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The judges owe Beth an apology
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Tiggergirl
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“Don't forget all the bitching about anyone who it is alleged didn't react in an 'appropriate' way to her win - which it seems includes all the judges, Matt, Brianne and anyone else who doesn't agree Beth was the best skater.

The bile directed at Brianne for basically not being a 'good girl' and daring not to act like some shy little wallflower is one giant step backwards for women and many of those spouting such bile are 'modern', young women. I am absolutely astonished at some of the antiquated attitudes on this forum.

If you don't recognise the hysteria - more fool you.

And if calling such people mad 'is not a good look' to you - but all such bitching is - then I won't waste my breath. ”

I am astonished at your rather aggressive attitude towards other posters on this board. You seem to have a rather defensive attitude to most of the posters and seem rather intent purely on starting fights.

Brianne and the judges are meant to be PROFESSIONALS therefore that means acting in a professional manner whatever the outcome. Not sitting there looking like you are sucking a crate of lemons and proceeding to throw a tantrum because the result didn't go your way which is basically what Brianne and Matt did by the less than gracious tweets and by refusing to go to the wrap party.

The judges are meant to be impartial and judge fairly not let their own personal biases influence them to the degree that has happened in this years DOI.

When the majority of people are saying the same thing then there is obviously a noticeable issue, its not jumping on a bandwagon and it's not hysteria. It is also not soley restricted to this forum.

Even Philip himself saw fit to question the judges expressions on This Morning so is he just being hysterical then as well because he thought their reaction was odd?.
petertard
12-03-2013
The judges were just arrogant, childish and disrespectful.
Saskia44
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“and I suppose agreeing to participate in tacky photoshoots to promote a romance which you then admit is fake is a step forward for women?”

The 'step forward' is the freedom of 'choice' without 'consequences'- ie. infantile name-calling!
diamond1
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“The 'step forward' is the freedom of 'choice' without 'consequences'.”

there are consequences with every choice .... just because she chooses to lie for money doesn't mean people can't call her for it and doesn't make her less tacky ... it just shows her as a not very flattering stereotype of some women today
Ignazio
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“The bandwagons on here have become excessively predictable and mind numbingly boring.

I have not seen so much hysteria over nothing for quite some time. You're all mad! Enjoy the bitchfest! ”

Originally Posted by don roberto:
“Well said! Reading this thread and you would think the world had come to an end last Sunday evening rather than a trivial matter in a not very entertaining programme on ITV!”

Why watch - why read?

Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“I share the concern at what seems to be overshadowing the series, but if you want a polite version, if Matt and Brianne really were that repellent and the judges really that biased, then Beth's victory and grace towards both groups should be vindication enough and perhaps guide the reactions of others.”

These were judges who wouldn't even understand the definition of impartiality and rudeness if the dictionary was put in front of them appropriately highlighted. I'd give them the OED opened at 'hubris' but they wouldn't understand

Yes - Beth was as always the personification of dignity but if everyone stayed silent the biased, unprofessional judges could (and would) sit back in their chairs still completely oblivious to the fact that their behaviour was not only unacceptable and unprofessional but also self satisfied and arrogant.

I'm not a tweeter but might I ask those who are to provide a link to this thread - if only to remind that omniscient foursome ( Robin, Karen, Ashley and Jason) that they are neither Godlike nor infallible. The GBP have four fingers and are more than capable of saluting you with one or two of them.

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“No world ending just a bunch of stupid judges disrespecting a young woman they didn't approve of winning. Shame on them and anyone who thinks it is OK to be disrespectful for the sake of a programme.

I do wonder why you bothered to watch a programme you think is not very entertaining or did you not watch at all?”

And why bother to read a thread based upon the trivialities of a less than entertaining show?
diamond1
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“The 'step forward' is the freedom of 'choice' without 'consequences'- ie. infantile name-calling!”

yet you seem to continually name call posters on this forum for what they post

Surely they also have the freedom to have opinions and "choose" what they post without 'consequences'
Saskia44
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“yet you seem to continually name call posters on this forum for what they post

Surely they also have the freedom to have opinions and "choose" what they post without 'consequences'”

That isn't sexist.

And besides - that works both ways. Are your eyes conveniently not seeing all the snide remarks aimed at anyone who points out that Matt was the better skater, including the judges, who apparently don't know what their talking about - we are all just bitter, apparently.
Saskia44
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Why watch - why read?


These were judges who wouldn't even understand the definition of impartiality and rudeness if the dictionary was put in front of them appropriately highlighted. I'd give them the OED opened at 'hubris' but they wouldn't understand

Yes - Beth was as always the personification of dignity but if everyone stayed silent the biased, unprofessional judges could (and would) sit back in their chairs still completely oblivious to the fact that their behaviour was not only unacceptable and unprofessional but also self satisfied and arrogant.

I'm not a tweeter but might I ask those who are to provide a link to this thread - if only to remind that omniscient foursome ( Robin, Karen, Ashley and Jason) that they are neither Godlike nor infallible. The GBP have four fingers and are more than capable of saluting you with one or two of them.


And why bother to read a thread based upon the trivialities of a less than entertaining show?”

I imagine the use of 'one or two-fingers' is the usual way they express themselves. Very classy!
diamond1
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“That isn't sexist.

And besides - that works both ways. Are your eyes conveniently not seeing all the snide remarks aimed at anyone who points out that Matt was the better skater, including the judges, who apparently don't know what their talking about - we are all just bitter, apparently.”

I'm not the one name calling other posters for their opinions

There's faults on both sides ... is you calling other posters mad any different to calling people bitter?


plus how are the comments about Brianne sexist ?.she can come across as hardfaced and does seem to jump from one DOI person to another (sometimes just for publicity).... Sam got stick for it ... as has Sylvain
Saskia44
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“I'm not the one name calling other posters for their opinions

There's faults on both sides


plus how are the comments about Brianne sexist ?.she can come across as hardfaced and does seem to jump from one DOI person to another (sometimes just for publicity).... Sam got stick for it ... as has Sylvain”

I don't recall them being accused of 'whoring themselves', or being cheap or rough - or having to endure spiteful digs at their looks.

It is all a primitive way of attempting to control the way women behave. I find it very sad, in this day and age.
yellowlabbie
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I don't recall them being accused of 'whoring themselves', or being cheap or rough - or having to endure spiteful digs at their looks.

It is all a primitive way of attempting to control the way women behave. I find it very sad, in this day and age.”

This is a cheap shot, how many posters have used the term 'whoring themselves'? One maybe?
diamond1
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I don't recall them being accused of 'whoring themselves', or being cheap or rough - or having to endure spiteful digs at their looks.

It is all a primitive way of attempting to control the way women behave. I find it very sad, in this day and age.”

I guess many women (and men) behave in ways that show them in an unfavourable light to some
amelie74
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I agree with the OP, every judge should stand up and apologise to Beth for their behaviour during the final and an extra sorry from Jason for the horrible things he said to her throughout the show.
I am honestly gobsmacked at their behaviour and their reaction to the result. What were they doing disrespecting a wonderful young lady in this way. Who do they think they are? I am seriously annoyed.”

I was so annoyed I contacted ITV by email saying that the judges behaviour to Beth was disrespectful and they should be made to apologise. Their response was 'your comments have been noted'. I think they just hope it will all go away and people will forget.
Saskia44
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“I guess many women (and men) behave in ways that show them in an unfavourable light to some”

Undoubtedly - but it is the usual negative mass reaction that usually follows certain behaviours from women that really gets my goat, I'm afraid.
yellowlabbie
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by amelie74:
“I was so annoyed I contacted ITV by email saying that the judges behaviour to Beth was disrespectful and they should be made to apologise. Their response was 'your comments have been noted'. I think they just hope it will all go away and people will forget.”

Well done to you, at least you made a protest.

I may do the same.
Ignazio
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I imagine the use of 'one or two-fingers' is the usual way they express themselves. Very classy!”

Not as déclassée as the judges who found it impossible to swallow their bile when their chosen one fell at the final hurdle.
Saskia44
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I am astonished at your rather aggressive attitude towards other posters on this board. You seem to have a rather defensive attitude to most of the posters and seem rather intent purely on starting fights.

Brianne and the judges are meant to be PROFESSIONALS therefore that means acting in a professional manner whatever the outcome. Not sitting there looking like you are sucking a crate of lemons and proceeding to throw a tantrum because the result didn't go your way which is basically what Brianne and Matt did by the less than gracious tweets and by refusing to go to the wrap party.

The judges are meant to be impartial and judge fairly not let their own personal biases influence them to the degree that has happened in this years DOI.

When the majority of people are saying the same thing then there is obviously a noticeable issue, its not jumping on a bandwagon and it's not hysteria. It is also not soley restricted to this forum.

Even Philip himself saw fit to question the judges expressions on This Morning so is he just being hysterical then as well because he thought their reaction was odd?.”

I'm aggressive - I suggest you re-read many of the posts from people who share your opinion, including yours if I remember rightly.

I don't agree, like many others, that the judges have behaved unprofessionally. That is just the hysterical opinion of many on the DOI forum - which is a very small fish in a very large pond.

Philip is simply acting as 'mediator' in an attempt to to pacify the hysterics. It is his job to be seen as giving a fair hearing to all.
yellowlabbie
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I'm aggressive - I suggest you re-read many of the posts from people who share your opinion, including yours if I remember rightly.

I don't agree, like many others, that the judges have behaved unprofessionally. That is just the hysterical opinion of many on the DOI forum - which is a very small fish in a very large pond.

Philip is simply acting as 'mediator' in an attempt to to pacify the hysterics. It is his job to be seen as giving a fair hearing to all.”

So you think it is OK not to stand and clap when Beth won and to look as if they were happy for her? This is very unprofessional.
Saskia44
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“So you think it is OK not to stand and clap when Beth won and to look as if they were happy for her? This is very unprofessional.”

I don't know - maybe they were just shocked. I don't believe they would intentionally ignore and belittle Beth's win, even if they believed the decision was totally wrong. I do believe they are more professional than that.

I think many people got carried away with what other people said about the judges so-called reaction and the whole thing just got blown out of all proportion.

Btw - has Beth herself passed any comments on this? Does she feel the judges belittled her win? I have not heard anyone saying so.
kp2ni
12-03-2013
Whether or not they agreed with the result the judges should have been professional by standing up and congratulations Beth on winning. At the end of the day the public picks the winner every series and they picked Beth. They have stood for every other winner whether they agreed with the outcome or not.
Cassy990
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I'm aggressive - I suggest you re-read many of the posts from people who share your opinion, including yours if I remember rightly.

I don't agree, like many others, that the judges have behaved unprofessionally. That is just the hysterical opinion of many on the DOI forum - which is a very small fish in a very large pond.

Philip is simply acting as 'mediator' in an attempt to to pacify the hysterics. It is his job to be seen as giving a fair hearing to all.”

BIB maybe you should start a thread or poll on that topic and see how many actually agree with you. From what I can see you'll be able to count them on one hand.
There are no hysterics . . . I wonder if your attitude would have been the same if it had been Matt rather than Beth who the judges behaved so badly towards . . . I imagine not.
yellowlabbie
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Saskia44:
“I don't know - maybe they were just shocked. I don't believe they would intentionally ignore and belittle Beth's win, even if they believed the decision was totally wrong. I do believe they are more professional than that.

I think many people got carried away with what other people said about the judges so-called reaction and the whole thing just got blown out of all proportion.

Btw - has Beth herself passed any comments on this? Does she feel the judges belittled her win? I have not heard anyone saying so.”

Why should the judges be shocked, Beth had never been in the bottom 2 and there was no doubt she was popular.

Beth is too professional to make any comment, she showed this all the way through the show. She just got on with it, even when Jason was very rude to her on many occasions, she took it well.

The judges looked like idiots imo. They rammed Matt down the GBP throats hoping to get him votes but the GBP weren't listening, thank goodness.
Bandita
12-03-2013
I couldn't care less what Brianne does in her spare time, I didn't vote because I thought they both had merit. I just think it wouldn't have hurt the judges to stand up and applaud the winner.
yellowlabbie
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Cassy990:
“BIB maybe you should start a thread or poll on that topic and see how many actually agree with you. From what I can see you'll be able to count them on one hand.
There are no hysterics . . . I wonder if your attitude would have been the same if it had been Matt rather than Beth who the judges behaved so badly towards . . . I imagine not.”

Now that's a good point.
unknownstuntman
12-03-2013
Originally Posted by kp2ni:
“Whether or not they agreed with the result the judges should have been professional by standing up and congratulations Beth on winning. At the end of the day the public picks the winner every series and they picked Beth. They have stood for every other winner whether they agreed with the outcome or not.”

Indeed, there's no excuse for simple bad manners. Which were evident from all 4 judges.

Although maybe Ashley was confused by the behaviour of the others.
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