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So, what was their problem with Beth?
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Saskia44
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I know I don't understand why they don't expand the music choices, they don't necessarily have to go for classic, classic music as you say there is a whole world of music that could be used you just need to look at the current comps and the range of music featuring there just now. It's getting mind numbing to keep hearing the same songs coming up year after year. Like this year having Samia do her props routine to "The Look" with the chair which was Daniella's prop week routine also with the chair, No More Tears had been used before as had Livin La Vida Loca and I'm sure there are probably others.

As bad as it sounds I think Chris could do with looking at the comps for some choreo inspiration I was watching the junior worlds and there were a lot of moves there that would be perfect for DOI and that would be achieveable for the celebs. There were even a couple of other moves that this year I thought would have been perfect for Beth.”

Nothing like a back-street driver.
crispih
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“ Maybe they just didnt want Dan to win for a third time? But if that is the case then they should have given her another partner and they only have themselves to blame. .”

Maybe true; Dan wining three times must prove he is good with his partners and gets the best out of them. Any sports person who has go to the top of thier sport has shown they have the frame of mind to practice, They are competitive and want to win.

Dan went in with 14/1 chance - make him a judge
Sally_Scott
11-03-2013
Jason's face at the end was a picture. He looked as if he had been slapped in the face with a wet fish. Well worth watching just for that.

Perhaps Matt wasn't that popular with viewers who knew nothing about skating? I am one of them, and found him very annoying. No doubt he was good, but the finer points went right over my head and the way he whooped and punched the air when he went through each week was very off putting
magstango
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Nothing like a back-street driver.”

Sorry Saskia44 but I totally agree with Tiggergirls comments. OK so I am a back seat drive too. Fingers crossed front seat drivers review the way the programme is organised so next years DOI is a lot more exciting.
Saskia44
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by magstango:
“Sorry Saskia44 but I totally agree with Tiggergirls comments. OK so I am a back seat drive too. Fingers crossed front seat drivers review the way the programme is organised so next years DOI is a lot more exciting.”

I agree the show was not as exciting this year - but that had nothing to do with Matt. At the end of the day - he was the best, and in my opinion, most entertaining skater.

Beth's performances were nice and graceful, she is a gymnast - but they lacked oomph! I do like a bit of oomph!
norbitonite
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I agree the show was not as exciting this year - but that had nothing to do with Matt. At the end of the day - he was the best, and in my opinion, most entertaining skater.

Beth's performances were nice and graceful, she is a gymnast - but they lacked oomph! I do like a bit of oomph!”

And that's fair enough. What is not is your continued implication that anyone who preferred Beth did so only because she had a more placid personality/they found Matt's self-confidence offputting.

I, and I suspect I am not alone, much preferred Beth's skating both from a technical perspective - it was clean and accurate - and latterly from the point of performance as I found her more graceful, lyrical style more to my taste than Matt's urban style moves.
Angel Mom
11-03-2013
If Karen takes a dislike to someone she can not hide it Jealously with regard to Beth is probably the reason, she's younger , fitter and a gold medalist at her sport. I think Karen has been trying to recapture her youth these last few years. Remember her in series one before she decided she wanted Chris Dean
Everybody thought she was so sweet and lovely at the start of DOI. I'm quite pleased she's showing her true colours. And poor Dan is a really nice lad but is very much influenced by Karen. It must be like being friends with a piranha, you never know when its going to bite!!!!!!!!
maureens
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“Beth and Dan won because they were the best skaters and didn't feel the need to give an Oscar acceptance speech every bloody time they stood by Pip.”

Wasnt Matt just "cringy" doing that everytime Schofield put the microphone to him, infact i found him not only cringy but patronising too...
Saskia44
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by norbitonite:
“And that's fair enough. What is not is your continued implication that anyone who preferred Beth did so only because she had a more placid personality/they found Matt's self-confidence offputting.

I, and I suspect I am not alone, much preferred Beth's skating both from a technical perspective - it was clean and accurate - and latterly from the point of performance as I found her more graceful, lyrical style more to my taste than Matt's urban style moves.”

It is not just an implication - several have said they liked Beth's humbleness and disliked Matt's arrogance - which rather proved my point I think.
Saskia44
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Angel Mom:
“If Karen takes a dislike to someone she can not hide it Jealously with regard to Beth is probably the reason, she's younger , fitter and a gold medalist at her sport. I think Karen has been trying to recapture her youth these last few years. Remember her in series one before she decided she wanted Chris Dean
Everybody thought she was so sweet and lovely at the start of DOI. I'm quite pleased she's showing her true colours. And poor Dan is a really nice lad but is very much influenced by Karen. It must be like being friends with a piranha, you never know when its going to bite!!!!!!!!”

I have read some nonsense on this thread - but to suggest Karen is jealous of Beth - is a step too ludicrous. I just thank god I am not so susceptible to paranoia as some.

It could just as easily be suggested that some are simply jealous of Karen's good looks and success.

She must be nearly twice the age of Beth - but still beats her hands down in the looks department.
Kolin Klingon
11-03-2013
Not just Beth. Let's face it, they were against anyone that wasn't Matt from the start.

Shayne was the first victim.

Matt just wasn't the vest skater that at all. He was clunky and not graceful at all. (which is an important part of Ice Dance) - He was more like an Ice Hockey player... Oh wait...
duchesse
11-03-2013
The thing that struck me was that whenever Jason made unkind personal comments to Beth 'you bore me to beth' and 'dead behind the eyes' to name two examples, she looked crushed but did not answer back or try to justify herself. She took it on board and worked on it with the discipline of a sportswoman although his comments must have hurt her.
Vodka_Drinka
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Kolin Klingon:
“Not just Beth. Let's face it, they were against anyone that wasn't Matt from the start.

Shayne was the first victim.

Matt just wasn't the vest skater that at all. He was clunky and not graceful at all. (which is an important part of Ice Dance) - He was more like an Ice Hockey player... Oh wait...”

You could argue that Gareth was a victim as well. They could have changed his flying routine to accommodate his health problems, but didn't. Gareth, when on form, was better than Matt. He also had the likability factor which Matt lacked. It would have been very embarrassing for the judges if it were a Beth/Gareth final two.
Angel Mom
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I have read some nonsense on this thread - but to suggest Karen is jealous of Beth - is a step too ludicrous. I just thank god I am not so susceptible to paranoia as some.

It could just as easily be suggested that some are simply jealous of Karen's good looks and success.

She must be nearly twice the age of Beth - but still beats her hands down in the looks department.”


Beth is an attractive enough young woman.
What use are good looks and success if you've got an ugly personality. I know which I'd prefer !
*Topaz*
11-03-2013
I didn't didn't understand the judges' probelm with Beth winning. Surely they must have known that given that she was the only person in the final not to have been in the bottom 2 that she had a strong likelihood of winning and surely they must have also known given that an Olympic Gymnast won on Strictly that it could also happen on DOI.

It's most pecuculiar the way they reacted to her win - I've never seen such a bad display from judges on a reality tv show in a long time! Even on Strictly where the judges had a similar problems with Louis that they had on DOI with Beth - ultimately in the final they had the good sense and decorum to show some fairness towards him and at least appear happy at his win.
yellowlabbie
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by duchesse:
“The thing that struck me was that whenever Jason made unkind personal comments to Beth 'you bore me to beth' and 'dead behind the eyes' to name two examples, she looked crushed but did not answer back or try to justify herself. She took it on board and worked on it with the discipline of a sportswoman although his comments must have hurt her.”

She was exemplary all the way through with everything she said and did. I think I would have punched him is he had said those things to me and I am not a violent woman.

Her family should be proud of her and I'm sure they are.
milliejo
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Really - and where exactly does this informed opinion come from - other than the depths of your paranoid mind. Please direct me to the evidence for such wild allegations.”

The point about sensuality is subjective..It is not something that can be manufactured and judging by his acting, Matt can't be convincing if he tries. A few arm moves and looking into Brianne's eyes do not make someone sensual. Beth has it without having to act.

If you are refering to my comments about Jason not liking sports stars, that is because he is consistantly nasty to them.
Remember his infamous comments about Sharron Davis..
ElectricBoy171
11-03-2013
They always seem to favour the male soapstar for some reason.
milliejo
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I have read some nonsense on this thread - but to suggest Karen is jealous of Beth - is a step too ludicrous. I just thank god I am not so susceptible to paranoia as some.

It could just as easily be suggested that some are simply jealous of Karen's good looks and success.

She must be nearly twice the age of Beth - but still beats her hands down in the looks department.”

Beth has achieved things that Karen has not. She has an Olympic medal, three world titles and has been at the very top of her sport.
Karen has achieved fame because she happened to be skating at the same time as Chris and Jayne, without them she would never have been noticed. She was not famous because she and Nicky were overly talented.
Nor would she have the job on DOI or be with Chris now.

Karen maybe to some more beautiful than Beth, she is also more beautiful than Jayne but the both have talent and titles that she does not have. Saying that Matt was the best was ridiculous.
Tissy
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by milliejo:
“The point about sensuality is subjective..It is not something that can be manufactured and judging by his acting, Matt can't be convincing if he tries. A few arm moves and looking into Brianne's eyes do not make someone sensual. Beth has it without having to act.

If you are refering to my comments about Jason not liking sports stars, that is because he is consistantly nasty to them.
Remember his infamous comments about Sharron Davis..”

And Kelly Holmes
scorpiogran
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by *Topaz*:
“I didn't didn't understand the judges' probelm with Beth winning. Surely they must have known that given that she was the only person in the final not to have been in the bottom 2 that she had a strong likelihood of winning and surely they must have also known given that an Olympic Gymnast won on Strictly that it could also happen on DOI.

It's most pecuculiar the way they reacted to her win - I've never seen such a bad display from judges on a reality tv show in a long time! Even on Strictly where the judges had a similar problems with Louis that they had on DOI with Beth - ultimately in the final they had the good sense and decorum to show some fairness towards him and at least appear happy at his win.”




I had to record the final, but have just watched it. I thought the ungraciousness of the panel was a disgrace. I had to rewind it a couple of times to be sure I was really seeing that. They should issue an appology.
angelofthenight
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I have read some nonsense on this thread - but to suggest Karen is jealous of Beth - is a step too ludicrous. I just thank god I am not so susceptible to paranoia as some.

It could just as easily be suggested that some are simply jealous of Karen's good looks and success.

She must be nearly twice the age of Beth - but still beats her hands down in the looks department.”

Is That you Karen????

And Im not joking this is a real question
As your attitude screams im Karen, you jump any anything to do with Matt or Karen. This post is a prime example..
xorosetylerxo
11-03-2013
Oh great it's Saskia44 again who believes if you don't think Matt was the best you're wrong because that's what the Robin and Karen said.

Do you appear when someone says Matt Saskia?
Saskia44
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by Angel Mom:
“Beth is an attractive enough young woman.
What use are good looks and success if you've got an ugly personality. I know which I'd prefer !”

Where is the evidence Karen has an ugly personality?

Usual wild allegations - from people who seem to view opinion as fact.
Saskia44
11-03-2013
Originally Posted by angelofthenight:
“Is That you Karen????

And Im not joking this is a real question
As your attitude screams im Karen, you jump any anything to do with Matt or Karen. This post is a prime example..”

Are you kidding - like you jump on anything to do with Matt or Beth. So it's alright for you - but not me. Really!
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