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Old 15-03-2013, 08:44
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No i am not getting angry i am just trying to find out what has been proved. which things in the current enforcement process are you not happy with
I think the letters are over aggressive.

I also do not think they have enough powers to enforce.

However, as I have stated several times, as technology moves on it will become irrelevant. Catching evaders will become easier and as it is such a small problem I don't think anyone is too worried.

Ultimately I think tvl will just be part of another tax (maybe council tax) and therefore this whole argument will be mute.
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Old 15-03-2013, 08:47
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I also do not think they have enough powers to enforce.

However, as I have stated several times, as technology moves on it will become irrelevant. Catching evaders will become easier and as it is such a small problem I don't think anyone is too worried.

Ultimately I think tvl will just be part of another tax (maybe council tax) and therefore this whole argument will be mute.
Agreed
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Old 15-03-2013, 08:51
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I would agree, no-one can think these arguments make any sense.


How do I prove you wrong?
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Old 15-03-2013, 08:52
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I think the letters are over aggressive.

I also do not think they have enough powers to enforce.

However, as I have stated several times, as technology moves on it will become irrelevant. Catching evaders will become easier and as it is such a small problem I don't think anyone is too worried.

Ultimately I think tvl will just be part of another tax (maybe council tax) and therefore this whole argument will be mute.
I agree about the letters, alot of the words used are to try and scare people into buying one even if one is not needed, and are full of half truths. what powers would you give them, the technology is there now
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Old 15-03-2013, 08:57
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I agree about the letters, alot of the words used are to try and scare people into buying one even if one is not needed, and are full of half truths. what powers would you give them, the technology is there now
You meant encourage those that breaking the law into buying one.

Its clear as to when you need one. Any evidence of any significant issue with people unnecessarily buying licences.

and no, a couple of isolated cases isnt really going to cut it.
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:00
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I agree about the letters, alot of the words used are to try and scare people into buying one even if one is not needed, and are full of half truths. what powers would you give them, the technology is there now
Well, I'm not going to go throughout this in detail as there are threads from a while ago that discuss all this. I will also make it clear that I haven't sat down and thought this completely through, but....

I would make it a statutory declarations as the whether you need a tvl or not (that would remove all this stupid ignoring letters business). If you didn't respond you get a fine, just like tax returns.

I would get virgin/sky etc to release subscriber info to it can be cross checked.

I would increase powers of investigation for non intrusive activities such as wifi and 3G monitoring.

And (this will make people jump) I would want tvl to actually carry out warrants that they are issued, not just walk away if the person says no.

Oh, and I agree, the technology is almost all there.

I will keep stressing thought that this problem is so small, I don't expect anyone to get too excited by it.
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:20
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Well, I'm not going to go throughout this in detail as there are threads from a while ago that discuss all this. I will also make it clear that I haven't sat down and thought this completely through, but....

I would make it a statutory declarations as the whether you need a tvl or not (that would remove all this stupid ignoring letters business). If you didn't respond you get a fine, just like tax returns.

I would get virgin/sky etc to release subscriber info to it can be cross checked.

I would increase powers of investigation for non intrusive activities such as wifi and 3G monitoring.

And (this will make people jump) I would want tvl to actually carry out warrants that they are issued, not just walk away if the person says no.

Oh, and I agree, the technology is almost all there.

I will keep stressing thought that this problem is so small, I don't expect anyone to get too excited by it.
No real need, just put it on council tax.
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:22
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Well, I'm not going to go throughout this in detail as there are threads from a while ago that discuss all this. I will also make it clear that I haven't sat down and thought this completely through, but....

I would make it a statutory declarations as the whether you need a tvl or not (that would remove all this stupid ignoring letters business). If you didn't respond you get a fine, just like tax returns.

I would get virgin/sky etc to release subscriber info to it can be cross checked.

I would increase powers of investigation for non intrusive activities such as wifi and 3G monitoring.

And (this will make people jump) I would want tvl to actually carry out warrants that they are issued, not just walk away if the person says no.

Oh, and I agree, the technology is almost all there.

I will keep stressing thought that this problem is so small, I don't expect anyone to get too excited by it.
The thing is cannot give tvl more powers then the police have. Lets put it this way at the moment even if you let them in it does not prove a thing even if there is no tv in the home, to check that no has been watching live tv they would have to go check laptops and pc and moblie phones, While in my home that would mean 4 laptops,1 pc and 4 mobile phones. The law doesnot let them do that now, and i dont believe the public would like them to have that kind of power just to prove you dont need a licence, we are not talking about people who are putting the security of the country at risk. on the funny side of things we all know how teenages feel about there parents looking at there phone.We are talking about tvl,
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:37
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After doing a little googling I have found suggestion that this forum is infested with stooges that are payed to bang on about "how good the bbc is"
That's a myth put about by a certain other forum. They have a history of getting their members to come on here and troll.

Their whole motto is "fec the BBC", don't bother about any truth.
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:43
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I think its pretty obvious that there are lots of "users" here, both pro and anti BBC, who are quoting from scripts.
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:45
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The thing is cannot give tvl more powers then the police have. Lets put it this way at the moment even if you let them in it does not prove a thing even if there is no tv in the home, to check that no has been watching live tv they would have to go check laptops and pc and moblie phones, While in my home that would mean 4 laptops,1 pc and 4 mobile phones. The law doesnot let them do that now, and i dont believe the public would like them to have that kind of power just to prove you dont need a licence, we are not talking about people who are putting the security of the country at risk. on the funny side of things we all know how teenages feel about there parents looking at there phone.We are talking about tvl,
I wouldn't suggest any greater powers than the police
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:49
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Why not put the TVL on your internet connection fee then ISPs can enforce it by saying if you dont pay we will cut you off and update set top boxes so they all have to be internet connected, even if you receive 'over the air' tv, then people would have to have the internet to watch tv or the set top box or integrated tv wont work. then any legitimately empty properties would be fine!
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:49
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please ignore everyone who says you have to let them into your house. you dont.
I can't see anyone telling him he has to let them in.

No one on this forum would tell him that because the fact that you don't is mentioned about once a day on average.

The people at work seem to have told him you don't have to.

The back of the TV licence tells him quite clearly he doesn't have to.

As quoted the letter didn't even say he had to, it said "I came round to find out why". He could find out why from the doorstep.

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Old 15-03-2013, 09:51
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I think its pretty obvious that there are lots of "users" here, both pro and anti BBC, who are quoting from scripts.
It's a common tactic amongst a group of posters to claim that anyone who disagrees with them are "paid to post" - it's one of the reasons why these debates are so petty and non-constructive.
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Old 15-03-2013, 09:53
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It's a common tactic amongst a group of posters to claim that anyone who disagrees with them are "paid to post" - it's one of the reasons why these debates are so petty and non-constructive.
That and the fact that it's a question that's been answered hundreds of times before and can be sumed up as:

"Do I have to let them in?"

"No"


End of discussion.

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Old 15-03-2013, 09:55
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That and the fact that it's a question that's been answered hundreds of times before and can be sumed up as:

"Do I have to let them in?"

"No"


End of discussion.

That's true, it goes like this :

Ask a question.

Ignore the answer.

Ask the question again.


(all the while knowing what the answer is anyway!)
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Old 15-03-2013, 10:20
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Customs stop a lot of people and search their luggage. Is their success rate as good as one in five?
Once again, it's a poor analogy. People travelling internationally by plane or ship have entered into a contract and are customers of whoever they choose to travel with and have implicitly agreed to a customs search.

People who choose to be LLF haven't entered into any contract and are not customers. They have a right to be left in peace.

To answer your question though, (although I cannot see the point of it) I simply don't know what the success/failure rate is.

Maybe some research would provide the answer but I have no inclination to do such research.
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Old 15-03-2013, 10:26
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So how terrible was the visit? Did they rummage through your undies?
Now you're being silly.

It was a little unnerving and I certainly wasn't comfortable with it. I didn't know who this guy was. Like I said I thought it would put an end to all the nonsense but it didn't.

I don't like strangers coming into my home but. as someone will, inevitably, point out, there will be, from time to time, workmen in my house. I don't like it but it's something I have to put up with.

I'm sure people can see the difference between workmen doing necessary jobs and someone checking to see that I'm not committing the criminal act of - Shock! Horror! - watching television!!
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Old 15-03-2013, 10:30
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Why would it make LLF people feel uncomfortable?
Because it's designed to?

"....a whole package of things to make people feel uncomfortable"

My emphasis.

However, it didn't make me feel uncomfortable.

It didn't even make me angry.

It made me bloody furious!!

I ended up going to a solicitor.
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Old 15-03-2013, 10:53
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Once again, it's a poor analogy. People travelling internationally by plane or ship have entered into a contract and are customers of whoever they choose to travel with and have implicitly agreed to a customs search.

People who choose to be LLF haven't entered into any contract and are not customers. They have a right to be left in peace.

To answer your question though, (although I cannot see the point of it) I simply don't know what the success/failure rate is.

Maybe some research would provide the answer but I have no inclination to do such research.
No yours is the poor analogy. I have not willingly agreed to be searched. If I dont agree I cant travel.

OMG that sounds like coercion! How dare they be suspicious of me carrying drugs or being a terrorist!

Its invading my privacy, its so awful! I have the right to be left in peace
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Old 15-03-2013, 10:55
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Latest issue of Web User
http://www.webuser.co.uk/content/iss...sday-7-march-0
which i have and you can see is telling us to not renew our tv licence and watch everything on demand and save 145.
Some points listed where as--
1. You only need a tv licence if you watch live tv
2 so watching catch up services like iplayer-stv player-4od etc you do not need a licence
3. You still need a tv licence if you have a recorder and record the live broadcast and watch later.
4.You still need a licence if a broadcast has been paused and you watch it on delay as it actually is being recorded.
5.I have a licence and want to cancel, what do i do-- goto www.tvlicensing.co.uk

I personally have a licence but feel it should be done away with and bbc services should be scrambled and if you do not want to watch their services you shouldnt have to pay for them but while the law is the law i will continue to pay.
Now bedroom tax..... lol
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Old 15-03-2013, 10:56
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I'm sure people can see the difference between workmen doing necessary jobs and someone checking to see that I'm not committing the criminal act of - Shock! Horror! - watching television!!
Enforcing the LF (the law) is necessary. As has been pointed out, you dont have to let them in.
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Old 15-03-2013, 11:02
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Now you're being silly.

I!
No hes not, he just pointing out that some people seem to totally over react.

Its no worse than the meter reader coming in and checking you are not fiddling the readings or bypassing the meter.

OMG how dare they be suspicious of me doing something unlawful! I have the right to be left in peace! I'm going to phone a solicitor,

Before you say it, the "contract" is irrelevant. I havent willingly agreed to them checking on me. If I dont they wont provide the service. That sounds like coercion! It;s just so awful!


At least with TVL you dont have to let them in.
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Old 15-03-2013, 11:42
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How do I prove you wrong?
By making some actually convincing arguments maybe? It's already been pointed out that there is nothing strange or outrageous about checking people are actually legally not paying the licence fee.
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Old 15-03-2013, 11:45
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So why do I have to let a stranger inside my house to check I am not lying?
You don't.
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