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Old 02-03-2013, 21:06
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looking to save up for a new TV mainly to get rid of an old tubed bulky tv and dunno which is the better option led or lcd? the plan is get the new tv as main and move existing tv into the room with the old tv but not sure what the main benefits of one over the other.

I'm looking to get LG mainly because they've never done me wrong when it comes to tv's.
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Old 02-03-2013, 21:12
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ive just bought the Sony KDL-55HX753 LCD/LED backlighting very pleased with it stunning picture & the 3D glasses are rechargeable. My advice stick with Sony or Panasonic
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Old 02-03-2013, 21:18
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yeh should of said I do have a budget of about 300-400 one of the reasons I stick to LG really cheaper but never let me down
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Old 02-03-2013, 21:53
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looking to save up for a new TV mainly to get rid of an old tubed bulky tv and dunno which is the better option led or lcd? the plan is get the new tv as main and move existing tv into the room with the old tv but not sure what the main benefits of one over the other.

I'm looking to get LG mainly because they've never done me wrong when it comes to tv's.
LED TVs are just LCD TVs in drag. They have (on average) better/more even backlighting. that's about it. BUT they tend to be thinner too, just because they can, so there's less room for decent speakers in there and the sound quality may be poorer than an equivalent (but fatter) LCD TV.

Th best brands on average these days tend to be Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, LG, own brands in that rough order (and quality differences tend to be reflected in the price). All IMHO, others may (and some WILL) vary.
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Old 02-03-2013, 22:02
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all led televisions are LCD displays, LED televisions use LEDs as backscreen illumination
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Old 02-03-2013, 22:22
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thanks for all the advice I'm trying to take it all on board lol now that I look into the tv's out there I'm now looking at 3D as well, which then is giving choices of active and passive, already have LG 3d Blu-ray and full sky HD is 3D worth it on tv's?

also were are good places to get bargains on tv's?
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Old 02-03-2013, 22:39
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Getting hard to find TV's that do not used LED back lighting , only very budget or older design TV's still use CCFL ( bit like florescent tubes lighting up the screen )

OP what size screen are you looking to get ?
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Old 02-03-2013, 23:02
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I've got 32" at mo which is doing me fine.... I don't mind going higher seen a 42" for under 400 on richersound clearance LG 42LM3400. which is tempting but don't quite have the money saved up for that sorta payout just yet.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:47
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thanks for all the advice I'm trying to take it all on board lol now that I look into the tv's out there I'm now looking at 3D as well, which then is giving choices of active and passive, already have LG 3d Blu-ray and full sky HD is 3D worth it on tv's?
Absolutely. I've got two LG Cinema 3D (passive) sets, a 2011 LW and a 2012 LM. They are both excellent.
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Old 03-03-2013, 13:14
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LED TVs are just LCD TVs in drag. They have (on average) better/more even backlighting. that's about it.
Quite the opposite, LED generally have less even back-lighting than CCFL, almost all are only edge-lit - very few are backlit as it increases cost and panel thickness.
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Old 03-03-2013, 13:33
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Quite the opposite, LED generally have less even back-lighting than CCFL, almost all are only edge-lit - very few are backlit as it increases cost and panel thickness.
I didn't know that! I'm pretty sure that the last time I looked at LED TVs (quite a while back) they had full panel arrays of LEDs and were supposed to provide better backlighting (at a cost). Things seem to have changed for the worse then, sadly, with cosmetics and cost winning over even illumination, probably sound quality too, GRRR. You can still get full-array LED backlighting though, can you?

Incidentally, I consider it to be mis-selling to describe these things as LED TVs, as they are still LCD. But thank goodness you can still get plasma TVs.
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Old 03-03-2013, 13:56
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the problem I find with LCD/LED sets is that black is not black, it is a kind of dark grey. If you are going for a larger set in the 40 inch range have a look at a plasma, sadly there is only a few companies that produces them now.

3d is a gimmick and a waste of money
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Old 03-03-2013, 14:56
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I didn't know that! I'm pretty sure that the last time I looked at LED TVs (quite a while back) they had full panel arrays of LEDs and were supposed to provide better backlighting (at a cost).
Very few ever did - it's too expensive and two restricting, for minimal gain.

The back-lighting wasn't significantly better either.

I must say I'm amazed how even you can get edgelit panels.


Things seem to have changed for the worse then, sadly, with cosmetics and cost winning over even illumination, probably sound quality too, GRRR. You can still get full-array LED backlighting though, can you?
If you look hard enough you can - but it's not that common.


Incidentally, I consider it to be mis-selling to describe these things as LED TVs, as they are still LCD. But thank goodness you can still get plasma TVs.
Hardly any, and how long will the few manufacturers left (only three) bother with them?.
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Old 03-03-2013, 15:01
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At least another year! Panasonic's new range is due out soon, followed by Samsung. Don't know about LG.
They will probably (hopefully) keep making plasmas until something better comes along - potentially OLED. But I much prefer plasma over lcd.
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Old 03-03-2013, 19:14
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At least another year! Panasonic's new range is due out soon, followed by Samsung. Don't know about LG.
They will probably (hopefully) keep making plasmas until something better comes along - potentially OLED. But I much prefer plasma over lcd.
Me too, decent blacks for a start and none of this refresh problem that LCd have. yes i know things have improved, but you can still see the trails sometimes.


the problem with plasma is that they are a bit heavy on the juice and they weigh a bit more than LCD, but my next Tv will be a plasma.
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Old 03-03-2013, 22:04
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Me too, decent blacks for a start and none of this refresh problem that LCd have. yes i know things have improved, but you can still see the trails sometimes.


the problem with plasma is that they are a bit heavy on the juice and they weigh a bit more than LCD, but my next Tv will be a plasma.
How old is your TV?
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:40
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I would recommend making the sales staff work for their commission before parting with your cash. I bought an LED HDTV a few weeks ago from the local branch of Richer Sounds. I entered the shop with a shortlist of two 40" Samsungs and one 42"LG sets in mind, but I actually came out with a 39" Philips. The reason is as follows. When I arrived, all the sets on display were tuned to Cartoon Network HD, which is no test of a TV's abilities whatsoever. Cartoons look good on anything. I asked the salesman to switch to something more demanding, so he put Sky Sports HD on. Everything still looked good. Then I asked him to show me a standard definition channel (which will account for the bulk of what is available for quite some time, after all). He switched to bog-standard BBC1 and everything suddenly looked ropey, but it also sorted out the men from the boys. Some were definitely ropier than others and only two managed to resolve any of the lines on the presenter's face. One of these was a 1000 Samsung, which was out of my price bracket, and the other was a 379 Philips - the cheapest set of its size in the shop. That was the one I bought. Don't let that put you off. He told me that the signal passed through all manner of switching boxes before reaching the display TVs, which crucifies SD picture quality (HD much less so) and that all of them would show better SD at home. The ploy worked, though. It showed me which two sets had the best SD capability.

It took me a good few hours of twiddling with the settings before I got them right. Manufacturers have an annoying habit of setting their TVs up to look bright under shop lighting conditions, which basically means that everything is turned up far too high. It is trial and error, I am afraid, because the quick start guide supplied with the set is pretty useless. At least there is a reset option that sets everything back to default if you get it wrong, so you can start again. I persevered, however, and the picture is now superb, in both HD and SD. In fact, some of the SD programmes (presumably those shot on HD cameras) look almost as good as their HD equivalents. Even the poorest channels are watchable. I have a TalkTalk YouView box, and that may be partly responsible for the picture quality, but on the odd occasion that I have watched via the set's own tuner, it still looked good.

Final point. LED sets tend to be very thin, which looks stylish, but doesn't leave much room inside the case to fit decent speakers. Those on the Philips are okay, but nothing special. If your budget can stretch to it, add a good sound bar. I got the Yamaha YAS 101 (189 from Richers) and it is excellent.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:41
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:49
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How old is your TV?
5 years old now and it is a plasma, so I don't notice trails on it, but I do notice them on other peoples LCD/LED, even new ones. As I said they are not as bad as older sets but it is still there, even so the blacks are still not black and I can't see them sorting that out with LCD.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:56
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I would recommend making the sales staff work for their commission before parting with your cash.
What commission? Most don't do that these days.

I got a philips Plasma, getting on now, but still works well, sound quality is amazing, even a musician/sound engineer mate was impressed with it.

SD is pretty naff anyway as they have reduced the quality over the years to fit in more crap on Freeview, so any TV even the cheapest ones will look the same as the higher spec ones on Freeview.

Another plasma for me if they still produce them by the time I need a new TV set, other wise I may just get a projector.
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:49
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[quote=noise747;64582011]What commission? Most don't do that these days.[quote]

Okay, their wages.

[quote]SD is pretty naff anyway as they have reduced the quality over the years to fit in more crap on Freeview, so any TV even the cheapest ones will look the same as the higher spec ones on Freeview.[quote]

Not the full story by any means. They have also improved the encoding. Bearing in mind that broadcast quality is not as high as DVD (for SD) or Bluray (for HD) - that is true regardless of platform - the main channels hold up fairly well and the lower bitrate ones are very much at the mercy of the TV's electronics. Whereas an analogue CRT will somewhat mask the broadcast's shortcomings, a digital LED / plasma will display them ruthlessly. That is life, I am afraid and we will have to accept compromises until the majority of Freeview switches over to HD - and that isn't going to happen any time soon. I am pernickety about picture quality and I write as I find. Whether the resultant picture is watchable depends on a number of things: the quality of the scaling engine, the size of the panel and how far away the viewer sits - and that is before you set the thing up properly. If you exercise a bit of common sense, you can circumvent a lot of the shortcomings so many people complain about with Freeview. The TV I bought was the smallest of the ones I looked at (but only by an inch), but it produced the best SD picture - and that was very noticeable in the shop. At home, and not encumbered by switching boxes, it is visibly better again, and the HD is flawless. It is also big enough to look impressive in the room without overwhelming it.

plasma for me if they still produce them by the time I need a new TV set, other wise I may just get a projector.
Enjoy your new telly when the time comes. I think plasmas will be around for a while yet.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:44
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Which they will get paid if they sell anything or not.


Not the full story by any means. They have also improved the encoding. Bearing in mind that broadcast quality is not as high as DVD (for SD) or Bluray (for HD) - that is true regardless of platform -

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I know all of this. they say they have improved encoding, but only to put more junk on and not improve quality
the main channels hold up fairly well and the lower bitrate ones are very much at the mercy of the TV's electronics. Whereas an analogue CRT will somewhat mask the broadcast's shortcomings, a digital LED / plasma will display them ruthlessly. That is life, I am afraid and we will have to accept compromises until the majority of Freeview switches over to HD - and that isn't going to happen any time soon. I am pernickety about picture quality and I write as I find. Whether the resultant picture is watchable depends on a number of things: the quality of the scaling engine, the size of the panel and how far away the viewer sits - and that is before you set the thing up properly. If you exercise a bit of common sense, you can circumvent a lot of the shortcomings so many people complain about with Freeview. The TV I bought was the smallest of the ones I looked at (but only by an inch), but it produced the best SD picture - and that was very noticeable in the shop. At home, and not encumbered by switching boxes, it is visibly better again, and the HD is flawless. It is also big enough to look impressive in the room without overwhelming it.
You really think the main channels hold up well? I think they are awful or they was when I watched them 12 months ago and I doubt much have changed apart from the no doubt lowering the quality again to stuff crap into a over crowded platform.

If it was my Tv as you seem to think then why is it that the quality that I get on SD content on Netflix is better than what I used to get on Freeview? some of the stuff I watch is naff in quality, but then it is old, so I expect that, but other stuff like say New Tricks is far better quality on Netfliks picture wise that I ever remember it on TV. Bearing in mind I am using the same TV, even using the Wii instead of the PS3 the quality is better.

We should not have to circumvent a lot of the shortcomings of Freeview. for goodness sake this system have replaced our analogue system and yet it is to be honest crap compared to analogue, ok there was no widescreen with analogue, but there was no real reason why it could not be done.

sorry, but Freeview as it is is trash, people just put up with it, like the ones who had a analogue Tv set up with pictures that are stretched and they did not notice. Because to be honest most people are almost blind when it comes to quality and this is coming from someone who have to wear specs. if I can notice the difference then surly people with good eye sight should be able to.

the only channel that had decent HD was Channel 4, I saw time team in HD on channel four and was pretty impressed, i have no idea what it is like now mind you. BBC HD is not that great to be honest.

Of cause you will disagree with me, but this is just my opinion on the British TV system, which is naf be it via Dsat or Freeview. If as much effort have been put in getting a decent picture than there have been in putting so much crap on the systems, then maybe things would be better.

Get rid of the naff channels and use the space to up the quality of SD and if there is space left, up the quality of HD.

Enjoy your new telly when the time comes. I think plasmas will be around for a while yet.
Not sure when I will get one, I would have liked another Philips, but they don't make Plasmas any more. It could be next year before I decide unless mine goes belly up in the mean time.

The one thing I have noticed on mine is that I pressed a channel button yesterday and nothing came up, It should have said something about tuning in and not being about to detect a aerial. I turned it off at the mains, left it for a few mins, turned it back on and it was fine. I hope that is not the start of a problem. I am not bothered about the tuner as it is not used anyway, I just use Netflix, but normally if one thing goes something else follows..

I may have to start looking to see what is on the market
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:22
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looking to save up for a new TV mainly to get rid of an old tubed bulky tv and dunno which is the better option led or lcd? the plan is get the new tv as main and move existing tv into the room with the old tv but not sure what the main benefits of one over the other.

I'm looking to get LG mainly because they've never done me wrong when it comes to tv's.
hi there..
to be honest,i have had led,lcd,plasma..
as in detail-plasma,
but in colours=lcd..
but as in brightness-led..
honest truth,i rather have lcd or plasma..
quality pictures in plsma or lcd,
led not great at all..
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Old 04-03-2013, 13:26
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As far as my memory serves, Noise, Philips have not sold plasma TVs for several years now. Netflix ends in an 'x', by the way. I apologise in advance if English is not your first language, or you are dyslexic. If neither of those applies, however... Oh, and when you have actually checked the viewing preferences of 'most people', please feel free to quote your findings.

I have never seen your TV, so cannot comment on how it compares with mine. I simply write as I find. HD on my new TV is excellent and SD - although it varies from channel to channel - is never unwatchable. A friend of mine also has a new flatscreen. We both live within line of sight of the same transmitter, and both have good aerials and cables. His is a 32" Beko. Mine is a 39" Philips. On his, Dave is unwatchable: blurred, poor colours, dreadful. On mine, it is watchable - not brilliant, of course, but watchable. Obviously, my kit is more expensive than his, so it would be reasonable to expect it to produce better results.

The point that I made in my original post was that someone looking for a new TV should actually get out and audition a few for themselves. The shop won't show you how it handles standard definition unless you ask them to - and you should. Modern sets were designed to give of their best in HD, but it may be some time before we have more than a handful of HD channels, given the current financial climate. Consequently, it makes sense to discover how a set handles SD before parting with your cash.
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Old 04-03-2013, 19:27
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hi there..
to be honest,i have had led,lcd,plasma..
as in detail-plasma,
but in colours=lcd..
but as in brightness-led..
honest truth,i rather have lcd or plasma..
quality pictures in plsma or lcd,
led not great at all..
Thanks for feedback still saving money up see what is available looking around 300-400 as budget hopefully can find a bargain.... you never know lol
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