
Maybe people were put off by all the hype and high expectations. I think it's a fun catchy pop record, but I'm not sure it's this great artistic statement, but she doesn't have to do that. She can just be a great pop singer.
I like how it has different influences. It has the electronic dance part, but it also has guitars and somewhat of a rock influence. It's not just your run of mill EDM inspired record like a lot of pop these days.
similar wavelength as per, bar a few

but yeah i mean believe it or not i pre-ordered The Fame when Just Dance was out...got it played it and went off it after a month.....then Bad ROmance was out i was like oooh lets try this out..enjoyed Monster far more as i liked the retro 80s Synthpop as opposed to predominant scrappy Pop on The Fame but then by the time Telephone had been out and passed TFM i went off of a fair bit....2010 was a cruddy year initially for me anyroad so i wasnt there for "Pop Appeal" shall we say? But still.....and then the BTW drama came about....but it was a song tht "had familiarity" and thats what made me enjoy it more and more somewhat, Judas at the time i felt was better than BR or PF when they came out and i STILL do...far more "interesting" i feel and i like all the influences...its not a "masterpiece" its not her "critical acclaimed piece" although it did do solidly in response (71% overall on Metacritic) and its initial hype sales plus feedback from her two releases/live promo by album release got it to sell the second fastest selling album by a female solo artist ever (over 215,000 about 3,000 less than Madonnas COADF is very very impressive) so all that is genuinely solid enough....but i do think...like people have said all over the shop (literally) if you were "in on" the hype which I personally never was you may be lead to expect it to be her own "Like A Prayer/Thriller/Sgt Pepper" Pop defining/commercially defining/critically defining/historically defining Pop Moment when in actual fact it was a genuinely good/commercially good/critically good all rounder but nothing truly WOAH....in fact in 2011 Pop standards were pretty solid that whole year with Britneys Femme Fatale (i slightly preferred it for its cohesiveness and it was my album of the summer alongside Friendly Fires Pala and Foster The people Torches) and Beyonces 4 (which surprrised me as i am FAR from a Beyonce fan but the old skool Pop feel i quite enjoyed...gone of it a bit more now in hindsight so rank BTW ahead of it) but yeah.....I dunno i think THAT is a main divide....HARDCORES loved it, newbies were intrigued by it and thats basically IT

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Old 02-03-2013, 23:15
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It didn't meet expectations basically.

She arrived with The Fame which was just excellent, then came Fame Monster and her live performances took her to the top level, she seemed unstoppable, then she released a subpar album, very disjointed, poor single release choices, came across a bit tryhard in the way she tried to back causes (Causes I believe she fully supports and cares about, just a lot of her actions came across almost as just attention seeking, which I don't believe she would have intended) and overall just didn't work at all.

Hopefully releasing full album 3, to a slightly less eager audience will allow it to be put together properly, less rushed, and received as well as TFM or even better.
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Old 03-03-2013, 00:02
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It didn't meet expectations basically.

She arrived with The Fame which was just excellent, then came Fame Monster and her live performances took her to the top level, she seemed unstoppable, then she released a subpar album, very disjointed, poor single release choices, came across a bit tryhard in the way she tried to back causes (Causes I believe she fully supports and cares about, just a lot of her actions came across almost as just attention seeking, which I don't believe she would have intended) and overall just didn't work at all.

Hopefully releasing full album 3, to a slightly less eager audience will allow it to be put together properly, less rushed, and received as well as TFM or even better.
I feel exactly the same. everything of The Fame/The Fame Monster era was brilliant and exciting and everything extended and grew until she topped it with her live performances and ever increasingly lengthy yet brilliant video's.

And then as you said she came back with album that was messy poor single choices pretentious videos and worst of all Joe Calderon and it was all jsut a little too much in the wrong direction.

For someone so hyped as this plethora of musical genius she has yet to match the music to her image in the way Bowie, Springsteen, Bush, Lennox all did before her and BTW further distanced er from all that she was aspiring to be.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:11
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In my opinion, BTW was so hated among the GP because everybody was expecting Gaga to do something like TF or TFM and she didn't and everybody's reaction was "What is this Gaga? This is bad. Go back to your TF era".

They weren't expecting for her to change her style, at least not that early in her career. But even if I'm in a great minority, I will always say that BTW is Gaga's best album (until now). Slightly better that the TFM and much better that TF.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:22
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Her bubble burst and it sounded like it was made on the back of a bus. There are some good songs though but none of them were finished to a nice sounding quality. It was all so cheap! (with a few good hooks). You cant polish a turd by making an 8 min video, she thought she was bigger and better than her fame and abilities.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:39
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It did pretty freaking well for an album that was "hated by most of the GP"...
Some people like to see the world as a black and white place. You either love someone or hate them. Something is either a complete success or a failure.

In reality, no one has a track record of producing albums that all earn the same levels of critical and commercial success.

As you said, it didn't do that badly at all, and I agree, saying it was hated by most of the public is complete hyperbole.
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