Hey guys and girls, I was wondering considering the success of SCD with whether DOI should be run the same sort of way with transparency and integrity. 
What do you guys and girls think?
What do you guys and girls think?
Should DOI take SCDs hints of how to run a show?
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Hey guys and girls, I was wondering considering the success of SCD with whether DOI should be run the same sort of way with transparency and integrity.
What do you guys and girls think?
”
“Hey guys and girls, I was wondering considering the success of SCD with whether DOI should be run the same sort of way with transparency and integrity.
What do you guys and girls think?
”
Strictly had a moment arguably even worse than Dancing Ice, with the farce surrounding the sixth series.
Series six, for those who don't know or have forgotten...
Spoiler
What the farcical scenes of series six did, though, was to give the show in general a big kick up the backside. Maybe the events of Sunday night will do the same thing for Dancing on Ice.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Strictly had a moment arguably even worse than Dancing Ice, with the farce surrounding the sixth series.
Series six, for those who don't know or have forgotten...
What the farcical scenes of series six did, though, was to give the show in general a big kick up the backside. Maybe the events of Sunday night will do the same thing for Dancing on Ice.”
“Strictly had a moment arguably even worse than Dancing Ice, with the farce surrounding the sixth series.
Series six, for those who don't know or have forgotten...
Spoiler
What the farcical scenes of series six did, though, was to give the show in general a big kick up the backside. Maybe the events of Sunday night will do the same thing for Dancing on Ice.”
You have to admit that SCD more people can engage with it and you feel more comfortable watching it kinda like. With DOI this year I didn't feel comfortable at all watching virtually despite beths victory. Also Craig didn't grumble at Louis winning like Jason did with Beth and Craig criticized Louis frequently. Craig would have given Beth respect regardless to her victory or not.
DOI cannot seem to do much right currently and need to make a lot of adjustments for next year wheras SCD needs to make minimal changes if any. That is the difference.
Originally Posted by TraceyUK:
“Interesting as Strictly poached DOI's producer this year and DOI went downhill”
“Interesting as Strictly poached DOI's producer this year and DOI went downhill”
And it has worked really well for SCD lol.
Glenn has fitted onto SCD like a hand in a glove.
I think I preferred Dancing on Ice 2013 to Strictly 2012 - I think I had the opposite problem to you, Paul; I connected with more people on Dancing On Ice than I did Strictly. Worth noting Strictly's ratings did take a dip on the year before but people didn't really take notice of it because of The X Factor's much bigger decline.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think I preferred Dancing on Ice 2013 to Strictly 2012 - I think I had the opposite problem to you, Paul; I connected with more people on Dancing On Ice than I did Strictly. Worth noting Strictly's ratings did take a dip on the year before but people didn't really take notice of it because of The X Factor's much bigger decline.”
“I think I preferred Dancing on Ice 2013 to Strictly 2012 - I think I had the opposite problem to you, Paul; I connected with more people on Dancing On Ice than I did Strictly. Worth noting Strictly's ratings did take a dip on the year before but people didn't really take notice of it because of The X Factor's much bigger decline.”
A thing that ruined DOI to me Fudd was the judging panel and you wouldn't see say like Craig grumble because his fave didn't win. Jason and Karen were disgusting towards Beth and they knew it yet still reciprocated the favouritism towards matt and were trying to get the final to suit him too.
Nah Craig was pretty satisfied with Louis winning SCD although Louis wasn't his ideal winner. Jason and Karen were just like school bullies and weren't happy that Beth won. It was evident.
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“A thing that ruined DOI to me Fudd was the judging panel and you wouldn't see say like Craig grumble because his fave didn't win. Jason and Karen were disgusting towards Beth and they knew it yet still reciprocated the favouritism towards matt and were trying to get the final to suit him too.
Nah Craig was pretty satisfied with Louis winning SCD although Louis wasn't his ideal winner. Jason and Karen were just like school bullies and weren't happy that Beth won. It was evident.”
“A thing that ruined DOI to me Fudd was the judging panel and you wouldn't see say like Craig grumble because his fave didn't win. Jason and Karen were disgusting towards Beth and they knew it yet still reciprocated the favouritism towards matt and were trying to get the final to suit him too.
Nah Craig was pretty satisfied with Louis winning SCD although Louis wasn't his ideal winner. Jason and Karen were just like school bullies and weren't happy that Beth won. It was evident.
”
Don't forget the shenanigans of series six - three of the panel remain today from that dark episode.
Saying that, I agree they need to revamp the panel. Nicky, Katarina, Louis and Craig (from SCD) would be my perfect four (I said Robin last night, but after today's antics...!)
Three are possible...I don't think the BBC would release Craig to do it though.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Don't forget the shenanigans of series six - three of the panel remain today from that dark episode.
Saying that, I agree they need to revamp the panel. Nicky, Katarina, Louis and Craig (from SCD) would be my perfect four (I said Robin last night, but after today's antics...!)
Three are possible...I don't think the BBC would release Craig to do it though.”
“Don't forget the shenanigans of series six - three of the panel remain today from that dark episode.
Saying that, I agree they need to revamp the panel. Nicky, Katarina, Louis and Craig (from SCD) would be my perfect four (I said Robin last night, but after today's antics...!)
Three are possible...I don't think the BBC would release Craig to do it though.”
You have to admit that generally that SCD has more stability and judges who have obviously learned from their mistakes which is great.
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“You have to admit that generally that SCD has more stability and judges who have obviously learned from their mistakes which is great.”
“You have to admit that generally that SCD has more stability and judges who have obviously learned from their mistakes which is great.
”
I think SCD will also see a ratings decline this year. I think people are just tiring of these reality tv shows. SCD had a very good celebrity line up last year and it came right after the Olympics. Can it sustain it this year. It remains to be seen.
not really - SCD changed the final line-up rules this year to guarantee their golden girl a place in the final
"transparency and integrity"
WHAT!!! With all that pushing Denise down our throats as their chosen one and deliberately marking down Louis and giving him disgustingly negative comments?
That was the first time I watched SCD and thought that is a was cut above other shows - I was shocked to find out that it was just as corrupt as all the rest.
WHAT!!! With all that pushing Denise down our throats as their chosen one and deliberately marking down Louis and giving him disgustingly negative comments?
That was the first time I watched SCD and thought that is a was cut above other shows - I was shocked to find out that it was just as corrupt as all the rest.
The one thing I think DOI can learn from Strictly is that the panel needs to have a sense of fun & not take it all so seriously. There really was no joy or any warmth from the panel this year.
Honestly judging by their reactions you'd have thought it was the Olympics not a celeb reality show.
Honestly judging by their reactions you'd have thought it was the Olympics not a celeb reality show.
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“The one thing I think DOI can learn from Strictly is that the panel needs to have a sense of fun & not take it all so seriously. Thee really was no joy or any warmth from the panel this year.
Honestly judging by their reactions you'd have thought it was the Olympics not a celeb reality show.”
“The one thing I think DOI can learn from Strictly is that the panel needs to have a sense of fun & not take it all so seriously. Thee really was no joy or any warmth from the panel this year.
Honestly judging by their reactions you'd have thought it was the Olympics not a celeb reality show.”
People on scd are generally more united anyway and the judges seem more relaxed around each other wheras DOI judges seemed divided and not on par with each other at all.
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“The one thing I think DOI can learn from Strictly is that the panel needs to have a sense of fun & not take it all so seriously. There really was no joy or any warmth from the panel this year.
Honestly judging by their reactions you'd have thought it was the Olympics not a celeb reality show.”
“The one thing I think DOI can learn from Strictly is that the panel needs to have a sense of fun & not take it all so seriously. There really was no joy or any warmth from the panel this year.
Honestly judging by their reactions you'd have thought it was the Olympics not a celeb reality show.”
You mean the pantomine acting from the judges. Yes it was fun for a while on Strictly but now I find it boring and contrived, darling.
I think DOI has no atmosphere or sense of fun and I think mainly that is down to the panel and presenters-Say what you like about Bruce and Tess but they definitely seem to do a better job than Pip and Christine at engaging the audience. There's also less to judge in Ice Dance, most people know roughly what a good Tango/Quickstep etc.. is but there's no defined 'theme' to DOI so I think its boring in that sense too. Also, since they tried to copy Strictly (4 Judges, marks out of ten rather than 6 etc....) it seems to have gone downhill as it looks a cheap copy-They need to decide on a tone, not somewhere between serious and light as it is now
Originally Posted by petertard:
“Is there anywhere the DOI equivalent of Darcey Bussell to judge ice dance ?”
“Is there anywhere the DOI equivalent of Darcey Bussell to judge ice dance ?”
Not sure and it would be awesome if there was.
Originally Posted by tobi:
“You mean the pantomine acting from the judges. Yes it was fun for a while on Strictly but now I find it boring and contrived, darling.”
“You mean the pantomine acting from the judges. Yes it was fun for a while on Strictly but now I find it boring and contrived, darling.”
Quite sad to see that you aren't a fan of SCD anymore as there are tons of people who are still a fan. I think scd generally is a well respected show. The difference between scd and DOI is there was more consistent scoring on scd. Yeah ratings may be slipping but not enough for the show to be pulled the plug on.
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“I think DOI has no atmosphere or sense of fun and I think mainly that is down to the panel and presenters-Say what you like about Bruce and Tess but they definitely seem to do a better job than Pip and Christine at engaging the audience. There's also less to judge in Ice Dance, most people know roughly what a good Tango/Quickstep etc.. is but there's no defined 'theme' to DOI so I think its boring in that sense too. Also, since they tried to copy Strictly (4 Judges, marks out of ten rather than 6 etc....) it seems to have gone downhill as it looks a cheap copy-They need to decide on a tone, not somewhere between serious and light as it is now”
“I think DOI has no atmosphere or sense of fun and I think mainly that is down to the panel and presenters-Say what you like about Bruce and Tess but they definitely seem to do a better job than Pip and Christine at engaging the audience. There's also less to judge in Ice Dance, most people know roughly what a good Tango/Quickstep etc.. is but there's no defined 'theme' to DOI so I think its boring in that sense too. Also, since they tried to copy Strictly (4 Judges, marks out of ten rather than 6 etc....) it seems to have gone downhill as it looks a cheap copy-They need to decide on a tone, not somewhere between serious and light as it is now”
I agree about the lack of fun. i can't think of many marking fields where its recommended to go on and with negatives about all the people being marked bar one . You encourage every one as much as possible, and you never ever downplay someone elses achievements to make someone else look good. It also just makes the show look bad, convinces the audience that its not high quality, suggest no improvement, and suggest there's no compettion - the opposite of what you wnat to do.
Not sure about SCD comparison. Ultimately DOI is about whether people enjoy a performance because its dramatic, exciting or artistic or emotional, and whether, if there's a task, they manage to do it. SCD has a lot more in the way of set steps and conventions that t need to be obeyed - so you might expect the judges to be making more technique comments, and the. public to follow them. SCD can do this and still make things look exciting, new, and entertaining, because its dances are different and have their own styles, and because its contestants are not worrying about following over. DOI seems to have forgotten it depends on being exciting, and engaging us, and providing a real compettion - or all we have is a series of very similar routines leading to a known finish . The gap is closing because Strictly has put less attention on the steps and more on entertainment in recent years , and last year came me up with a good compromise - which if anything, makes DOI's task more difficult. DOI really needs a positive atmosphere, a close race, and better routines if its going to compete.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“I agree about the lack of fun. i can't think of many marking fields where its recommended to go on and with negatives about all the people being marked bar one . You encourage every one as much as possible, and you never ever downplay someone elses achievements to make someone else look good. It also just makes the show look bad, convinces the audience that its not high quality, suggest no improvement, and suggest there's no compettion - the opposite of what you wnat to do.
Not sure about SCD comparison. Ultimately DOI is about whether people enjoy a performance because its dramatic, exciting or artistic or emotional, and whether, if there's a task, they manage to do it. SCD has a lot more in the way of set steps and conventions that t need to be obeyed - so you might expect the judges to be making more technique comments, and the. public to follow them. SCD can do this and still make things look exciting, new, and entertaining, because its dances are different and have their own styles, and because its contestants are not worrying about following over. DOI seems to have forgotten it depends on being exciting, and engaging us, and providing a real compettion - or all we have is a series of very similar routines leading to a known finish . The gap is closing because Strictly has put less attention on the steps and more on entertainment in recent years , and last year came me up with a good compromise - which if anything, makes DOI's task more difficult. DOI really needs a positive atmosphere, a close race, and better routines if its going to compete.”
“I agree about the lack of fun. i can't think of many marking fields where its recommended to go on and with negatives about all the people being marked bar one . You encourage every one as much as possible, and you never ever downplay someone elses achievements to make someone else look good. It also just makes the show look bad, convinces the audience that its not high quality, suggest no improvement, and suggest there's no compettion - the opposite of what you wnat to do.
Not sure about SCD comparison. Ultimately DOI is about whether people enjoy a performance because its dramatic, exciting or artistic or emotional, and whether, if there's a task, they manage to do it. SCD has a lot more in the way of set steps and conventions that t need to be obeyed - so you might expect the judges to be making more technique comments, and the. public to follow them. SCD can do this and still make things look exciting, new, and entertaining, because its dances are different and have their own styles, and because its contestants are not worrying about following over. DOI seems to have forgotten it depends on being exciting, and engaging us, and providing a real compettion - or all we have is a series of very similar routines leading to a known finish . The gap is closing because Strictly has put less attention on the steps and more on entertainment in recent years , and last year came me up with a good compromise - which if anything, makes DOI's task more difficult. DOI really needs a positive atmosphere, a close race, and better routines if its going to compete.”
Think that's all down to mark linsey who really has got the best out of the show and made it fun for us guys and girls to watch. Also there are more pro routines on SCD which adds more sparkle, the amount of pro routines on DOI has been few and far between if any.
