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Old 13-03-2013, 11:11
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I've been re-watching the boxsets of Heroes recently and i've fallen back in love with the show. Such a great show. Really wish it didn't get cancelled, could of gone on a lot longer!

I just wanted to hear everyones thoughts on the show? What did you think of it? Characters you liked/hated? Storylines you liked/hated?

I know everyone says the show went downhill after season 1 and lost it's way but i don't think the later seasons are as bad as people make out. The storylines were best in season 1 because everything was fresh and it was all about them getting/experimenting with their powers! Even though everyone hated it, season 2 was my favourite season!

Favourite characters were Nicki, Micha, Daphne & Claire. Hiro & Ando really annoy me at times.
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Old 13-03-2013, 11:19
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Re-watching on Netfix, its amazing how much you forget

Favourite: Sylar
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Old 13-03-2013, 12:26
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I gave up somewhere in season 3 when they ditched whatever the storyline was on and went out to the desert and introduced a new storyline about a previous generation of heroes back in the 60s.
The show had no focus. Bad guys became good guys, then swapped back at the drop of a hat. Horn Rim Specs mad is bad, no he's good, oh look he's bad again. Sylar is the ulimate villain, oh no he's good now, or is he? nathan, well you know...
Powers were given and taken at the drop of the same hat. Peter can everything, no he can't do anything. Hiro can change time and can save them all, oh wait he can't anymore.
Storylines drifted and faded never really being resolved. Every time you think a story is going somewhere they ditch it and invent a whole new thread to drift and fade for half a season.
Interesting characters like Adam get killed off leaving rather dull ones.

It needed focus, direction and thought. It had some interesting characters and a premise that could have been developed into a good show. But they never fulfilled the promise of season 1.
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Old 13-03-2013, 12:47
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I'm afraid I also bailed on this quite early on.

For me it dipped seriously in the final episode of series 1 when the big finale of the whole season turned out to be a bit of a damp squib (and managed to take place in the emptiest square in the whole of New York).

I stuck with the second season for a while, and didn't even mind the length of time they took with Hiro in Japan, but when they started reusing stories and flipping everyone's alligence around I just didn't care about it any more.
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Old 13-03-2013, 14:04
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Enjoyed the first series but with each subsequent series it just became more and more of a chore to watch each week.

The main issue for me was that there was never any real sense of danger or tension after season 1. Main characters would die than be back again the next week or next series through various means so there was no sense of loss for them (the last series of Lost had a similar issue for me but there was at least a decent reason for seeing old characters again there). Plus, it had the potential to be so much more than it became. Actually that would pretty much sum up Heroes for me - Wasted potential.

As has been noted above as well, too many people were gaining and losing powers and it was just one big mess after a while. And as for the end of series 3 with the whole Sylar-Peter-Nathan showdown (BEHIND A CLOSED FRIKKIN DOOR!!!!) the less said about that the better.

I think it ended at the right time though ironically I would have liked to have seen what happened after the final episode aired!! Maybe a TV movie or two but I guess that ship has long since sailed now.
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Old 13-03-2013, 15:04
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I gave up during Season 3 but if given the chance, would like to re-watch the show from start to finish

I saw clips of the season 4 finale and it left it rather open ended which i liked. I liked that it ended with revealing their powers to the world. While it would of made a great season 5 storyline, it leaves you with your own imagination and opinion on what could of happened.
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Old 13-03-2013, 18:08
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I gave up somewhere in season 3 when they ditched whatever the storyline was on and went out to the desert and introduced a new storyline about a previous generation of heroes back in the 60s.
The show had no focus. Bad guys became good guys, then swapped back at the drop of a hat. Horn Rim Specs mad is bad, no he's good, oh look he's bad again. Sylar is the ulimate villain, oh no he's good now, or is he? nathan, well you know...
Powers were given and taken at the drop of the same hat. Peter can everything, no he can't do anything. Hiro can change time and can save them all, oh wait he can't anymore.
Storylines drifted and faded never really being resolved. Every time you think a story is going somewhere they ditch it and invent a whole new thread to drift and fade for half a season.
Interesting characters like Adam get killed off leaving rather dull ones.

It needed focus, direction and thought. It had some interesting characters and a premise that could have been developed into a good show. But they never fulfilled the promise of season 1.
You just saved me a lot of typing. That.

I bailed on season 3 too. I was angry at how much the writers misunderstood what they had and completely ruined it.

Season 1 was a classic. I (literally the other day) gave that box set away to charity. The mess they made of it after the writers strike etc, ruined the memory of the good stuff for me. Such a shame.
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Old 13-03-2013, 18:16
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I was obsessed with this show at one stage. Peter was my favourite character, plus his original ability was the coolest. I think the show messed up and got too complicated from season 3. Season 4 was OK, but I really didn't like the ending. It's a shame the show ended as it had some great characters and actors in it, and decent special effects as well. I re-watched the whole series last year, but might have to do it again soon.
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Old 13-03-2013, 18:28
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I gave up somewhere in season 3 when they ditched whatever the storyline was on and went out to the desert and introduced a new storyline about a previous generation of heroes back in the 60s.
The show had no focus. Bad guys became good guys, then swapped back at the drop of a hat. Horn Rim Specs mad is bad, no he's good, oh look he's bad again. Sylar is the ulimate villain, oh no he's good now, or is he? nathan, well you know...
Powers were given and taken at the drop of the same hat. Peter can everything, no he can't do anything. Hiro can change time and can save them all, oh wait he can't anymore.
Storylines drifted and faded never really being resolved. Every time you think a story is going somewhere they ditch it and invent a whole new thread to drift and fade for half a season.
Interesting characters like Adam get killed off leaving rather dull ones.

It needed focus, direction and thought. It had some interesting characters and a premise that could have been developed into a good show. But they never fulfilled the promise of season 1.
Best post i've read for a while.
You got further than me. I gave up mid way through season 2.
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Old 13-03-2013, 18:35
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I gave up 3 episodes into Volume 5. It had completely lost its characterisation and direction by then.

Volumes 1-3 had characters who I really liked, whether protaganist or antagonist.

Volumes 4-5 changed characters too much and introduced ones who I just didn't like at all.

As with all American TV shows - there's alot of gold in there - but because they have seasons so large, there's also an abundence of pointless filler episodes that don't advance plot, characters or anything.

I think it's a show that would have benefitted heavily from the UK extended production style of 13 episodes. I reckon it'd still be around today.
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Old 13-03-2013, 19:37
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I watched it right through to the bitter end.

Season 1 was excellent, but I think it got progressively worse from season 2 onwards.
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Old 13-03-2013, 21:44
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I watched it right through to the bitter end.

Season 1 was excellent, but I think it got progressively worse from season 2 onwards.
This is my thoughts too. It was a shame as it started so great too.
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Old 13-03-2013, 22:13
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I thought season 1 was over-rated and some later seasons were under-rated.

Season 1 had a lot of dull plots. Much of Hiro's journey annoyed me (eg his meeting the woman called Hope, or whatever it was). I quite liked Nikki but I know others didn't like her story. It also had some great episodes (eg, "Company Man").

Second season and onwards were OK for a while. For me the first real sign of a problem was Peter taking his girlfriend into the future, leaving her there, and then changing the present so that future never happened. It bothered me; it ought to have bothered Peter. It obviously didn't bother the writers. If they didn't care about their characters, why should we?

The season where Sylar was good I could cope with for a while. I was content to believe that Sylar was experimenting with his new family and hadn't really changed his spots. Unfortunately the show believed its own deception and had Peter turn evil. When Sylar reverted to form, it was too late and all coherence was gone. The show was generally mis-managed, with new and potentially interesting characters getting introduced but then dismissed, while old ones (like Sylar, and Nikki's sisters) kept on far too long. They didn't manage the abilities well, eg Peter getting too powerful and having to be given memory loss, or introducing shape-shifters (which undermines everything in my view).

I gave up without watching the final season. It's a shame that a show with so much potential was so mis-handled.
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Old 13-03-2013, 23:57
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I too loved this show, bought all of the boxsets after it finished.
My absolute favourite was Sylar! Also like Peter, Hiro, Noah and Micah. Couldn't Stanford Mohinder, Claire and Nathan after a while! And I hated Matts wife!

I agree Season one was the best, Season two was dodgy at times but I guess that was largely due to the writers strike at the time. The Japan stuff bored me but it was a great twist that Takezo Kensai was Adam Monroe and he was Kaitos killer!
I did like a lot of aspects of Seasons 3 and 4 like the introduction of Arthur Petrelli and Danko was quite a good character I thought, Sylar trying to be good lol, Samuel was an interesting character but the whole making Sylar believe he was Nathan was just pushing it!

Nevertheless I still watched till the end, and was absolutely gutted it didn't get renewed! I would've loved to see how they all dealt with everyone knowing about their powers. I had hoped they'd do a movie but that seems highly unlikely now
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Old 14-03-2013, 01:06
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Season One was (to me) one of the best seasons of any show I've seen before or since. It was a bit different, superbly made, with great effects. The writer's strike wrecked it in season two and it never recovered. I gave up part way through season three/four, can't remember which since anything after 1 was forgettable.
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Old 14-03-2013, 09:03
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S1 was good, then yes it went downhill, but I liked the carny villain they introduced at the end, until they ruined that too
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Old 14-03-2013, 09:55
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S1 was fresh, new and imaginative.
Unfortunately, all the writers ever had was encapsulated in that series. After that they ran out of ideas and really didn't have anything new to offer.

When characters dont stay dead, the audience catches on pretty quick and the whole dramatic tension of killing them off is removed. While the body count in S1 was pretty high, after that it just turned into a gore-fest - dull, dull, dull.
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Old 16-03-2013, 01:55
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Plus, it had the potential to be so much more than it became. Actually that would pretty much sum up Heroes for me - Wasted potential.
This is exactly what I think. I get quite frustrated watching it knowing how fantastic it could've been but it was, as you say, wasted.

Season 1 was my favourite overall, although I preferred Sylar in the other seasons and was partly why the show remained watchable in Seasons 2 and 3 for me. Season 4 I thought started to get back on track, they found a good storyline and managed to get a whole season's arc out of it. I actually liked the way it ended, it came full circle and so I thought it wasn't necessarily a bad thing it never returned.

There was a lot of things about the show I didn't like, such as Milo Ventimiglia's lack of acting, forgetting moments in the early seasons later on, the rehashing of Claire hating HRG (but he just lied to protect her!). My main gripe however, is killing off practically ever damn character. It got to the point I didn't want to care about any of them because I figured they weren't going to last long. They never seemed to want to bring in new characters after Season 1 that they planned on keeping as primary characters. They either died or just disappeared (poor Monica). I really liked Daphne, so I wasn't too pleased she died, although it was a very emotional moment. What made it worse though was soon after Matt was like "Ohai wife!". I was actually surprised Gretchen didn't die in Season 4, although I am happy about that. I imagine she's a character not many people like but I liked her!

And killing off Jessica/Nicki was just mean. I really liked them. I'm glad Ali Larter was still part of the show because I think her and Zachary Quinto were the best actors in it, but I was frustrated we didn't see much of Tracey in Season 4.

Favourite line of the entire show: "Who needs God when you got me?"
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Old 16-03-2013, 06:00
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I agree with the majority of comments here. Such a wasted opportunity. Heroes could've been up there with the best, but the writers made a mess of it after Season 1 - not that I thought it was all that great a season to begin with, but it certainly felt like it was building toward something great in future seasons. But it turned out the writers had no clue what to do with the story and characters beyond Season 1.

We're yet to see a superhuman drama that's fulfilled the promise of its concept. The 4400 was the only one near to that, but it got cancelled after Season 4, so we'll never know if the conclusion would've been satisfactory or not. Shame really.
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Old 16-03-2013, 10:49
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Agree with most of whats been said here, just to add that imo, it got too smart for its own good,(similar to Lost), and started to believe its own hype, by which time, its audience started to dwindle. The whole carny thing made the show look visually cheap too, you tell the budget was being cut!
A shame.
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Old 16-03-2013, 15:04
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We're yet to see a superhuman drama that's fulfilled the promise of its concept.
Arrow is getting it right. Albeit only in its first season, and we can argue about whether it belongs in the genre. (Like Batman, it's skill and technology rather than magic powers, but still heroic.)
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Old 17-03-2013, 00:58
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Arrow is getting it right. Albeit only in its first season, and we can argue about whether it belongs in the genre. (Like Batman, it's skill and technology rather than magic powers, but still heroic.)
Ah really? I might have to check "Arrow" out . I always like a good superhero yarn. Thanks.

I did mean "superhuman drama" as in TV shows about everyday people with superpowers, though. Shows like Heroes and The 4400 tend to be more about the superhuman condition than actual superheroism like Arrow and Batman, hence why I called it a superhuman drama. Not to mention the fact that the former and latter have no superpowers.
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Old 17-03-2013, 15:14
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I rather loved Heroes at the time, and own the set on DVD... it's not as bad as many people make out, but then it was never perfect to begin with. As several people have said, the show seemed to struggle with the US-format which brings so many episodes to the table - shorter UK-style series may have given Heroes a bit more coherency.

Season 1 was one of the strongest, but then I also quite enjoy Season 4 as well. The second season was cut short by the writers strike and suffered as a result, the third series was overly long (you have the Arthur Petrelli half, and the Danko half) and played too much catch up - changing characters too quickly for things to make much sense.

Character-wise, most of them were well written -particularly the good guys. Sylar was well written throughout in my opinion, and he's the only character I enjoyed seeing change allegiance all the time - he was powerful enough to do so without challenge from anyone else, and it was a key part of his search for identity. Nikki was a firm favourite, though she was written out in a very poor way... Tracy Strauss became interesting but was poorly introduced. Angela Petrelli was another well written character, and there were intricate details to her character that stood out above the rest. HRG was quite good, but like his daughter Claire he was centre-stage for too long, and I feel was the weak link come Season Four. I loved the appearances from George Takei, and Daphne was another favourite, and her exit was very sad. I think all of this says that my problem with the characters in Heroes is by no means the characters themselves, but the means by which they were introduced or disposed of - it felt like it was being done whenever the writers were getting bored. Only Season 4 did a good job at introducing fresh new characters, and I absolutely loved the circus element they brought in. That being said, I never really liked the characters of Ando, Matt Parkman and I really, really didn't like Suresh so its clear not all of their characters were strong.

I feel the ending of the show was a bit premature... Season 4 had been mostly brilliant, but the recovery from Season 2's strike just didn't come quick enough. I'm satisfied to believe that Sylar was genuinely a good guy come the end though, and I loved the way it brought things full circle in the final episode.
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Old 17-03-2013, 16:33
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I watched all the series of this and really enjoyed it up till about season 3. The writers strike really killed any momentum this show had, and many others but they were established enough to recover, this wasn't.
After Season 3 it really struggled and became too big to cope. The introduction of the music lady that Peter befriends and then the introduction of Samuel and the moving carnival just got too cluttered. In fact, it was even before that, when Nathan became Sylar and set about capturing everyone in the 2nd half of season 3 (volume 4?) For some reason they felt they needed to have 2 different stories for 1 season and make it out to be 2 series in 1 which was weird and confusing.

But yea, Volume 3 (Season 3 1st half) was good with Arthur, Volume 4 (post Xmas Break) started going down hill. Season 4, volume 5 was just awful and mind boggling. Even to this day I'm still not sure what the point behind Samuel and his carnival was,,or ive just forgotten it because it was crap lol

I did always like Noah though, thought Jack Coleman played him really well and he was very interesting as a character.
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Old 17-03-2013, 17:58
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I gave up somewhere in season 3 when they ditched whatever the storyline was on and went out to the desert and introduced a new storyline about a previous generation of heroes back in the 60s.
The show had no focus. Bad guys became good guys, then swapped back at the drop of a hat. Horn Rim Specs mad is bad, no he's good, oh look he's bad again. Sylar is the ulimate villain, oh no he's good now, or is he? nathan, well you know...
Powers were given and taken at the drop of the same hat. Peter can everything, no he can't do anything. Hiro can change time and can save them all, oh wait he can't anymore.
Storylines drifted and faded never really being resolved. Every time you think a story is going somewhere they ditch it and invent a whole new thread to drift and fade for half a season.
Interesting characters like Adam get killed off leaving rather dull ones.

It needed focus, direction and thought. It had some interesting characters and a premise that could have been developed into a good show. But they never fulfilled the promise of season 1.
Pretty much sums it up. It was a show built on a large, ongoing narrative that never went anywhere. They kept toying around as if they were progressing somewhere, but it was all smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that the story always ended up in the same place it started.
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