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Ex-Apprentice winner Stella English sues Alan Sugar (& has now lost) |
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For a £100,000, I'd even work at Poundland!
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Yeah but you didn't feel a need to take it to tribunal. Sounds like you just left and moved on to something more satisfying.
Ms English said Lord Sugar told her he gave her the new role because he did not want to damage the integrity of The Apprentice or the BBC, or harm his image. |
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What a muppet, what is she hoping to achieve with this action? Is she suing because she didn't get the media career that everyone really goes on the show for?
Some jobs just don't work out, most people just accept it, put it behind them, and move on. Who will be keen to employ her now with this sort of nonsense from her on display in the press? Doesn't she understand that a non-renewed fixed term contract simply ends or have I missed something? Nobody owes you a living pet. Sometimes you have to work for it and often there are setbacks you have to overcome. Move on dear. I don't know if she's likely to win; it'll depend what her contract says, no doubt. But I suspect she's telling the truth about what happened - as you point out, going to a tribunal can be damaging to future prospects, and she'll know that, so won't be likely to do so lightly - and, whatever the legal position, if things happened as she said, I think she's at least morally in the right. Your last paragraph seems very condescending, especially as Stella had already worked very hard to get herself up from a tough background to a £80k + job in a bank. I suspect she knows all about overcoming setbacks and has never expected anyone to owe her a living, but does expect people to deliver on their promises. |
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It was a TV show, she was naive if she expected a normal job out of it. She may (or may not) win but either way, I have little sympathy for her - she was basically part of a cut-throat entertainment industry, however the "job" was portrayed.
She needed to move on, not start suing everyone (or anyone). |
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It was a TV show, she was naive if she expected a normal job out of it. She may (or may not) win but either way, I have little sympathy for her - she was basically part of a cut-throat entertainment industry, however the "job" was portrayed.
She needed to move on, not start suing everyone (or anyone). it is hardly going to enhance her career propsects |
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I do feel that it is a big con by Alan Sugar. He always gives the impression of not being a very honourable person, despite his title. Money is all he cares about.
Stella can surely pick up another job like the one she had before The Apprentice. She is quite brave to face up to Sugar and not cower away. Good for her. . |
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What do you think of this?
Fair play to her I say! Hope she wins |
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agreed. she was paid well and should move on. life is tooshort for dreadfully court cases
it is hardly going to enhance her career propsects
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I struggle to believe she would be so naive. She probably knows she has a strong case when what she was offered was not what was promised, and then, if she was unfairly dismissed. I know everyone is saying she shouldn't have expected a proper job, but that doesn't mean Sugar can just ignore employment laws. She still has rights.
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I think the trouble is that she wasn't looking for a media career, and thought the show really was what it represents itself as being; a real opportunity to advance a serious business career.
I don't know if she's likely to win; it'll depend what her contract says, no doubt. But I suspect she's telling the truth about what happened - as you point out, going to a tribunal can be damaging to future prospects, and she'll know that, so won't be likely to do so lightly - and, whatever the legal position, if things happened as she said, I think she's at least morally in the right. Your last paragraph seems very condescending, especially as Stella had already worked very hard to get herself up from a tough background to a £80k + job in a bank. I suspect she knows all about overcoming setbacks and has never expected anyone to owe her a living, but does expect people to deliver on their promises. |
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I think the trouble is that she wasn't looking for a media career, and thought the show really was what it represents itself as being; a real opportunity to advance a serious business career.
Even if you do get the job at the end of it, Viglen is a downmarket operation flogging cheap IT kit to schools - just how high-profile is a job there going to be? |
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Y'see, that's why The Apprentice has lost all resemblance to the real business world; anyone with any genuine talent for business must be able to see that it is just entertainment. I struggle to see how anyone who is already in a good career, performing well, would risk it all by appearing on a ridiculous, manipulated gameshow.
Even if you do get the job at the end of it, Viglen is a downmarket operation flogging cheap IT kit to schools - just how high-profile is a job there going to be? If The Apprentice was truly about business, it would be a very dull show set in boardrooms with no shouting and slanging, but with lots of accounting and legalese. To be honest, that'd be the show I'd prefer to watch these days! |
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It never had any resemblance to the business world. Business decision aren't made by screaming harridans in the street, they're made by suits in an office. The Apprentice teaches people how to shout loudest, seeing as that is apparently what wins on that show.
If The Apprentice was truly about business, it would be a very dull show set in boardrooms with no shouting and slanging, but with lots of accounting and legalese. To be honest, that'd be the show I'd prefer to watch these days! I agree with your second paragraph, although I'm not sure there's a show in it.
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I have a plan to make for awesome telly (or at least get the Apprentice shitcanned
) - I plan on entering, being the damn best candidate ever, then when Lord Sugar announces me as the winner I'll tell him to go **** himself live on You're Hired...That is a dream I will hold dear to me
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BIB: Oh, I think the first series was at least a gameshow with a business theme. Subsequent series jumped the shark by deliberately selecting deluded, attention-seeking pillocks because it made for more entertaining telly.
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I have a plan to make for awesome telly (or at least get the Apprentice shitcanned
) - I plan on entering, being the damn best candidate ever, then when Lord Sugar announces me as the winner I'll tell him to go **** himself live on You're Hired...That is a dream I will hold dear to me ![]() |
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I always thought it was the biggest PR exercise for Sugar ever and as its the BBC it's free advertising too. He has used the show for his personal gain more than anything, most of the winners have left his organisation shortly after. I genuinely don't think there are positions available
I don't know why anyone would think working for him would be glamorous or exciting. It's also unlikely that he would be running this companies with an important £100K-a-year roll unfilled, waiting for each year's series winner! I think winning the TV show is the big deal, not the actual job. (In the same way that just appearing on Dragon's Den is more important than getting any investment.) |
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Sugar is always associated with Amstrad but he doesn't even own that anymore. What's left is a rather dull string of companies, such as property and display signs. Even Viglen just does boring corporate computer systems.
I don't know why anyone would think working for him would be glamorous or exciting. It's also unlikely that he would be running this companies with an important £100K-a-year roll unfilled, waiting for each year's series winner! I think winning the TV show is the big deal, not the actual job. (In the same way that just appearing on Dragon's Den is more important than getting any investment.) |
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Viglen-rubbish name, no idea how successful it is
In could have been worse though: Lenvig. |
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I agree with you. I'm surprised so many people on here are defending Sugar. At last someone has not let him bully them and has stepped forward to point out what a sham it all was. Stella was never a media type, he's definitely lying about that. I believe that she left a good job hoping to advance her career and has been fobbed off. Yes she got good money for a year but that really isn't the point. She was conned. Too many people on this thread are jealous of the money she earned for doing very little without seeing the bigger picture - that Sugar is basically a con-merchant who likes to promote himself on TV. He is the media type not her.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if Sugar loses, the contract loophole (for that is what it would be) will be firmly slammed shut for any future series! If she wins and gets substantial damages, she could have quite a good career in front of her as a kind of Lady Legal Loophole.
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Anyone with any business acumen would have realised that it was just a TV show and what (if anything) that happened afterwards was peripheral. If any mistake was made by the BBC and/or Sugar, it was perhaps that they didn't spell this out in words of one syllable in the contract, for the benefit of people who didn't 'get it'. Or who might later plan to take advantage of the situation...
You can bet your bottom dollar that if Sugar loses, the contract loophole (for that is what it would be) will be firmly slammed shut for any future series! If she wins and gets substantial damages, she could have quite a good career in front of her as a kind of Lady Legal Loophole. ![]() |
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I sincerely hope she does win, but win or lose the damage has been done to bully boy Sugar. His image is tarnished.
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Maybe not but its the principle of it and what she was sold, if he didn't deliver based on probably there really never was a job "lets make something up". She is savvy enough to realise there never was a job and he is now being outed
![]() She is very fortunate to be in employment on 100k. She should move on and put it behind her. This court case is hardly going to have employers flocking at her door. sillly woman. |
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You can bet your bottom dollar that if Sugar loses, the contract loophole (for that is what it would be) will be firmly slammed shut for any future series! |
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I'm surprised a busy business man such as Sir Sugar has time to spend two days or more at the tribunal.
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