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When people call artists sell outs, wtf?
really annoys me, its like an artist is relatively unknown or underrated, then they have a catchy monster hit, or a couple and everyone is like omg what a sell out?
Its like people are basically saying dont have succsess, if i had a chance to write, be promoted and have an amazing song that would be a break through it would be stupid not to take it.. |
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really annoys me, its like an artist is relatively unknown or underrated, then they have a catchy monster hit, or a couple and everyone is like omg what a sell out?
Its like people are basically saying dont have succsess, if i had a chance to write, be promoted and have an amazing song that would be a break through it would be stupid not to take it.. i can understand why fans of the experimental/creative material would moan at the shift to commercial pop |
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really annoys me, its like an artist is relatively unknown or underrated, then they have a catchy monster hit, or a couple and everyone is like omg what a sell out?
Its like people are basically saying dont have succsess, if i had a chance to write, be promoted and have an amazing song that would be a break through it would be stupid not to take it.. |
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It depends, if they have success then that's great, however pimping themselves on programmes like X-Factor, BGT etc etc is IMO 'selling out'
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I'm using TS as an example of selling out she sexed up her image and totally overhauled her music until it resembled something of a cross section between Katy Perry and herself. Rather than shift her music into more adult territory and maturing as a writer and expanding on her music she decided to get her tits out that right there is selling out
![]() But for the most part if an artist i like gets more mainstream success without changing their sound then it doesn't bother me as they are being successful for what i loved but it does annoy me when others then accuse them of abandoning their original fans and ''selling out''
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It depends, if they have success then that's great, however pimping themselves on programmes like X-Factor, BGT etc etc is IMO 'selling out'
see like this How is taking a well paid job selling out, i suppose its the right term but you know what i mean, the way people use it, as if theyresorted to something shameless, id give anything to be in these peoples position. If i was a relatively unknown artist of course id take x factor for exposure, or a bangin tune to break through, it isnt selling out its doing what they set out to do in the first place.. |
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selling out isn't a real thing - if fans begrudge their favourite artists success then they aren't true fans. I understand that with rock bands and such that sometimes they do change their sound to meet a more commercial audience but it's the bands choice at the end of the day.
Taylor swift and Katy perry have always been record company fodder, for them to sell out is like saying one direction have sold out - its ridiculous. |
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selling out isn't a real thing - if fans begrudge their favourite artists success then they aren't true fans. I understand that with rock bands and such that sometimes they do change their sound to meet a more commercial audience but it's the bands choice at the end of the day.
If one of my favourite angular, spiky, confrontational, noisy bands suddenly decided that there is more money in sounding like Funeral for a Friend and release an album that sounds just like Funeral for a Friend then I am not going to like it am I? It's nothing to do with being a 'true fan'; if the band are chasing the Funeral for a Friend fanbase then they are the ones that are leaving me, not the other way around. I'm all for bands experimenting, developing, progressing, maturing etc. in fact I think it's vitally important that bands do that. However, if they change their sound purely to muscle their way into a particularly lucrative market then they can piss off as far as I'm concerned. |
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I think Rod Stewart is an example in reverse , he made some great tracks with The Faces , but now he is safe & bland turning out limp cover versions & MOR records which lack any substance .
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Is a sell-out more or less of a sell-out if their gigs don't sell out once they've sold out artistically?
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Is a sell-out more or less of a sell-out if their gigs don't sell out once they've sold out artistically?
Interesting.
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I think Rod Stewart is an example in reverse , he made some great tracks with The Faces , but now he is safe & bland turning out limp cover versions & MOR records which lack any substance .
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It's because when a relatively underground artist becomes mainstream, he loses the support of music snobs and pretentious listeners. They're as unimportant as an audience can possibly be, but they sure are feisty. They do everything they can to make clear that they used to listen to that particular artist before the masses did. It makes them feel superior I guess.
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It's because when a relatively underground artist becomes mainstream, he loses the support of music snobs and pretentious listeners. They're as unimportant as an audience can possibly be, but they sure are feisty. They do everything they can to make clear that they used to listen to that particular artist before the masses did. It makes them feel superior I guess.
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This really.
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Ok then. I like my rock music angular, spiky, confrontational and noisy; I don't like rock music that sounds like, say, Funeral for a Friend.
If one of my favourite angular, spiky, confrontational, noisy bands suddenly decided that there is more money in sounding like Funeral for a Friend and release an album that sounds just like Funeral for a Friend then I am not going to like it am I? It's nothing to do with being a 'true fan'; if the band are chasing the Funeral for a Friend fanbase then they are the ones that are leaving me, not the other way around. I'm all for bands experimenting, developing, progressing, maturing etc. in fact I think it's vitally important that bands do that. However, if they change their sound purely to muscle their way into a particularly lucrative market then they can piss off as far as I'm concerned. take green day for example - did they sell out with American Idiot? as far as I'm aware they were always successful but a lot of their 'original' fans branded them sell outs because it opened the band up to a new generation of fans, which I don't think was the case at all. |
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I have never agreed with the term 'selling out'. If the music is good then who cares? John Lydon gets accused of it due to his butter antics but I enjoyed the last PIL album and the thought of him in an advert didn't enter my mind at all when I listened to it
In defence of people who turn against artists once they get big, most bands change their sound in some form or another the longer they go on. Their 'new' sound won't appeal to everyone and it's natural some of their fanbase will tail off. Also people change. I used to be a fan of many bands that I wouldn't play now and it's simply because my tastes have changed. There's only a handful of artists who's music stays with a person throughout their lifetime. Music fans are always looking for something new and when they find something new and exciting, their old favourites seem old hat. Like all true loves though, you will always come back to the ones that truly mean something to you |
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yes that's all very well, you're perfectly entitled to dislike a bands output but that does not equate with the band being a sell out. as far as im concerned, music does evolve and not always for the better but the term sell out is banded around far too much these days as an excuse for fans to use when they dislike that 'their' band has become commercially successful.
take green day for example - did they sell out with American Idiot? as far as I'm aware they were always successful but a lot of their 'original' fans branded them sell outs because it opened the band up to a new generation of fans, which I don't think was the case at all. |
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It's because when a relatively underground artist becomes mainstream, he loses the support of music snobs and pretentious listeners. They're as unimportant as an audience can possibly be, but they sure are feisty. They do everything they can to make clear that they used to listen to that particular artist before the masses did. It makes them feel superior I guess.
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pretencious listeners? music snobs? or just music fans who dislike lazy, mainstream, generic, unoriginal material, created to make money and not for the love of making music.
The latter group are designated "music snobs" because they refuse to publicly acknowledge and side with the general music consensus as established by the kind of people who buy Skullcandy headphones. |
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Artists do sell out though.
Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj being MASSIVE examples of it. Nicki's first album was pure genius, nothing too mainstream. It was successful because people were impressed by it. Then her second album - the first half, amazing. The second half - the biggest load of pop shite i have ever heard. Sell out. Taylor Swift - First 2 albums - Good, solid, pop songs! 3rd album - Dubstep, more pop material than Katy Perry. Her imagine first 2 albums - Innocent country girl. Her imagine 3rd album - Tits out, sex, drugs, money etc. It's just such a sell out. People are allowed to call artists sell outs because look - they do sell out. |
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I think Rod Stewart is an example in reverse , he made some great tracks with The Faces , but now he is safe & bland turning out limp cover versions & MOR records which lack any substance .
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pretencious listeners? music snobs? or just music fans who dislike lazy, mainstream, generic, unoriginal material, created to make money and not for the love of making music.
She had been singing the same songs for nearly 4 or 5 years up to that point and then everyone loved them. She was called a sell out, which I'm not sure how she could be when all the songs on the album bar the last two singles and DILAD were written years before the album was even out and she still used them. Calling a pop singer a sell out anyway doesn't make sense, there is nothing wrong with being mainstream and being underground doesn't make an artist more special. However, if I had to pinpoint a sell out, Nicki Minaj would be it. Using pop hooks is one thing, BOB wouldn't be where he is without them, but having half an album solid cookie cutter dance pop when that isn't and never was her type of music is pushing it. |
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really annoys me, its like an artist is relatively unknown or underrated, then they have a catchy monster hit, or a couple and everyone is like omg what a sell out?
Its like people are basically saying dont have succsess, if i had a chance to write, be promoted and have an amazing song that would be a break through it would be stupid not to take it.. Quote:
It depends, if they have success then that's great, however pimping themselves on programmes like X-Factor, BGT etc etc is IMO 'selling out'
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Is a sell-out more or less of a sell-out if their gigs don't sell out once they've sold out artistically?
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It's because when a relatively underground artist becomes mainstream, he loses the support of music snobs and pretentious listeners. They're as unimportant as an audience can possibly be, but they sure are feisty. They do everything they can to make clear that they used to listen to that particular artist before the masses did. It makes them feel superior I guess.
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I have never agreed with the term 'selling out'. If the music is good then who cares? John Lydon gets accused of it due to his butter antics but I enjoyed the last PIL album and the thought of him in an advert didn't enter my mind at all when I listened to it
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In defence of people who turn against artists once they get big, most bands change their sound in some form or another the longer they go on. Their 'new' sound won't appeal to everyone and it's natural some of their fanbase will tail off.
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There's only a handful of artists who's music stays with a person throughout their lifetime.
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I'm impressed that this thread has lasted so long talking about selling out and no one has mentioned Kings of Leon.
They're first thing that comes to mind as an example of a band selling out so to speak. |
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