[slick1two]

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Originally Posted by clonmult

They're slating the camera due to the marketing spiel thats come from HTC, who are incapable of promoting a product with anything like intelligence. Which is a shame, as aside from the camera, it does look like an interesting device. Bloody fantastic design and excellent specs.

I think there was a claim that the sensor was the largest in a mobile, which is fine aside from the fact that it isn't true (N8, 808, N86 were definitely larger sensors). The 300% light increase is pure marketing BS.

The 920 comparisons are hilarious, because the camera in that only generates interesting images in very specific conditions - low light stationary objects, and even then the images are unnaturally lit (ie. shutter open for too long). Its utterly useless for nightclub shots or anything in low light with lots of people moving around, all you get is a blur. In anything other than its sweet spot the 920 is barely any different to the 4S/SGS/Note/etc.

Your DSLR comparison is interesting, as the 808 does approach DSLR quality, but in a compact shell, albeit not with a small sensor.

Bottom line is with regards to camera performance, for any really serious photography you can't beat a professional camera. But for every other situation being able to take better than average pics and record good HD video is a big plus. Besides, A great camera means nothing, if you don't know what you are doing with it. It's sometimes said, that the best camera is the one you are using. Most people dont get beyond taking those night out group shots with their phone cams. So I guess every smart phone will be able to do that well enough.

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by slick1two

Bottom line is with regards to camera performance, for any really serious photography you can't beat a professional camera. But for every other situation being able to take better than average pics and record good HD video is a big plus. Besides, A great camera means nothing, if you don't know what you are doing with it. It's sometimes said, that the best camera is the one you are using. Most people dont get beyond taking those night out group shots with their phone cams. So I guess every smart phone will be able to do that well enough.

Very true there, the best camera is the one you have.

The 920 kind of proves the point that OIS doesn't help in the slightest for night out shots (hey everyone, stay still for a third of a second, please?), and judging by the prevalence of dedicated cameras on nights out, mobiles really aren't doing that good a job of it. Either that or people tend to just post up what looks like fuzzy cam pictures taken on their 4S or SGS3.

Mainly down to a lack of a proper - ie. xenon - flash, and its one of the many reasons why I don't see this HTC, the 920 or pretty much any other current phone as anything other than a downgrade from the 808.

On the bright side, the One is likely to have a better camera than any other previous HTC. Which isn't saying much, but its definitely welcome .... maybe brings them up to a level with Apple and Samsung

[finbaar]

The One is the first flagship 2013 phone really after Sony released the Xperia Z with last year's processor. The Snapdragon 600 is a significant bump up over the S4 pro and there will be better to come with the Snapdragon 800.

I'm still going to get the Nexus 4 though.

[slick1two]

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Originally Posted by finbaar

The One is the first flagship 2013 phone really after Sony released the Xperia Z with last year's processor. The Snapdragon 600 is a significant bump up over the S4 pro and there will be better to come with the Snapdragon 800.

I'm still going to get the Nexus 4 though.

I had a change of heart was going to jump on the One but I think I will stick with the N4. I just can't stand waiting for OS updates. I want to have the latest software and so atleast Google will be supporting the n4 for a while like they still do the galaxy nexus.

I hate being at the mercy of the phone vendors and networks for the updates. May wait and see what the X phone is saying when that's released. Could also be sporting a snapdragon 600 and should get timely updates as well.

N4 will do right now. Sorry HTC. I'm out.

[Step666]

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Originally Posted by finbaar

The One is the first flagship 2013 phone really after Sony released the Xperia Z with last year's processor. The Snapdragon 600 is a significant bump up over the S4 pro...

Same CPU architecture and same GPU as the S4s.
There are some changes but it's basically just an S4 that's been cynically re-branded, so hardly a 2013 SoC.

Judging a chip based on when it was announced, especially when there's just a couple of months between them that just happen to span the new year is utterly pointless.

[swordman]

Actually the more I think about this phone after the launch im actually very disappointed I think this will be totally lost in the next month or two with new launches.

In fact I would go so far as to say that HTC have or are fast becoming a bit of a non event full stop. When I think of their early phones I had the legend and desire they were really something great I honestly can't see me even thinking of buying a HTC again which is a shame.

[gavo360]

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Originally Posted by swordman

Actually the more I think about this phone after the launch im actually very disappointed I think this will be totally lost in the next month or two with new launches.

In fact I would go so far as to say that HTC have or are fast becoming a bit of a non event full stop. When I think of their early phones I had the legend and desire they were really something great I honestly can't see me even thinking of buying a HTC again which is a shame.

Agree with most of this. HTC were the first good android phones and if this was 2 years ago a thread about HTC's new range of phones would be on fire but now not enough people are interested any more . They've lost market share and mind share.

I think HTC's high end phones have always been as good as the competition but there mid to lower range phones have been poor and people that I know that have had one never wanted to buy HTC again.

[Scotty2012]

The HTC One is ugly.

[daclick]

And you could well be scotty

[Anika Hanson]

I thought it looked quite nice.

[Scotty2012]

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Originally Posted by daclick

And you could well be scotty

What does my looks have to do with it?

[Step666]

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Originally Posted by gavo360

I think HTC's high end phones have always been as good as the competition...

They haven't been though.
There's always been lots of little corners cut on their handsets, right the way back to the Desire, lots of little points where they fail to measure up to the competition (read: Samsung).

That's why they've seen sales and profits fall while Samsung have taken over the Android market.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by Step666

They haven't been though.
There's always been lots of little corners cut on their handsets, right the way back to the Desire, lots of little points where they fail to measure up to the competition (read: Samsung).

That's why they've seen sales and profits fall while Samsung have taken over the Android market.

A lot of people have lost faith in HTC. Myself included. While i want HTC as a company to succeed, they're not doing the best job themselves of ensuring that they do succeed. They have a number of issues they need to address and so far they just seem to be repeating what they did last year. So i want to see if their marketing strategy will change or whether their quality control has improved at all before buying another HTC handset.

And i know a large proportion of consumers will do the same.

[Step666]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

So i want to see if their marketing strategy will change or whether their quality control has improved at all before buying another HTC handset.

I would say the quality control is a far bigger issue than the marketing.

Another big issue is the design of the handsets in the first place - what idiot is making the decisions that have caused them to once again leave out a memory card slot and make the battery non-removable?
Not to mention, is there no-one working for HTC who's smart enough to realise that their batteries aren't nearly big enough?

They don't have a clue from the looks of things.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by Step666

I would say the quality control is a far bigger issue than the marketing.

Another big issue is the design of the handsets in the first place - what idiot is making the decisions that have caused them to once again leave out a memory card slot and make the battery non-removable?
Not to mention, is there no-one working for HTC who's smart enough to realise that their batteries aren't nearly big enough?

They don't have a clue from the looks of things.

I agree with the bold.

I think HTC are moving in a better direction to last year with some unique features such as the 4.7inch (not 5inch carbon copy everyone is using) screen, the better speaker system (gimmick) the ultrapixel camera (risky) etc... but i don't know if it's enough to change anything yet. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

oh wow.... just saw the time. I thought it was still 10pm
Think it's time to sign off!

[finbaar]

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Originally Posted by Step666

Same CPU architecture and same GPU as the S4s.
There are some changes but it's basically just an S4 that's been cynically re-branded, so hardly a 2013 SoC.

Judging a chip based on when it was announced, especially when there's just a couple of months between them that just happen to span the new year is utterly pointless.

But there were more than a couple of months between the announcements. The S4 pro was the middle of last year about 7 – 8 months ago. The 600 was at CES. So yes the 600 and 800 are this years SoCs and the S4 pro is last years SoCs. It is not a difficult concept to grasp now is it?

Cynically rebranded?

[slick1two]

http://asia.cnet.com/htc-one-vs-ipho...t-62220556.htm

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by slick1two

http://asia.cnet.com/htc-one-vs-ipho...t-62220556.htm

Not exactly the resounding success that HTCs PR department would have you expecting.

The comment stating that its clearly better than the iPhone 5 is stretching the point - daylight its slightly better, low lights it still generates horribly noisy images, albeit less noisy than the 5.

Would love to see a comparison against the 808 and the 920, but preferably not by CNet Asia, who haven't got a great history for quality camera reviews ....

[slick1two]

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Originally Posted by clonmult;*****663

Not exactly the resounding success that HTCs PR department would have you expecting.

The comment stating that its clearly better than the iPhone 5 is stretching the point - daylight its slightly better, low lights it still generates horribly noisy images, albeit less noisy than the 5.

Would love to see a comparison against the 808 and the 920, but preferably not by CNet Asia, who haven't got a great history for quality camera reviews ....

People still need to understand that there are limitations on how good you can make a phone camera. The pics look decent, natural looking colours decent sharpness and not too much noise when you zoom in.

It will do for the majority of situations you will find yourself in as its not aimed at the pro photographer. Marketing speak is just that. HTC need to sell their product they have to big up the features.

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by slick1two

People still need to understand that there are limitations on how good you can make a phone camera. The pics look decent, natural looking colours decent sharpness and not too much noise when you zoom in.

It will do for the majority of situations you will find yourself in as its not aimed at the pro photographer. Marketing speak is just that. HTC need to sell their product they have to big up the features.

When the priority is to make the phones thin there are limitations, but in the case of something like the 808 where you put the camera as a priority, you can get a device that'll beat pretty much every dedicated compact camera on the market ...

I'm not surprised that many people are happy with the cameras in their phones, but then most people aren't pixel peepers

[MrSuper]

HTC have announced that the HTC One will be their ONLY flagship handset for 2013. Unlike last year where have had numerous handsets i.e HTC One X, One X+, One V and One S there won't be any of that this year.

In someways i think this is pretty good thinking as it gives HTC a whole year to advertiseand sell the heck out of this phone through print, media, internet, etc so in a way it has a good chance of succeeding and hopefully doing big numbers for the firm.

Looking forward to reading some proper reviews for this when it's released at the end of next week.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...s-year-1134591

[georgebarnes]

Seriously exited about this, beautiful phone, wonder what the pricing would be? Around 500 sim free fer surrre

[clonmult]

iirc it was going to be priced at a fair old premium.

Unsure whats so amazing about it, especially when compared to contemporaries like the iPhone and Galaxy ... especially when the new Galaxy S4 is just round the corner.

The only thing that got my attention initially was the camera, but even that looks to be a typical HTC affair - better than what they've done before, but not even up to the performance of a current mid-low range Nokia.

There really does seem to have been a lack of genuine interest in the product, which is a shame, but not surprising with HTCs track record (promising the earth, never actually giving).

[georgebarnes]

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Originally Posted by clonmult

iirc it was going to be priced at a fair old premium.

Unsure whats so amazing about it, especially when compared to contemporaries like the iPhone and Galaxy ... especially when the new Galaxy S4 is just round the corner.

The only thing that got my attention initially was the camera, but even that looks to be a typical HTC affair - better than what they've done before, but not even up to the performance of a current mid-low range Nokia.

There really does seem to have been a lack of genuine interest in the product, which is a shame, but not surprising with HTCs track record (promising the earth, never actually giving).

hahaha how can you say that?

Better camera not all about the pixels
ZOE looks fantastic
Loudspeaker has been reviewed, best on a phone so far
Screen best on the market
The new blink feed
The video recording
The dedicated special mic thing for gigs
The screen has the highest pixel density on any phone
ALL metal body

say wa?

[IvanIV]

Lookwise it's very WP inspired. I was never a fan of HTC designs, but the new ones, HTC One and WP8 handsets look very nice. And build quality was always good with HTC phones. I gave my old Trophy 7 to my niece and it's still in one piece