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Old 11-03-2013, 17:20
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Does any feel the reason why rock music is not popular these days,is Because band like Paramore and other Emo bands.All sound sad sour and dull and always morbid.Unlike dance music that is more upbeat coulourful and less sad and the same.
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:31
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Rock music is not as popular, because there are way more brainless people in the world, hence why generic dance music will always reign supreme, sales wise. That is it in a nutshell.

People into Paramore are mostly just pop/dance fans on a weekend off.
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:32
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Does any feel the reason why rock music is not popular these days,is Because band like Paramore and other Emo bands.All sound sad sour and dull and always morbid.Unlike dance music that is more upbeat coulourful and less sad and the same.
You really used Paramore as an example of "dull and morbid"? They have a lot of upbeat pop-rock songs.

Please try again.
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:33
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Rock never went downhill

Times just changed and the mainstream shifted
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:34
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Rock music has never gone down hill lol

Rock Bands from 60s/70s/80s are still going and not to mention bands that have sprung up in the 90s/00s etc. Silly question
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:36
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I don't mean that back in the 80's and 90's guitar band were less serious.And had more fun in what they did it seem the Foo Fighters are the only band that does that now.
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:37
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Rock hasn't gone downhill. There's plenty great stuff out there. It just doesn't get the airplay any more. The European metal scene is particularly lively. Somewhere along the line, the decision makers, for whatever reason, elected to stop British ears from being exposed to anything more than the most generic, mainstream sounds.
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:44
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I don't like it when current rock gets too big for it's boots anyway. It never works out for the fans. Look at how annoyed we got with nu-metal.

There is amazing rock music out there. But you have to LOOK for it.
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:46
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I don't like it when current rock gets too big for it's boots anyway. It never works out for the fans. Look at how annoyed we got with nu-metal.

There is amazing rock music out there. But you have to LOOK for it.
You certainly do.

What do you mean by getting too big for its boots? Could you give an example?
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Old 11-03-2013, 17:57
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Foo Fighters
Muse
You Me At Six
Biffy Clyro
Paramour

Downhill? Are you kidding?
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Old 11-03-2013, 18:07
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You certainly do.

What do you mean by getting too big for its boots? Could you give an example?
When i said that, i was thinking about the success of bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, and Slipknot. It became all about the big yank acts that all sounded exactly the same. The sales were HUGE in the US for many rock acts, and due to that, the UK didn't get as many gigs. That's what i was meaning about it being a bit too big for it's boots. Maybe i should have explained it better, but i'm multitasking like a madman atm.
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Old 11-03-2013, 18:10
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When i said that, i was thinking about the success of bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, and Slipknot. It became all about the big yank acts that all sounded exactly the same. The sales were HUGE in the US for many rock acts, and due to that, the UK didn't get as many gigs. That's what i was meaning about it being a bit too big for it's boots. Maybe i should have explained it better, but i'm multitasking like a madman atm.
Oh right. Yes, I completely agree with you. It all became a bit of an embarrassment in the end, didn't it? So many people rushing to distance themselves from nu-metal. Can't say I blame them tbh.
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Old 11-03-2013, 18:50
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dunno about going downhill but after 40 years of listening to rock im really boooorrred of it now.
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Old 11-03-2013, 19:02
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Rock doesn't need the media to survive... that's the difference between that and other genres. There's a crap load of bands packing out the stadiums still that popstars/rappers only wish they could fill.

If there's anything new to come onto the scene though, it's got to be either something that's not been heard in a long time, original and something fairly new.

Bands like U2, Nirvana, The Clash, Led Zeppelin all did that... they started a movement.

It's a difficult task because with every new band, you're going to be compared to the bands from previous years... so instantly alot of bands get pushed aside solely for that reason.
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Old 11-03-2013, 19:12
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You really used Paramore as an example of "dull and morbid"? They have a lot of upbeat pop-rock songs.

Please try again.
I agree. They're not too bad. I like some of their songs.
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Old 11-03-2013, 19:15
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Rock doesn't need the media to survive... that's the difference between that and other genres. There's a crap load of bands packing out the stadiums still that popstars/rappers only wish they could fill.

If there's anything new to come onto the scene though, it's got to be either something that's not been heard in a long time, original and something fairly new.

Bands like U2, Nirvana, The Clash, Led Zeppelin all did that... they started a movement.

It's a difficult task because with every new band, you're going to be compared to the bands from previous years... so instantly alot of bands get pushed aside solely for that reason.
That's a good point. Unlike the 'here today, gone tomorrow' world of pop, the rockers tend to just keep going, and going, and going. The big rock/metal festivals are still headlined by acts that have been going for 30 years or more, such as Iron Maiden. Or 20+ years - Rammstein or Slipknot.

There are a heck of a lot of good hard rock acts out there but it must be very difficult for them to reach anywhere near that top tier because the big boys just ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Old 11-03-2013, 19:45
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dunno about going downhill but after 40 years of listening to rock im really boooorrred of it now.
Oh dear - that's not good! (Hope it's just a silly phase you're going through!)

Have you got the new Biffy LP?
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Old 11-03-2013, 19:52
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I have a slightly different idea for the (general) decline in rock music: parents.

Listen to the rock legends from the old days and they will all tell a similar story: they heard someone like Chuck Berry on the radio and decided they wanted to play rock and roll; their parents wouldn't let them have a guitar so they went out and worked hard all summer until they could afford to buy one themselves; they start a band despite their parents wanting them to be a doctor or lawyer and thus embark on a rock career hungry, angry and keen to prove everyone wrong. Good recipe for a good rocker.

Nowadays if I book a teenage band for a gig then they will turn up in a van driven by their parents; all kitted out with expensive Gibsons, Marshalls etc. that their parents have bought and their parents even carry the gear into the venue for and set it up for them. The parents will be at the front cheering and clapping all gig and afterwards they will be the ones selling the CDs that they paid for to be recorded.

Unfortunately the music is usually bland, insipid drivel because they don't have anything to prove to anyone. "My mum says we're the best band in the world. That's good enough for me"

Ok, from a parenting perspective they are doing a good thing by being supportive and nurturing but from a rock n roll perspective they are screwing with the natural order of things.
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Old 11-03-2013, 20:02
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I think that if there is a problem is that we now have what are essentially 'boy bands' dressed up as rock. So the 'designer rock' is what gets pushed onto the music buying public.
The good rock, as I see it, is more rough, more raw, and more passionate, and isn't that bothered about pandering to the mainstream.

But good rock will still be out there. It's just that it may take a bit of effort on the listeners part to locate. Just don't expect the conventional media to spoonfeed it to you. Because it won't. It will have a preference to give you the commercially styled radio friendly stuff played by boy bands who are heavily styled and present it to you as 'cool'. The DJ will probably tell you that the band 'really rocked it out' as well.

Good rock, as I see it, and as with almost all genres of music, will probably have a strong DIY ethic and not be dictated by record company execs.
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Old 11-03-2013, 20:24
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I have a slightly different idea for the (general) decline in rock music: parents.

Listen to the rock legends from the old days and they will all tell a similar story: they heard someone like Chuck Berry on the radio and decided they wanted to play rock and roll; their parents wouldn't let them have a guitar so they went out and worked hard all summer until they could afford to buy one themselves; they start a band despite their parents wanting them to be a doctor or lawyer and thus embark on a rock career hungry, angry and keen to prove everyone wrong. Good recipe for a good rocker.

Nowadays if I book a teenage band for a gig then they will turn up in a van driven by their parents; all kitted out with expensive Gibsons, Marshalls etc. that their parents have bought and their parents even carry the gear into the venue for and set it up for them. The parents will be at the front cheering and clapping all gig and afterwards they will be the ones selling the CDs that they paid for to be recorded.

Unfortunately the music is usually bland, insipid drivel because they don't have anything to prove to anyone. "My mum says we're the best band in the world. That's good enough for me"

Ok, from a parenting perspective they are doing a good thing by being supportive and nurturing but from a rock n roll perspective they are screwing with the natural order of things.
I just don't think that parents would be all that proud of Strapping Young Lad, Blink 182, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, System of a Down, HIM, Korn etc.

But I get the point that you think that the rebellion has gone out of rock music and there is some truth in that. It was never just about the music.
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Old 11-03-2013, 20:29
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I just don't think that parents would be all that proud of Strapping Young Lad, Blink 182, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, System of a Down, HIM, Korn etc.

But I get the point that you think that the rebellion has gone out of rock music and there is some truth in that. It was never just about the music.
I watched the Brits the other week (have a granddaughter thats my excuse) and was wondering where are the bands who you don't know what to expect if they appear, they might come out drunk and swearing, or just does us all a favour and deck Corden
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Old 11-03-2013, 20:33
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I just don't think that parents would be all that proud of Strapping Young Lad, Blink 182, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, System of a Down, HIM, Korn etc.

But I get the point that you think that the rebellion has gone out of rock music and there is some truth in that. It was never just about the music.
All those bands are 20-odd years old.
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Old 11-03-2013, 20:33
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The bands are simply not as good as what they were 10-15 years ago. They do not have a cutting edge.
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Old 11-03-2013, 20:37
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I watched the Brits the other week (have a granddaughter thats my excuse) and was wondering where are the bands who you don't know what to expect if they appear, they might come out drunk and swearing, or just does us all a favour and deck Corden
Who were the last band to really put the frighteners on parents? The Prodigy with Firestarter perhaps? I'm struggling to think of much after that and that was nearly 20 years ago.

There are people in their 20s who have never experienced "dangerous" music and that is very, very sad.
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Old 11-03-2013, 20:40
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All those bands are 20-odd years old.
Yes, but they're the bands my kids listen to.

I'm the parent who listens to U2, The Who, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Dr Feelgood, The Sex Pistols, Talking Heads, The Velvet Underground, Joy Divison...etc, etc

Get the point?
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