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Old 23-03-2013, 20:50
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Yeah could have been the Mountain, considering that dead certainly doesn't mean dead in Westeros.

I thought it might be Bron, he is still around but not seemingly central, or even Loras.

I suppose it could be anyone really, Davos, Gendry or even Brienne.
I doubt it's Davos or Brienne as they're pretty central and the writers of the tv show would know that.

My thoughts on it being The Mountain are based on the Robert Strong stuff at the end of ADWD and to a lesser degree the fact that they changed the actor between series 1 and 2
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:23
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I was thinking that Davos and or Brienne/Bronn/Loras or many others might be seen as disposable because while they are in the middle of things nothing really depends on them.

Especially since they started making the programme before the last book came out.

Davos is off on his hunt for Rickon, which will probably turn out to be central but apart from that in later books he is very sidelined.

Gendry almost disappears in the books after Arya gets kidnapped by the Hound and Brienne's quest to save Sansa seems almost pointless in book four, don't get me wrong I love her and seriously don't want her to be a Dondarrian zombie.

The people I mentioned have been kind of seperated from the main action, Bronn from Tyrion, Davos from Stannis, Brienne from Jaime, Loras from basically everyone, which might lead someone to believe that they were disposable.

I hope that all of them get some very juicy stuff in book 6.

Bron has made himself a lord but a small lord, if that makes sense, he is still around and reminding Cersei about Tyrion but his bit in the books is pretty small.

I read about Barristan in a recap of the first episode of the new series yesterday and thought how easy it would have been to have Joffrey kill him in some sadistic way if you didn't know how central he would become to Daenarys story.

How many other Barristans are there lurking about?

Sorry this is a bit rambly, I'm a bit tipsy.
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:32
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I was thinking that Davos and or Brienne/Bronn/Loras or many others might be seen as disposable because while they are in the middle of things nothing really depends on them.

fair points, but my thoughts on Davos and Brienne being central where that they're POV characters.
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:36
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fair points, but my thoughts on Davos and Brienne being central where that they're POV characters.
Oh I stopped putting stock in that when I realised that Robb was never a POV character.

Did Stannis ever get a POV either?
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:39
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Oh I stopped putting stock in that when I realised that Robb was never a POV character.

Did Stannis ever get a POV either?
nope.
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:48
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With a normal writer you would think that POV characters were safe but with GRR Martin you never know.

Ned is still shocked.
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Old 23-03-2013, 23:07
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With a normal writer you would think that POV characters were safe but with GRR Martin you never know.

Ned is still shocked.


Yeah but would think that the writers of the tv series would realise that the POV characters have something major to do - even if it's an important death like Ned's
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Old 23-03-2013, 23:12
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Yeah but would think that the writers of the tv series would realise that the POV characters have something major to do - even if it's an important death like Ned's
Oh I'm not suggesting for a second that the tv makers aren't at least as savvy as us.

Like I said I was thinking about Barristan Selmy the other day, he was in an episode of Ripper street and I got to thinking about how if you hadn''t read really far on you could easily have got Joffrey to kill him sadistically, to show what a monster he was becoming, rather than having him escape into exile.

I was talking to someone the other day about the programme and they had no idea who he was, they knew the name but couldn't remember why.

There have got to be other characters lurking under the radar that the tv guys might think are disposable.
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Old 23-03-2013, 23:17
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I'm not sure it's the Mountain, I don't think he's that popular (he hardly gets any screen time) and it seems fairly obvious that he'll be important to the plot with the whole unGregor thing. I think it might be Bronn personally since he seems quite popular and doesn't do much after book three, especially now that Lollys probably won't be in the show. They're was a shot of him drawing his sword against some Lannister men in one of the new trailers so maybe they planned to kill him then.
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Old 23-03-2013, 23:24
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Oh I don't think the person they planned to kill off will be killed off.

GRRs reply was a really polite way of saying no.

I do hope they manage to keep Bronn in the mix.

I love the bit in book four where lady whatsherface loses her husband and title to him, and then gets given to Cerseis pet pyromancer.

I want to see her husband challenge him to single combat and how Bronn deals with it.

That will probably be in series 7.
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:59
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I'm not sure it's the Mountain, I don't think he's that popular (he hardly gets any screen time) and it seems fairly obvious that he'll be important to the plot with the whole unGregor thing.
that was my point though. He's hardly in the tv series, but he's bigger role (admittedly off the page) in the books.

I'm pretty convinced that the Robert Strong character in the 5th book is The Mountain, and the big thing in book 6 that GRRM was referring to could be that he's been brought back from the dead...
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Old 24-03-2013, 13:12
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Oh I'm sure that is what happens in book five, Cersei's magician blokey has been experimenting on people and has probably managed to stitch him back together.

There is also a possibility that that Hound isn't dead either.

Death isn't forever in this world.

Can anyone remind me what happens to Lord Donderrion (sp) or do we just not get told, I've been wracking my brain and can't remember.
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Old 24-03-2013, 15:41
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Can anyone remind me what happens to Lord Donderrion (sp) or do we just not get told, I've been wracking my brain and can't remember.
After he's resurrected for about the 12th time (slight exaggeration there perhaps, it's really only seven deaths ) he tells Thoros that he doesn't wish to be brought back to life again and so, the next time he dies, he isn't and Thoros brings back Cat instead using his life essence (from memory).
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Old 24-03-2013, 18:45
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After he's resurrected for about the 12th time (slight exaggeration there perhaps, it's really only seven deaths ) he tells Thoros that he doesn't wish to be brought back to life again and so, the next time he dies, he isn't and Thoros brings back Cat instead using his life essence (from memory).
I remember him being fed up of being brought back and I vaguely remember it having something to do with Cat but I just couldn't tie it all together so thankyou.
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Old 24-03-2013, 19:49
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Old 25-03-2013, 01:46
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After he's resurrected for about the 12th time (slight exaggeration there perhaps, it's really only seven deaths ) he tells Thoros that he doesn't wish to be brought back to life again and so, the next time he dies, he isn't and Thoros brings back Cat instead using his life essence (from memory).
Slightly incorrect.


What happens is Thoros refuses to bring back Cat and Beric does the deed himself, passing his lifeforce to her and thus finally dying.
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Old 25-03-2013, 11:53
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its interesting to see how differently people percieve things..because in the books I read Tyrion as more of a comic character and more of a coward ... Whose motivation is survival...at all costs....and in this it doesnt matter who or what he tramples over to achieve this...
I didn't see him as a coward; just as a realist who knows he can't compete with the likes of his brother at combat on account of his small stature. He's definitely intelligent and sensible in the books. He's comic only in that he is witty, which stems from his intelligence. He's not comic like, eg, the dwarf in the Lord of the Rings film.

And he's very much a Lannister. He has their resolve, which can be dark, and I think he's shown to be as brave as Jamie when it comes down to it. He's not cowed by anyone. When he got captured and put in the Eyrie, he didn't need to be rescued: he got out himself and in fact turned up at Kings Landing with a small army he'd acquired on the way. That was partly done with money, of course, and partly his intelligence, but also having the bravery and general balls to face down those who opposed him, even when they had the superior force.

With a normal writer you would think that POV characters were safe but with GRR Martin you never know.
I think Ned is the only POV character to die and stay dead. Oft-times they are reported as dead, but turn out to be still walking around.

I think it might be Bronn personally since he seems quite popular and doesn't do much after book three, especially now that Lollys probably won't be in the show.
Although Tyrion needs to have a body guard around him, so if they killed off Bronn they'd surely have to replace him.
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Old 25-03-2013, 13:21
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Although Tyrion needs to have a body guard around him, so if they killed off Bronn they'd surely have to replace him.
I agree. Purely speculation but I can see the winning partnership of Tyrion and Bronn continuing across the Narrow Sea after a certain incident with a crossbow. This of course would be a substantial deviation from the books.
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Old 25-03-2013, 13:39
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Some interesting topics being discussed here.

As for Tyrion being the "everyman", I agree. He has been to almost all the areas of the story so far. He's been to the wall and believe the Nightwatch need more assistance and possibly even believes them when they talk of White Walkers et al.
He was at the Eyrie and saw their neutrality.
He took part in the fighting in the Riverlands (after a fashion).
He was then at King's Landing for the invasion.
Next he will visit Pentos and meeting the big wigs there.
Then he'll meet Dani's nephew Aegon and be part of that story and finally (as far was we know so far he will be in the Dani storyline in the Slaver's Bay area.

No other character has that broad an involvement in the story.

As for the important POV characters, none of the Kings have had a POV role, Robert, Joffry, Robb, Renly, Stannis, Greyjoy, Tomlin, Mance.

For the popular character they thought of killing I go with Bronn also. He is popular and goes quiet after book three. The Mountain dies in book three, his head (or skull) is sent to Dorne as a way of keeping Dorne out of the war. I don't see him being ressurrected without a head. The Hound on the other hand could be, but I think it unlikely.
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Old 25-03-2013, 13:40
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They would be crazy not to keep Bron around in some capacity but I wouldn't want to see him cross the narrow sea with Tyrion really.

I prefer the idea of him lurking around Kings Landing, winding up Cersei and strengthening his own power base, Tyrion will need allies when he comes back.

He isn't spoken about much in the books but he has a pretty stellar rise really, paid killer to knight to lord in a pretty short space of time.

No reason they can't show us all that onscreen, and bring Lollys in at some point as well.

They delayed bringing the Reeds in, a lot of people though they had replaced them with Osha so I don't see why they can't bring her in.
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Old 25-03-2013, 13:43
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Ah but does the Mountain die?

A giant skull is just the skull of a big person, doesn't have to be the mountain.

Remember that Davos was thought to be dead because they got the skeletal hands of someone missing fingertips.

Bones lie.
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Old 25-03-2013, 20:26
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Slightly incorrect.


What happens is Thoros refuses to bring back Cat and Beric does the deed himself, passing his lifeforce to her and thus finally dying.
Which is why I said from memory as I wasn't 100% sure
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Old 25-03-2013, 21:31
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I saw an something from GRR Martin about how they came to him with an idea to kill someone off, someone popular but not, as they saw it, massively integral to the plot, and he replied by telling them to go for it but that they would be totally unable to film the sixth book if they did.
Maybe the Hound? He's assumed to be dead in the books, but Arya leaves him before he actually dies, and after that it's only hinted at rather than confirmed that he's pushing up daisies.
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Old 26-03-2013, 16:56
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Death is nothing but an illusion.

I'm half expecting Ned to make a reappearance at some point....
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Old 27-03-2013, 00:57
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Death is nothing but an illusion.

I'm half expecting Ned to make a reappearance at some point....
Sean Bean said he would be up for a flashback, although I think Arya asks Thoros if it would be possible to bring him back and he says no.

I read an interview with GRR Martin earlier in the Telegraph, online obviously, I don't buy that paper, and he said there were too many POV characters now, they were wearing him out and it was time to kill some of them off.

He is little scamp.
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