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Gareth Out of Flying
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RhiBi
03-03-2013
It was obvious very early on that he was struggling far, far more than normal. Personally I think it should have been pulled earlier on in the week, either for all of them, to make it level, but for Gareth at least.

What an awful way for Gareth to go out though, he must be so disappointed
ladygardener
03-03-2013
I hope it's nothing too serious that the flying brought on quicker than might have been noticed. Not remembering a routine you've just done is very worrying, that's definitely not motion sickness. I agree with the couple of nurses who've posted, he needs to be checked out at hospital ASAP.
moondew
03-03-2013
Poor Gareth, I really felt for him. It could be an inner ear problem, or even a reaction to the seasick pills he was taking. Even a simple drug like that can have a bad effect on some people. It would explain why he just got worse as the week went on, rather than getting used to the flying as the others had done.
frally
03-03-2013
Originally Posted by moondew:
“Poor Gareth, I really felt for him. It could be an inner ear problem, or even a reaction to the seasick pills he was taking. Even a simple drug like that can have a bad effect on some people. It would explain why he just got worse as the week went on, rather than getting used to the flying as the others had done.”

http://www.macmillan.org.uk/Cancerin...ger_6_Anchor_5
Bluebird69
03-03-2013
I read a comment on Twitter that Gareth has previouly suffered from a minor stroke, so the fact that he had severe headaches and memory loss is very worrying, and no doubt behind the reason for medics pulling him out of the show. He must be gutted, and it's a real shame as he was a very strong skater and I was looking forward to seeing him in the final.

I do hope that Gareth will be OK, and I'm quite shocked at the level of callousness displayed by some posters here.
moondew
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by frally:
“http://www.macmillan.org.uk/Cancerin...ger_6_Anchor_5”

Thanks for the link. I think that those drugs are different from the ordinary travel sickness pills. I was thinking more of dramamine, and that type of thing.

I just looked at a medical site - dramamine can cause dizziness, drowsiness, nausea and vomiting, which is what Gareth was suffering from.
Haggis&Chips
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Bluebird69:
“I read a comment on Twitter that Gareth has previouly suffered from a minor stroke, so the fact that he had severe headaches and memory loss is very worrying, and no doubt behind the reason for medics pulling him out of the show. He must be gutted, and it's a real shame as he was a very strong skater and I was looking forward to seeing him in the final.

I do hope that Gareth will be OK, and I'm quite shocked at the level of callousness displayed by some posters here. ”

Me too.

Gareth has clearly pushed his body to the max throughout this series and has shown a level of grit and determination that has been breathtaking at times. For people here to say such incredibly cruel and spiteful things about someone who is taking part in an entertainment show - for their benefit as viewers - says much more about them.

I suspect that there may be more bad news to follow regarding Gareth's health and hope, if this is the case, that some of these same individuals take some time to pause and consider why they felt the need to express their opinion with such bile.
ABCZYX
04-03-2013
Robin Cousins posted this on Twitter about half an hour after the show finished:

Quote:
“Well definitely not the end we wanted but glad to report @gareththomas14 will be ok but not on the ice for a while.”

thenetworkbabe
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by jerseyporter:
“BIB - I've just said the same on the main show thread. My mum has vertigo, and it came on late in life, with her just not liking 'normal' spinning type things (much like Gareth) before that, but it was obviously lying dormant ready to come out full-blown once it was triggered enough. Gareth being in the harness would have triggered it in him if it's being latent all these years in him. People think vertigo is all about not liking heights, but it's not that at all - it's a balance issue. Like your husband, my mum couldn't even turn over in bed without being sick. She takes medication now when she feels it coming on, but it took a while to get the right dose, so there's no way they could have worked out what's wrong with Gareth AND worked out how to treat it effectively in the two weeks he's been in the harness on DOI. If it is vertigo he'll need looking at more carefully.

As for the medics on the show 'taking care of him',properly, that's only any good if one of them has experience of treating and recognising inner ear/vertigo problems. Many G.P.s misdiagnose vertigo as 'just' motion sickness, so who's to say the DOI medics are going to be any better at identifying what the true problem is in such a short time?

I'd say this is a pretty unusual situation for DOI (potentially being the tool by which someone's latent, by severe, inner ear disease is diagnosed) which goes way beyond the usual 'feeling a bit sick' in the harness, so surely it's only fair that is taken into account in an unusual way beyond 'if he can't do it he should be out on his ear and that's that'?”

No way of knowing what it was. If he's had a previous stroke related to a bloodvessel issue he could have all sorts of issues with blood supply to the brain, how the blood vessels are now configured, postural hypotension, or blood pressure or blood thinning medication, or something loosened moving around in a blood vessel. Its more likely to be something related to something old rather than something new. Which is why you would hope they have sent him somewhere to have a good look at his bloodflow, head and heart..
susie-4964
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Bluebird69:
“I do hope that Gareth will be OK, and I'm quite shocked at the level of callousness displayed by some posters here. ”

Me too, but I think rkid's probably only about 3 years old - I expect he/she will grow up eventually.
rkid
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by susie-4964:
“Me too, but I think rkid's probably only about 3 years old - I expect he/she will grow up eventually. ”

47 actually
susie-4964
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by rkid:
“47 actually ”

Not mentally, I fear.
rkid
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by susie-4964:
“Not mentally, I fear. ”

Oh dear someone doesn't agree with my opinions so starts the personal abuse. Maybe you should look closer to home with regards to growing up
Vodka_Drinka
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Bluebird69:
“I read a comment on Twitter that Gareth has previouly suffered from a minor stroke, so the fact that he had severe headaches and memory loss is very worrying, and no doubt behind the reason for medics pulling him out of the show. He must be gutted, and it's a real shame as he was a very strong skater and I was looking forward to seeing him in the final.

I do hope that Gareth will be OK, and I'm quite shocked at the level of callousness displayed by some posters here. ”

I notice those posters have now disappeared from the thread. Shame on them.
Ignazio
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“Well odd if Colin expressed such surprise at doing so & then concern as he had never choreographed before.

And no I haven't seen the contracts but I am not going around claiming Gareth should have know what he was letting himself in for etc.

I know you did express your sympathy for Gareth earlier & I really feel you should leave it/have left it at that. No need to still try & put any blame for this at Gareth's door.”

I am not blaming Gareth - I'm simply saying that imo he should have taken into account his known reaction to heights and motion before putting himself through what was clearly an extremely distressing experience. Moreover his agent should have scrutinised the contract and asked the relevant questions.

Does this make Gareth blameworthy? No it does not. Does it make him unwise? Yes - as subsequent events proved.

I can understand his hopes that with medication he might stay in control of his condition, but it was very clear throughout the week that no amount of effort would overcome the problem and the coaches should have called in the medics much earlier; certainly before we saw his distressing appearance last night.

I did object to the suggestion that he could perform his 'save me' skate rather than the flying - because the level of the playing field immediately became distorted. Such a 'solution' is akin to an athlete, say a heptathlete/decathlete, competing until the penultimate round and before it takes place a minor injury occurs. The governing body decree "it's not his/her fault so we'll take his/her best performance this season and award points accordingly." With rest and treatment the athlete is able to make the final discipline and ... wins the event!

Would that be fair to the competitors who had performed at every stage of the contest? Hardly.

Clearly Gareth did not ask for the concession and the controversy that the possibility engendered rests purely with the producers.

I think we can say, without fear of contradiction that given a complete performance by all skaters Gareth would have been in the mix for the title; Sadly fate dictated otherwise.

I wish him a speedy recovery
kaycee
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I am not blaming Gareth - I'm simply saying that imo he should have taken into account his known reaction to heights and motion before putting himself through what was clearly an extremely distressing experience. Moreover his agent should have scrutinised the contract and asked the relevant questions.




I wish him a speedy recovery”

I agree up to a point, I would guess that the majority of the DOI celebs have felt the same when they started flying, but as Jayne (or Chris) said, most overcome the feelings as they start to get used to it, and no doubt everyone - Gareth included - thought he would too.

Regrettably there is no real way of knowing how someone will react until they actually "have a go" and clearly there's something in Gareths's physical makeup that prevented him getting used to the sensation enough to cope with it.

Poor lad - like you I wish him a speedy recovery.
Tiger Rose
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I am not blaming Gareth - I'm simply saying that imo he should have taken into account his known reaction to heights and motion before putting himself through what was clearly an extremely distressing experience. Moreover his agent should have scrutinised the contract and asked the relevant questions.

Does this make Gareth blameworthy? No it does not. Does it make him unwise? Yes - as subsequent events proved.

I can understand his hopes that with medication he might stay in control of his condition, but it was very clear throughout the week that no amount of effort would overcome the problem and the coaches should have called in the medics much earlier; certainly before we saw his distressing appearance last night.

I did object to the suggestion that he could perform his 'save me' skate rather than the flying - because the level of the playing field immediately became distorted. Such a 'solution' is akin to an athlete, say a heptathlete/decathlete, competing until the penultimate round and before it takes place a minor injury occurs. The governing body decree "it's not his/her fault so we'll take his/her best performance this season and award points accordingly." With rest and treatment the athlete is able to make the final discipline and ... wins the event!

Would that be fair to the competitors who had performed at every stage of the contest? Hardly.

Clearly Gareth did not ask for the concession and the controversy that the possibility engendered rests purely with the producers.

I think we can say, without fear of contradiction that given a complete performance by all skaters Gareth would have been in the mix for the title; Sadly fate dictated otherwise.

I wish him a speedy recovery”

As others have said I really don't think anyone be it he or the production staff could have foreseen how extreme his reaction would be & that it would get worse over time not better so i don't think he was unwise.

Personally i would have been happy to have seen Gareth do 2 skating routines in a skating competition as with all the others - I have always hated they flying & this week's events have only strengthened that view.

The sadness that I and many feel with this is that if tere had ben no flying as with the last 2 series Gareth wouldn't have got ill & would now almost certainly be in the final.
hannah
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“As others have said I really don't think anyone be it he or the production staff could have foreseen how extreme his reaction would be & that it would get worse over time not better so i don't think he was unwise.

Personally i would have been happy to have seen Gareth do 2 skating routines in a skating competition as with all the others - I have always hated they flying & this week's events have only strengthened that view.

The sadness that I and many feel with this is that if tere had ben no flying as with the last 2 series Gareth wouldn't have got ill & would now almost certainly be in the final.”

I agree with you
Merity
04-03-2013
Originally Posted by Bluebird69:
“I read a comment on Twitter that Gareth has previouly suffered from a minor stroke, so the fact that he had severe headaches and memory loss is very worrying, and no doubt behind the reason for medics pulling him out of the show. He must be gutted, and it's a real shame as he was a very strong skater and I was looking forward to seeing him in the final.

I do hope that Gareth will be OK, and I'm quite shocked at the level of callousness displayed by some posters here. ”

Me too.

Sometimes it gobsmacks me on here - the way some people think and see things and the callous posts that they make.

I hope Gareth is feeling better now and there has been no permanent damage done.

It's such a shame that because of something totally out of his control he lost his most deserved place in the final.
soulou
04-03-2013
Gareth is a professional sportsman and, more than most of us, understands the effects of injury or illness. He has probably experienced it many times in his career and is philosophical about these things by now. He was my favourite so I am disappointed he is not in the final, but that's the way sport goes sometimes. I hope that he is OK and well enough to perform in any group routines in the final, preferably with skates firmly on the ice.
Scrufox86
04-03-2013
Ah such a shame. I hope he gets better soon. He was getting better as the weeks went on. I was hoping he would be good enough to get to the final and possibly shake up who would win it.
Jules 1
04-03-2013
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...al/4732442.stm

Gareth suffered a mini stroke after being hit on the head in a game, it also didn't help that he was on the BBC Wales rugby show Scrum V, when he came across extremely badly.
Perhaps these two incidents combined led to the stroke.

Given what happened on Dancing on Ice last night, I think he should have an MRI scan to see if there is any other underlying issue.
Winchester Lady
05-03-2013
I think that in view of his increasingly adverse reactions during the week, his flying act should have been halted a couple of days earlier by the medical advisers. I do wonder if perhaps he could have done two normal, "on the ice skates" but only be given marks out of 5 for the second one. I think that would show more respect for his health and give him a chance to compete in some way. But I understand if others feel that would be unfair. I agree with most posters here, for goodness sake drop the flying! The props are bad enough! Most of us just want to see pure skating.
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