You already seem to have renamed it.

Matt didn't have good enough skating ability he had bad posture, sloppy skating and was being slobbered over by blinkered judges and not being corrected in his errors. Add to that the fact he is cocky and arrogant.

Beth had both the ability and the humbleness to make her the more than worthy winner.

Its not paranoia on the part of any of the posters here its just we are not so blinded by our favourite to see the faults with the judges and in the show. I am loyal to the show and even though I will argue with others on here about some things I am more than capable of seeing its faults not just accusing other posters of being the death of the show and being paranoid just because they aren't looking through rose tinted glasses.

You obviously have more skating knowledge than the experts. I congratulate you.

The experts have a wealth of knowledge. It's just a pity they didn't use any of it this series

She was the best skater this series. She was a delight to watch even though she wasn't given the best choreo. It's interesting that her best choreoed routine was Bolero IMO which I presume was Dan's work.

And what do you think was the reason for this? Please do tell...

Better judges for a start.

Katarina and Louis for starters.

Maybe they should bow down to your superior knowledge. Oh wait - could I possibly detect a bit of arrogance there! That won't do now will it!

Professional ice skaters judging ice skating - whatever next!

Even if (which they obviously did) they preferred Matt they should still have had the good grace to stand up & applaud Beth when she was announced the winner. Manners cost nothing as they say.

They all came across as a bunch of spoilt children & Jason has had the temerity to criticise Luke for being petulant this series.

I agree - I thought Bolero was by far her best routine; it was the one that showed her full potential. I hadn't thought about who choreographed it up to now, though......interesting point

Indeed, he managed to put in emotion, some wow moves and some of her unique skills - all into one routine with a structure - which T and D failed to do all series.

I think Matt does the strength moves and overhead lifts better, but he wasn't great choregraphing Suzanne's Bolero or maximising Jorgie's potential last year. Dan does know what wins.

Are Jason and whatshername professional ice skaters?

No, but Robin and Karen are and they both also thought that Matt was the best.

I agree and I think the unneeded save me skate last week showed a lot of her potential as well which was obviously choreographed by Dan too. I think it would be good to see more input into the choreo from the celebs or I would potentially like if Dan wasn't taking part to see him being involved in the choreography side of things as I think we would see a lot more interesting routines. He knows how to get the best out of his partners and how showcase them properly but also I think he gets what the public want to see from a routine and that is what makes a good choreographer although having an excellent student also helps.

I think thats why I get so frustrated on here when people accuse Dan of holding his partners back because when you see what he can do when he is choreographing for them you realise that it is not him that is to blame really, unfortunately he and however he is paired with are at the mercy of Chris Dean and if he doesn't want to do good choreo then well your doomed but I just get so frustrated when people blame Dan for it when Dan is clearly a more than capable, teacher, partner and choreographer.

Karen is far too involved with training, you could see her bias towards Matt

And don't you think the producers may have a little say on what/how the judges judge?

Indeed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En7gA...N6Of2pEYlxuQ7Q

I think it is noticeable that Dan seems to get the same moves and Matt seems to get a set too. Look at Hayley's flying routine, or the same major moves turning up in Haytey's and Beth's top routines. Perhaps Chris just has a limited repertoire at that standard and also files moves under pro's names? The bolero tonight shows that Dan can deploy a wider range of moves and use his celebs unique skills to dramatic effect - wheras with the T and D versions its all been a bit throwaway and the moves get lost. The scope given by the music helps though too with Bolero . surely they could sit down and improve the musical repertoire well before the series starts? There's a whole universe of music that leads to dramatic routines and its already been mined for skating - why not use it more?

The scenario with Matt and Beth reminds me of the final of Strictly Come Dancing when Denise van Outen was the favourite but Louis Smith was voted the winner by the viewers. The difference though was that the judges all applauded Louis when the result was announced. I thought that the way the judges behaved after Beth won was despicable.

I know I don't understand why they don't expand the music choices, they don't necessarily have to go for classic, classic music as you say there is a whole world of music that could be used you just need to look at the current comps and the range of music featuring there just now. It's getting mind numbing to keep hearing the same songs coming up year after year. Like this year having Samia do her props routine to "The Look" with the chair which was Daniella's prop week routine also with the chair, No More Tears had been used before as had Livin La Vida Loca and I'm sure there are probably others.

As bad as it sounds I think Chris could do with looking at the comps for some choreo inspiration I was watching the junior worlds and there were a lot of moves there that would be perfect for DOI and that would be achieveable for the celebs. There were even a couple of other moves that this year I thought would have been perfect for Beth.

Sometimes I agreed with the judges regarding Beth (I thought they seriously overmarked what was a very bland showcase tonight) and sometimes I thought they were harsh (I felt her favorite routine deserved full marks; it was beautiful). I thought they were overly harsh with Luke at times and overly kind to Matt. I have no experience when stating this other than watching Dancing on Ice from the start and picking things up as the show has gone on - but most of that is performance based.

I agree the music seams to be the same old same old. Maybe they could inject some life into this by doing themed weeks. ( yes I know they done that ). But what I mean is real themed weeks eg real charleston, real big band, real rock ( not pop rock) , classical, Hip Hop and so on.

Saw some of that too - the pairs and junior ladies champs here in youtubes. i think Beth was the one who looked most like the real thing - though you can't expect her to do the jumps and spins she could make more of the the shapes and the lifts look very similar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnsfY9Equeo . Give Beth the right music and some new choregraphy on the tour and lets see what she can do? She's too late though to get to this (Radionava's) standard -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJoJF4bl1b8

There must be more music they could borrow from other programmes as you say. Getting the wow moves to match the music and doing more in syncronisation, rather than opting for a carrying lift, might help too?

I have loved watching Beth all through the competition and so delighted to see her win. Beth and Dan's Bolero was stunning. Beth is a hugely talented lady
Sadly the nasty Jason didn't clap when Beth won and Karen didn't exactly have a smile on face. I reckon jealousy could have been be their problem with her.

That's the point - Matt is not my favourite contestant - but he is my favourite skater. Unlike some - I am able to separate the two.

It certainly isn't me seeing through rose tinted specs.