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Judges not impartial?
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bingoman
10-03-2013
It seems tonight that all 4 Judges seem to be Championing one person and still got wrong, is this the most Blantant Judges have Favoured all Series with all high Scores and did teh Judges try and maliulated the Viewers into trying into voting for Matt rather then Beth or Luke because it has worked as Beth wins

I thought Judges were meant to Partial and to take sides and try and not malinpuated the Result or was the Judges told to do it By Itv
Leicester_Hunk
10-03-2013
They should all go and a new panel next year. Ashley adds nothing, Karen is revolting and unprofessional, Jason has some excellent comments which are overshadowed by his attempts at controversy, only Robin has some credibility - but even he has acted bizarrely this year. Bring back Nicky, Katrina and Louis Spence.

Karen Barber is just stupid and a disgrace.
Vodka_Drinka
10-03-2013
I don't ever remember them showing this kid of favouritism before? If has been blatant all along that they've favoured Matt, in he process marking Beth down. They've even told her how good she is but have not given her the marks for her performances.

Im glad that the public have not fallen for the obvious manipulation.
Patti-Ann
10-03-2013
They gave Beth brilliant comments for her Bolero - the one routine where they don't have to score
Kolin Klingon
10-03-2013
Matt's arrogance plus the judges ignoring only his mistakes and sticking him down everyone's throats is the reason he didn't win.

No one likes that disgusting manipulation and voted accordingly.
Saskia44
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“It seems tonight that all 4 Judges seem to be Championing one person and still got wrong, is this the most Blantant Judges have Favoured all Series with all high Scores and did teh Judges try and maliulated the Viewers into trying into voting for Matt rather then Beth or Luke because it has worked as Beth wins

I thought Judges were meant to Partial and to take sides and try and not malinpuated the Result or was the Judges told to do it By Itv”

Here we go again! Talk about bandwagons. Where is your evidence?

This allegation has become the most boring nonsence to come out of such an entertaining show. Ruins it. You and your ilk will be the death of it.
bingoman
10-03-2013
Well i think Robin gave it way when he told Matt to take of is waist Coat told him he was ready for the Borelo and Jason Gushing over him than the other two
Winchester Lady
10-03-2013
It's not favouritism, Matt was just clearly in a different league.
Tiger Rose
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“I don't ever remember them showing this kid of favouritism before? If has been blatant all along that they've favoured Matt, in he process marking Beth down. They've even told her how good she is but have not given her the marks for her performances.

Im glad that the public have not fallen for the obvious manipulation.”

I think they probably did with Ray Quinn, certainly in the marks but then it was understandable. Even if like me you weren't a fan of Ray personally there was no denying his talent.
Saskia44
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Winchester Lady:
“It's not favouritism, Matt was just clearly in a different league.”

Pointing out the obvious just goes over their heads. There are none so blind as those that will not see.
Tiggergirl
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Pointing out the obvious just goes over their heads. There are none so blind as those that will not see.”

The same can be applied to the Matt fans who are blind to his glarely obvious sloppy skating, bad posture, obsession with body popping etc that has been seen by the rest of the GBP but seem entranced by his "dazzling performances"

Yes there is manipulation when Matt is making mistakes which he admitted to and he still gets marked up whereas others have points knocked off. Telling him he is the best when clearly past evidence points to the contrary is also evidence of trying to manipulate in his favour.

I am just glad the public saw past the blinkered judges tonight and actually used their own minds to make the right decision.
biggle2000
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Winchester Lady:
“It's not favouritism, Matt was just clearly in a different league.”

Don't know which league he was in but it wasn't the winning one
Saskia44
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“The same can be applied to the Matt fans who are blind to his glarely obvious sloppy skating, bad posture, obsession with body popping etc that has been seen by the rest of the GBP but seem entranced by his "dazzling performances"

Yes there is manipulation when Matt is making mistakes which he admitted to and he still gets marked up whereas others have points knocked off. Telling him he is the best when clearly past evidence points to the contrary is also evidence of trying to manipulate in his favour.

I am just glad the public saw past the blinkered judges tonight and actually used their own minds to make the right decision.”

Many of the public saw no further than Matt's over-confidence and Beth's humility. Skating skill and performance sadly came a poor second.

The Brit's let themselves down with their pre-occupation with arrogance - or at least their perception of it.
SULLA
10-03-2013
The judges knew that he would be behind on the public vote so
they gave him 2 lots of perfect scores to try and help him catch up
biggle2000
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“The judges knew that he would be behind on the public vote so
they gave him 2 lots of perfect scores top try and help him catch up”

But thankfully their opinions counted for nothing tonight. What's betting they change the rules next year.
Tall Paul
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“The judges knew that he would be behind on the public vote so
they gave him 2 lots of perfect scores top try and help him catch up”

Exactly and there was a definite air of cynicism right from the off from the judges, they were clearly pushing for another male winner and failed miserably.

By the way I am back on this site and here to stay this time round, have dusted myself off and ready to post again.
Reality Sucks
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Many of the public saw no further than Matt's over-confidence and Beth's humility. Skating skill and performance sadly came a poor second.

The Brit's let themselves down with their pre-occupation with arrogance - or at least their perception of it.”

I feel pretty impartial as I haven't been glued to it. I think Matt had the best natural ability of all the skaters this year, but I enjoyed watching Beth for her grace and athleticism as much as I did Matt.

I felt it was much closer than the judges did and their bias may have been what cost Matt his win. His performances were not perfect 10s across the board for example.
Tissy
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“The judges knew that he would be behind on the public vote so
they gave him 2 lots of perfect scores top try and help him catch up”

Usually they like to create a two horse race - even if one of the skaters is obviously superior <see Ray Quinn> however Beth and Matt both had strengths and weaknesses so for the judges to throw their full support behind Matt seemed strange so maybe you do have a point.
jetta
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Winchester Lady:
“It's not favouritism, Matt was just clearly in a different league.”

Good to see a positive comment for Matt on this forum. Can't believe the negativity towards someone who so deserved to win. The difference was clear in the Bolero, with Matt adding so many different touches to the dance, where as Beth repeated moves we've seen several times before, particularly the split lift.

Loved the combination of a lift straight into the fall at the end in Matt's performance.
Saskia44
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Kolin Klingon:
“Matt's arrogance plus the judges ignoring only his mistakes and sticking him down everyone's throats is the reason he didn't win.

No one likes that disgusting manipulation and voted accordingly.”

In other words - emotion winning over common sense. Can't possibly tolerate a bit of arrogance now can we.
Cassy990
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“I think they probably did with Ray Quinn, certainly in the marks but then it was understandable. Even if like me you weren't a fan of Ray personally there was no denying his talent.”

I'm with you, I wasn't a massive fan of Ray, far from it, but I was still excited to see what he did every week if that makes any sense. I didn't have that with any of this years lot.
Robin's simpering really put me off him tonight, he doesn't normally lower himself to showing favouritism. I'd be quite certain it isn't the first time Jason and Karen have done it.
I'd have rathered the judges remained imparitial. I think Matt was great tonight but their bias was so obvious.
Tiggergirl
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Many of the public saw no further than Matt's over-confidence and Beth's humility. Skating skill and performance sadly came a poor second.

The Brit's let themselves down with their pre-occupation with arrogance - or at least their perception of it.”

Clearly your perception of skating skills is akin to the judges then going for style over any real substance.

Matts skating skills are conspicious by their absence. Yes he is fast but where was the actual technicality, he did not attempt any actual technical moves as such as have those who many percieve to have been better male performers over the years. His actual moves like crossovers were sloppy and his hunched posture more akin to a hockey skater than a figure skater. He has not made any attempt to correct these despite initially being pulled up on it by the judges. That is another issue that people have the fact that the judges have been blindly ignoring the faults whilst marking highly yet other technically perfect routines get marked down.

Beths has been called technically the best skater they have had which puts her above Matt in terms of ability yet this wasn't actually reflected by their marks which again suggests manipulation.

As I say it hasn't helped that his cockiness and arrogance and no its not self confidence IMO has increased week by week and has become unbearable and yes that will be a factor for some people voting but unless you have spoken to every single person who voted and asked how they voted and why then you cannot make a general assumption like the one you have made.
hitnmix
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Many of the public saw no further than Matt's over-confidence and Beth's humility. Skating skill and performance sadly came a poor second.

The Brit's let themselves down with their pre-occupation with arrogance - or at least their perception of it.”

You are so clueless as I have never though Matt was arrogant.

I did on the other hand think he was not the best skater after all he did have a bad posture and his skating was sloppy at time.
Saskia44
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“Clearly your perception of skating skills is akin to the judges then going for style over any real substance.

Matts skating skills are conspicious by their absence. Yes he is fast but where was the actual technicality, he did not attempt any actual technical moves as such as have those who many percieve to have been better male performers over the years. His actual moves like crossovers were sloppy and his hunched posture more akin to a hockey skater than a figure skater. He has not made any attempt to correct these despite initially being pulled up on it by the judges. That is another issue that people have the fact that the judges have been blindly ignoring the faults whilst marking highly yet other technically perfect routines get marked down.

Beths has been called technically the best skater they have had which puts her above Matt in terms of ability yet this wasn't actually reflected by their marks which again suggests manipulation.

As I say it hasn't helped that his cockiness and arrogance and no its not self confidence IMO has increased week by week and has become unbearable and yes that will be a factor for some people voting but unless you have spoken to every single person who voted and asked how they voted and why then you cannot make a general assumption like the one you have made.”

And your skating credentials are?
NaturalDancer
10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Pointing out the obvious just goes over their heads. There are none so blind as those that will not see.”

It's only your opinion just as Beth being better than Matt is most people's opinion but she was still the best
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