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Old 17-03-2013, 02:10
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As the title says, there's going to be a prequel this coming week, I have no idea the day it's going to be shown, can anyone tell me what day is the prequel released?
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Old 17-03-2013, 09:12
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Whatever it is they are releasing this week it isn't a prequel! The Bells of St John hasn't been aired yet.
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Old 17-03-2013, 09:17
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It's on Saturday.
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Old 17-03-2013, 09:56
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Whatever it is they are releasing this week it isn't a prequel! The Bells of St John hasn't been aired yet.
It's a prologue. But for some reason the BBC keep calling them prequels. So forum members can call them prequels simply because this is what the BBC for whatever reason choose to call them.

I did write to my MP to get him to urge the government to shut down the BBC unless they start calling them prologues. He hasn't thus far responded.
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Old 17-03-2013, 15:31
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It's a prologue. But for some reason the BBC keep calling them prequels. So forum members can call them prequels simply because this is what the BBC for whatever reason choose to call them.

I did write to my MP to get him to urge the government to shut down the BBC unless they start calling them prologues. He hasn't thus far responded.
It's outrageous, and I am, therefore, outraged.

I'd write to POV, but of course they will ignore my letter....again.

A campaign in the Daily Mail is called for, I think.
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Old 17-03-2013, 15:38
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Re nebo and Granny's posts - humorous I know, but there is a serious element behind the humour. The BBC should be maintaining standards, not dumbing down to the extent that they use a completely wrong word to describe something.
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Old 17-03-2013, 15:47
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Re nebo and Granny's posts - humorous I know, but there is a serious element behind the humour. The BBC should be maintaining standards, not dumbing down to the extent that they use a completely wrong word to describe something.
I agree. I posted ages ago of my annoyance at the BBC using the wrong word when the appropriate word was within easy reach. Prologue and prequel are different things so it is a shame the BBC are blurring them into one. We lose a word. But I poked fun at my own annoyance.

Perhaps I shall write to Feedback on radio four about misuse of "prequel". Whereas I didn't actually write to my MP.
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Old 17-03-2013, 15:47
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Re nebo and Granny's posts - humorous I know, but there is a serious element behind the humour. The BBC should be maintaining standards, not dumbing down to the extent that they use a completely wrong word to describe something.
Yes, my post was supposed to be funny, but I do actually seriously agree with you. I really do hate the way the English is treated so sloppily in general, and it shouldn't ever happen in the BBC.
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Old 17-03-2013, 17:56
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I didn't even know there was going to be a prequel/prologue/intoductory bit!
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Old 17-03-2013, 18:00
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I agree with above.

I would hazard a guess some marketing bod decided "prologue" was too bookish and therefore not a good fit with the target demographic, so we have "prequel" instead.
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Old 17-03-2013, 18:21
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I agree with above.

I would hazard a guess some marketing bod decided "prologue" was too bookish and therefore not a good fit with the target demographic, so we have "prequel" instead.
Yep. Or the marketing bod doesn't know many words and assumes neither does anyone else. Or has the patronising assumption that people will run to the hills if a word they don't know is ever used. Patronising gits. I had a fairly feeble education. Thank heavens that the BBC didn't patronise me by assuming I wouldn't want to hear unfamiliar words.

Also - patronising gits! "too bookish"! A whole generation of kids have enjoyed reading their Harry Potters and His Dark Materials and Jump In Muddy Puddles! Kids like books. Too bookish? Pah! If I had ever had the required education and brains to use it I'd say something clever about it.

edit: One final point. Doctor Who started with the intention of having an educational aspect. Educating the population is a rather lovely ideal. It enhances democracy and gives us tools with which to fight injustice. The Doctor would tend to support the BBC helping everyone to have an elite standard of verbal usage. So....er...."prologue" then. *gets off soap box*
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Old 17-03-2013, 22:30
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If a second production is filmed after the original, then technically, could it not be considered a prequel? Or is it the broadcast order that matters?
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Old 17-03-2013, 22:42
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Traditional prequels are separate, complete productions made some time after the original, but the story events occur before the events in the original. As a consequence, the release is always after the original too.

So, to me, the key things are that sequels are made after, the story is a full story and it occurs before the original.

The Doctor Who "prequels" fit more closely "prologue", as they serve to lead in to the main story.

Are they made separately afterwards? Or are they shot as part of the main shoot? Either way I think prologue fits better.

I didn't see some of the prequels to earlier stories until after seeing the episodes themselves - I didn't know they existed until later - but they still seem like prologues to me.
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Old 17-03-2013, 22:52
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Prequel isn't the correct term, of course, but I don't really care what they label 'em as long as they keep making 'em....
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:27
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Ok, the "prequel" or whatever is on the BBC site now... pretty obvious who the other character was going to turn out to be, but still quite enjoyable, now we just need to wait another 7 days...!
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:34
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Oh, I'll moan in this relevant thread, rather than the pinned one!:

Moffat really does seem to have four (good) ideas that he just constantly recycles, doesn't he? Meeting the new super-special companion who there is a Mystery about, when she's still a child...where have we seen this before? Even the bloomin' swing.
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:36
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:41
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That was so cute


Oh, I'll moan in this relevant thread, rather than the pinned one!:

Moffat really does seem to have four (good) ideas that he just constantly recycles, doesn't he? Meeting the new super-special companion who there is a Mystery about, when she's still a child...where have we seen this before? Even the bloomin' swing.
With all due respect, this isn't Clara's story. It's a two minute little extra that really has no bearing on her story in the series itself.
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:44
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With all due respect, this isn't Clara's story. It's a two minute little extra that really has no bearing on her story in the series itself.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said, really.
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:47
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I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said, really.
I would have thought it was pretty obvious.

Your post comes from a position of Clara's story being exactly the same as Amy's based on one two minute clip.

My point is that just because we have had a little extra scene with Clara with The Doctor as a child,this scene ultimately has no bearing on how her story will play out in the show proper.
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:54
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I would have thought it was pretty obvious.

Your post comes from a position of Clara's story being exactly the same as Amy's based on one two minute clip.

My point is that just because we have had a little extra scene with Clara with The Doctor as a child,this scene ultimately has no bearing on how her story will play out in the show proper.
Ah, that'd be the confusion - you're assuming I hold a position I don't. My point is that *purely in this little extra scene*, everything we saw has been done before by Moffat. I didn't say anything about Clara's ongoing storyline - it's similar to Amy's so far in terms of "she's special because there's a big mystery about her that the Doctor has to solve", but that's all I can really say.
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Old 23-03-2013, 12:58
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The little girl in the clip is called Clara Oswald but will the older Clara that will meet the Doctor again, someone that uses her name. Is Clara her real name or is it something else?
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Old 23-03-2013, 13:10
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I liked it myself.

Bring on next Saturday already.
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Old 23-03-2013, 13:14
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The little girl in the clip is called Clara Oswald but will the older Clara that will meet the Doctor again, someone that uses her name. Is Clara her real name or is it something else?
I don't know, but the girl had a northern accent (rather than a London one), and bore very little resemblance to a young Jenna.

I wasn't going to comment on it, as they are the ramblings of a pedant, but your post ties into it a bit.
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Old 23-03-2013, 13:14
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Oh, I'll moan in this relevant thread, rather than the pinned one!:

Moffat really does seem to have four (good) ideas that he just constantly recycles, doesn't he? Meeting the new super-special companion who there is a Mystery about, when she's still a child...where have we seen this before? Even the bloomin' swing.
Oh shut up. Everything old is new again.
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