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Any fans? Must say I FAR prefer the Gabriel-era Genesis to the Collins-led one (although I must admit there are some gems in the latter - 'That's All' and 'Mama' to name but two). 70s Genesis made, IMO, the best progressive rock music in history, although that is of course subjective.
Albums best to worst: Selling England by the Pound Foxtrot Lamb Lies Down on Broadway Nursery Cryme Genesis Trick of the Tail Abacab Trespass Duke From Genesis to Revelation Wind and Wuthering And Then There Were Three Invisible Touch We Can't Dance Calling all Stations Some of their best songs: http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Spl1cOf-o http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tFQMjc-IE http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9fOGg9wO8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57HicYcY4Ow http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jok2yVchU1Q |
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As influenced by Pink Floyd thread?
![]() I can see you are a Peter Gabriel fan. SEBTP was good My fave period of Genesis was post Gabriel from Trick Of The Tail to And Then There Were Three. After that they started to lose it. TOTT is easily the best Genesis album ever for me and probably the best prog album ever made . |
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This is influenced by the Floyd thread isn't it.
Genesis are possibly my fave band and I finally got to see them at Twickenham when they toured last time. I love the earlier stuff with Peter Gabriel. It's just so different to anything else, with lots of humour too. |
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Yes it is influenced by the Floyd thread
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In truth, Tony Banks is right up there as one of the best keyboard/synth players of all time. He doesn't get the accolades he deserves. And Peter Gabriel is a true music pioneer.
Unfortunately, I remember someone once saying that Genesis' problem is that they are associated with the two most criticised genres in pop music history: '70s prog and '80s pop. Both regarded as a bit naff tbh. And a lot of people HATE Phil Collins. I think even he has admitted he became the Antichrist of music to a lot of people. So Genesis do have a bit of a problem as a lot of people can't distinguish between their later music and that of Collins' solo career, while their early work doesn't hold much popular appeal and never will. They are just one of those bands that will never really be cool to like. |
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didnt like them... the only track i quite like is 'land of confusion'...
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didnt like them... the only track i quite like is 'land of confusion'...
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I think that's a horrible, typically '80s pop song. Awful drum machine.
Harold the barrel cut off his toes and served them all for tea. Apocalypse in 9/8 (co-starring the delicious talents of Gabble Ratchet. There's Winston Churchill dressed in drag, he used to be a British flag, plastic bag, what a drag. The frog was a prince, the prince was a brick, the brick was an egg, the egg was a bird. (Fly away you sweet little thing, they're hard on your tail) Hadn't you heard? (They're going to change you into a human being!) Yahoo, we're happy as fish and gorgeous as geese, and wonderfully clean in the morning. Complete and utter nonsense but totally wonderful. |
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The Peter Gabriel era is the only one that matters. I subscribe to the "Phil Collins as antichrist" faction. Gabriel has a voice that is totally unique. I'm not even sure if he's hitting notes half the time, but it is still very expressive. Output was a bit patchy, but it's only I Know What I Like that I'm truly sick to death of hearing. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway was the best album, but, like The Beatles' White Album, would have made a truly brilliant single album if all the filler had been cut out. The title track and Carpet Crawlers are my favourites.
It's actually spoilt my day reminding me of Phil Collins. |
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I like The Lamia From The Lamb.....
I like Phil Collins. I maybe unusual in that, but I think his first solo album id fantastic. |
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Big fan of the Gabriel era. Selling England By The Pound is a superb album, and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is not far behind.
They became a different band when Gabriel left, and did some good stuff, but I lost a lot of interest. |
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The Peter Gabriel era is the only one that matters. I subscribe to the "Phil Collins as antichrist" faction. Gabriel has a voice that is totally unique. I'm not even sure if he's hitting notes half the time, but it is still very expressive. Output was a bit patchy, but it's only I Know What I Like that I'm truly sick to death of hearing. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway was the best album, but, like The Beatles' White Album, would have made a truly brilliant single album if all the filler had been cut out. The title track and Carpet Crawlers are my favourites.
It's actually spoilt my day reminding me of Phil Collins. I love all the incarnations of Genesis (CAS excluded) However you must admit the first two albums without (Trick Of The Tail and Wind and Wuthering) are almost as good as the PG albums. It was Steve Hackett leaving that really changed Genesis IMO |
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Fair enough but does it not wind you up knowing he's drumming on all those wonderful PG albums. (Not FGTR or Trespass of course )
I love all the incarnations of Genesis (CAS excluded) However you must admit the first two albums without (Trick Of The Tail and Wind and Wuthering) are almost as good as the PG albums. It was Steve Hackett leaving that really changed Genesis IMO |
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Go see G2 if you can. I saw them in Monmouth last month perform the entire album "A Trick of the Tail". As close to the real thing as you can get.
My favourite tracks are Ripples, Firth of Fifth and the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. Going to see Hackett soon too. |
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I respect them, but they were never for me. Peters solo material is more to my taste.
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I like The Lamia From The Lamb.....
I like Phil Collins. I maybe unusual in that, but I think his first solo album id fantastic. |
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I think that him confessing to being a Thatcherite Tory put me off him at least as much as his MOR output.
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I respect them, but they were never for me. Peters solo material is more to my taste.
I had to live through that awful prog rock era of the early 70s. I would be much kinder to The Floyd than Genesis but Bowie and Roxy were so much better. |
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Gabriel's solo work is much more interesting and listenable.
I had to live through that awful prog rock era of the early 70s. I would be much kinder to The Floyd than Genesis but Bowie and Roxy were so much better. But then I would also say that both Bowie and Roxy Music were just as progressive as the likes of Genesis and Pink Floyd in pushing boundaries. As for Genesis, for me it was the Gabriel-era |
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I think that's a horrible, typically '80s pop song. Awful drum machine.
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You make it sound like Prog Rock was the only music available in the early 1970s, but apart from the likes of The Old Grey Whistle Test, Alan Freeman's Saturday Rock Show, and John Peel's show, people forget he was a massive Prog Rock fan, it was rarely played on the radio.
philly/soul had its own fans and they were not 'cool' rockers. glam was largely seen as a kids thing as it was chart fodder, youre left with rock and prog rock both of which had a more adult (slightly older) fanbase. being a prog rock fan was worn by many snobs as a badge of superiority, i found prog fans looked down on fans of other music..... and tbh, they had something of a point. |
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Fair enough but does it not wind you up knowing he's drumming on all those wonderful PG albums. (Not FGTR or Trespass of course )
I was slightly intrigued by his attempts to impersonate Peter Gabriel on Trick Of The Tail, but I was desperately disappointed when I downloaded some live version of Lamb songs, only to find it was Phil Collins singing. |
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I thought they started going downhill (albeit slowly at first) after Trespass.
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I thought they started going downhill (albeit slowly at first) after Trespass.
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I think that with early albums such as Trespass, Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, part of the charm is in what now seem dated production techniques. If they recorded The Musical Box now it would sound completely different, but not necessarily better.
The old Hammond organ and the Mellotron also add their own distinct time stamps on them that will always strike a chord with anyone who was around when they were released. I'm not sure it would have quite the same effect on anyone born even ten years after. There are quite a few records like that. I'm not a great fan of Jethro Tull, but when I hear The Witches Promise (and especially it's B side,The Teacher), it seems to capture a unique moment of time when I first played it on an old record player. |
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This has just reminded me of an evil trick that I played on my sister when she was about six years old. I was playing Supper's Ready in my bedroom, when she came in to show me a picture that she had drawn at school. There was a quiet interlude and I suddenly realised what was coming up. I pointed to something amidst all the wax crayon doodling, and just as Peter Gabriel was whispering "as Narcissus is turned to a flower", I pointed at the picture and said, "what's that supposed to be?". "A flower", she said, immediately followed by Peter shouting out, "A FLOWER?". I think it was her first cosmic experience
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