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Old 14-03-2013, 14:46
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In the last few years I have become really sick of paying for rubblsh TV I do not watch, so I went onto the TVL website to tell them I no longer need their services. All is good I think and carry on about my life.... BUT then I return home to find a red letter from a tv inspector person saying "you do not have a tv licence so I came to find out why"

So why do I have to let a stranger inside my house to check I am not lying?

Why can't they just detect my telly if they think I am watching it?
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Old 14-03-2013, 14:49
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In the last few years I have become really sick of paying for rubblsh TV I do not watch, so I went onto the TVL website to tell them I no longer need their services. All is good I think and carry on about my life.... BUT then I return home to find a red letter from a tv inspector person saying "you do not have a tv licence so I came to find out why"

So why do I have to let a stranger inside my house to check I am not lying?

Why can't they just detect my telly if they think I am watching it?
Because it is a myth perpetuated to scare people and the actual technology doesnt exist. And if it did, the rise of flat screen TVs has rendered it obsolete.

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Old 14-03-2013, 14:55
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Because it is a myth perpetuated to scare people and the actual technology doesnt exist. And if it did, the rise of flat screen TVs has rendered it obsolete.
Good to see this old chestnut being raised again
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Old 14-03-2013, 14:55
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Good to see this old chestnut being raised again
What are the inaccuracies in my reply, please?
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:02
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So why do I have to let a stranger inside my house to check I am not lying?
Simple answer is - you don't.

These people do not have a right of entry despite what they'd like you to believe.

Just tell them to "Go away". Do not provide any information and, most importantly, do not sign anything

I advise you to have a camcorder at the ready so that, in the event of a 'visit', you have a record of what actually happened.

There are those here who will criticise me for advising that but I expect you can see the sense of it.
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:02
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So I wonder which username(s) the OP has been registered as before.
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:08
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Because it is a myth perpetuated to scare people and the actual technology doesnt exist. And if it did, the rise of flat screen TVs has rendered it obsolete.
So what was this for then

http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/im...mb=ikDKmxuPvVU
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:13
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You don't have to let anyone in to your home unless they have a police warrant (exceptions apply if you're renting.)
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:15
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A mock-up to scare the public into thinking the technology existed.

Please don't be so gullible

I have seen on a website somewhere that someone who used to drive round in a "detector van" said afterwards that the back of the van was actually empty and had nothing in the back of it. I must find it...
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:18
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So I wonder which username(s) the OP has been registered as before.



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Old 14-03-2013, 15:19
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Oh FFS. Every few days now the same debate pops up, and the militant tendency rise from nowhere advising us to tear letters up, to ignore the inspectors, to film them with a camcorder or some such.

Jeez. It's an organisation just doing what it is legally empowered and obliged to do. Fair enough, if you're the sort of person that wants to live a life of embittered struggle against the common enemy, adopt that approach. If you want an easy life, do what I did when I didn't have either a TV or a licence. I had a pleasant conversation on my doorstep explaining that I don't have a tv, don't need a licence but will let them know when that changes, but I'm not prepared to allow all & sundry entry to my house for him to check if that's ok with you. And it wouldn't have mattered if it wasn't ok with him tbh. And that was it - man does job, no-one gets hurt or needs the police calling. A civilised conversation, of the sort that you'd have with a traffic warden, your boss, a policeman, someone on the tills in Tesco etc. No need to be their best friend or their biggest enemy, just provide the information and move on. Unless you're keen on The Struggle obviously.

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Old 14-03-2013, 15:19
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On the back of the TV licence it clearly says:

''Our officers may visit the licensed place to verify our records and inspect the TV equipment at any time, you do not have to let them in''
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:23
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Thanks all, I have been advised by friends at work that I do not HAVE to let them in. I think if I had been been in I would have just let them look at my telly, but after reading this red letter he posted I now want to tell him where to go.
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:31
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In the last few years I have become really sick of paying for rubblsh TV I do not watch, so I went onto the TVL website to tell them I no longer need their services. All is good I think and carry on about my life.... BUT then I return home to find a red letter from a tv inspector person saying "you do not have a tv licence so I came to find out why"

So why do I have to let a stranger inside my house to check I am not lying?

Why can't they just detect my telly if they think I am watching it?
I can understand why they would check it out, there are some dodgy folk about. But there must be a way of avoiding this without the inrusion in this day n age
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:31
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So I wonder which username(s) the OP has been registered as before.
I am new here so never been registered before
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:33
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I can understand why they would check it out, there are some dodgy folk about. But there must be a way of avoiding this without the inrusion in this day n age
yes this is what I thought.
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:35
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I can understand why they would check it out, there are some dodgy folk about. But there must be a way of avoiding this without the inrusion in this day n age
When we make the gradual shift to IPTV it will be fairly simple for ISPs to know who is watching live TV and who isn't, and this information can obviously be relayed to the TV Licensing Company (or whatever it's called) if they can get legal clearance to do this.
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:36
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I have read elsewhere that people at TVL seem unable to grasp the concept that there might be households without TVs, or only with radios (which do not require a licence).You don't need a licence if you use your TV purely as a monitor and can show it does not receive any kind of signal.
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:37
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So I wonder which username(s) the OP has been registered as before.
whys that relevant?
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:40
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Since I got my new faster broadband I have unlimited things to watch and I choose where I watch, but I have noticed that when I switch between netflix and lovefilm they do not send somebody to see if I am lying.
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:44
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Since I got my new faster broadband I have unlimited things to watch and I choose where I watch, but I have noticed that when I switch between netflix and lovefilm they do not send somebody to see if I am lying.
I'm sure they would do if you weren't paying....
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Old 14-03-2013, 15:50
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I'm sure they would do if you weren't paying....
Well that is it, they know I am paying and when not so do not have to hassle me.
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Old 14-03-2013, 16:02
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I have read elsewhere that people at TVL seem unable to grasp the concept that there might be households without TVs,
Ridiculous hyperbole. People at TVL grasp quite clearly that a lot more than the 2% of households without a TV don't have a TV licence, and that those that don't have a licence but do have a TV are breaking the law. Like it or not, the law is clear that watching live TV without a licence is against the law, and in much the same way that a significant number of people are unable to obey laws such as speed limits on the roads, a significant number of people are prepared to lie about not having a TV, taking the common view in both examples that it's a victimless crime.

If everybody was honest there wouldn't be a need for the TVL Inspectors, but a significant number aren't, judging by the number of people who are fined for failure to have the necessary. It's odd that approx 100% of people who complain about TVLI on here are good honest sound folk who wouldn't dream of not having a licence. There are a few too many elsewhere who are quite happy to bypass the law when it suits them, hence the need for a TVLI and the request to visit homes to verify that the householder is correct in claiming not to require aTVL.
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Old 14-03-2013, 16:04
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Since I got my new faster broadband I have unlimited things to watch and I choose where I watch, but I have noticed that when I switch between netflix and lovefilm they do not send somebody to see if I am lying.
How could switching between netflix and lovefilm be seen as lying
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Old 14-03-2013, 16:10
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Since I got my new faster broadband I have unlimited things to watch and I choose where I watch, but I have noticed that when I switch between netflix and lovefilm they do not send somebody to see if I am lying.
Try seeing what happens if you don't pay, claim you don't need to then attempt to watch something on those two delivery platforms. Due to the different nature of those beasts, if you don't pay up front you don't access the service. The TVL model is locked into a 90 year old system where the broadcast is freely distributed and the onus is on the end user to recognise that they are receiving a benefit by watching those broadcasts.

Fail on Mr Middling's part for the weak analogy. Similar fail on the BBC and govt departments for sticking with an outmoded payment model for too long, by the looks of things, although in reality it's the best we've got for now and is likely to stick with us for some time.
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