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Is there a lack of creativity in music today?
It seems anything can be a hit today. I've heard Will.i.am and Justin Beiber's new single and it's nothing but mindless lyrics and a simple dance beat.
Where is anything new or even going against society? It seems anyone can write a song of five lines and a dance beat then sell. To me I feel music is VERY controlled today and all creativity is being stifled. I think one way would to be punish acts in the charts. Make a panel decide 40% of the charts and make each performer submit a live performance of their song. It stops crap like "Scream and Shout" hitting #1 Failure to do so - banned from the charts and radio for six months. What do you think? |
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People more interested in creative music don't buy it, they illegally download/stream it. That's the crux of the problem.
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People more interested in creative music don't buy it, they illegally download/stream it. That's the crux of the problem.
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Look outside the charts. They are full of mindless, repetative shit!
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People more interested in creative music don't buy it, they illegally download/stream it. That's the crux of the problem.
People interested in creative music are much, much more likely to buy it. Who do you think it is that has been keeping the vinyl industry going for the last twenty five years? Robbie Williams fans? The problem is there are not enough of us to compete with the "X is really talented and SOOOOOOO fit!" crowd. |
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Yes because music that get's in the charts is all that exists lol, if you don't like what's in the charts simply look elsewhere, there is tons of what you would deem as creative music available, just stop being lazy and go look for it!
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I think not but for me the issue seems to be people for the most part don't want creative and it fits in with our consumerist culture of qiuck easy convenient music that can be easily digested before the next song of a similar ilk and when someone does to something creative its not appreciated but doesn't mean it's not out there Like Marina & The Diamonds highly commercial incredibly creative if not original but mostly ignored Emeli Sande similar to Adele easy listening good for now until the next one that seems to be the prevailing attitude.
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I think it's just most chart music that's bad. Look beyond Capital FM and the Top 40 and there's loads of good stuff.
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I think it's just most chart music that's bad. Look beyond Capital FM and the Top 40 and there's loads of good stuff.
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I think the music industry is structured in a way that music output is restricted within it's 'creativity.' Producers have a massive influence on sound, appearance and who the target audience should be.
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chart music has always been frowned upon, it was aimed at 'da kidz', however, amongst the 'pop' in the pop charts there was always some credible music. even contemporary pop was new and exciting.
yes there is a lack of creativity, or at least original creativity, because its all been done before. |
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It seems anything can be a hit today. I've heard Will.i.am and Justin Beiber's new single and it's nothing but mindless lyrics and a simple dance beat.
Where is anything new or even going against society? It seems anyone can write a song of five lines and a dance beat then sell. To me I feel music is VERY controlled today and all creativity is being stifled. I think one way would to be punish acts in the charts. Make a panel decide 40% of the charts and make each performer submit a live performance of their song. It stops crap like "Scream and Shout" hitting #1 Failure to do so - banned from the charts and radio for six months. What do you think? |
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Bands nowadays are under a load of pressure to get noticed and appreciated. They focus more on what will sell instead of writing good innovative music that stands out from all the crap the major music industries try to force on us listeners. However, there are a few bands that were lucky enough to gain a big enough fan base to build a career around their creativity. I am thinking of bands like: Arctic Monkeys, Rage Against the Machine, Foo Fighters who define the meaning of raw uncompromising rock music. Here's my list of top fav.
1) Arctic Monkeys 2) Rage Against the Machine 3) Foo Fighters 4) Queens of the Stone Age 5) Kings of Leon 6) The Dead Weather (all Jack White's work) 7) Incubus |
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and The Strokes of course
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Bands nowadays are under a load of pressure to get noticed and appreciated. They focus more on what will sell instead of writing good innovative music that stands out from all the crap the major music industries try to force on us listeners. However, there are a few bands that were lucky enough to gain a big enough fan base to build a career around their creativity. I am thinking of bands like: Arctic Monkeys, Rage Against the Machine, Foo Fighters who define the meaning of raw uncompromising rock music. Here's my list of top fav.
1) Arctic Monkeys 2) Rage Against the Machine 3) Foo Fighters 4) Queens of the Stone Age 5) Kings of Leon 6) The Dead Weather (all Jack White's work) 7) Incubus .Think you are one of the people that Chris_Walton was referring to, to 'delve deeper beneath the mainstream' - at least your not a Capital FM (i.e. crappy mainstream dance / pop they playlist) listener anyway ![]() PS Not saying the above bands haven't released some good stuff in the past, maybe to a lesser extent produce some good stuff in the future. |
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Bands nowadays are under a load of pressure to get noticed and appreciated. They focus more on what will sell instead of writing good innovative music that stands out from all the crap the major music industries try to force on us listeners. However, there are a few bands that were lucky enough to gain a big enough fan base to build a career around their creativity. I am thinking of bands like: Arctic Monkeys, Rage Against the Machine, Foo Fighters who define the meaning of raw uncompromising rock music. Here's my list of top fav.
1) Arctic Monkeys 2) Rage Against the Machine 3) Foo Fighters 4) Queens of the Stone Age 5) Kings of Leon 6) The Dead Weather (all Jack White's work) 7) Incubus |
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Creative music doesn't tend to sell.
Even popular artists who do tracks that would be seen as creative wouldn't put them out as a single because they simply wouldn't sell. |
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agree with embyo and scratchy...plus the strokes.... awful. nothing original or creative there
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If the kids today are just fed a diet of Crap Factor sort of music than proper singers and groups won't stand a chance. For example, how long will a group like No Direction be around?
Them and others can't play instruments, can't write music. They sing a bit and know some dance moves. They also have good PR companies. |
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King Charles
he's won a couple of songwriting awards I think, his lyrics are so different, worth checking out if you're into alternative/folk type stuff. You really do have to look outside the charts.
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As others have said, there is plenty of creativity in music if you are prepared to seek it out! That said, I do think the charts are slowly getting a bit better and more varied again... Gotye having the biggest selling single of 2012 was a step in the right direction, here's hoping we get more hits of that calibre soon.
I definitely don't agree with having a judging panel help decide what charts though - music snobbery has no place in the top 40! |
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chart music has always been frowned upon, it was aimed at 'da kidz', however, amongst the 'pop' in the pop charts there was always some credible music. even contemporary pop was new and exciting.
yes there is a lack of creativity, or at least original creativity, because its all been done before. I'm old enough to have attended a Buddy Holly concert. His music wasnt just 'new' takes on the same old, it was ground breaking stuff and changed what music, let alone 'pop music' actually was. Theres always been utter pap in the charts, it was the Avons in my day, but even bubblegum used to be well crafted music, take 'I want you Back' from the Jackson 5 , its a brilliant piece of music that stands up against anything released this decade, now its all throwaway lyrics and sampled music, and I think thats the crux. Its so easy (and for the labels, importantly, cheap) to create a beat in a computer just from taking what others have done before, that the commercial music world is kind of eating itself , its no wonder they arent doing anything new, because they start with a base of something already done. Of the recent pop stuff, the one that catches my ear are Little Mix (even though I'm 50+ years outside their marketing range), its catchy stuff , and they seem to have lyrics that avoid the usual sexual innuendo cliches that pretty much seem de facto at the minute. The live stuff I've seen clips of shows they at least have some talent behind the hype as well. My recent favourite artist has been Ian Prowse, never commercial barring a couple of minor hits in the '90's , but a great lyricist and songwriter. There are plenty of them out there, if you look. |
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It's not lack of creativity, it's lack of risk taking. Labels play it safe (and sign puppets), signed artists play it safe (and sing crap) and radio stations play it safe (and only play signed artists). It's a cycle tbh.
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Chart music used to push boundaries though.
I'm old enough to have attended a Buddy Holly concert. His music wasnt just 'new' takes on the same old, it was ground breaking stuff and changed what music, let alone 'pop music' actually was. Theres always been utter pap in the charts, it was the Avons in my day, but even bubblegum used to be well crafted music, take 'I want you Back' from the Jackson 5 , its a brilliant piece of music that stands up against anything released this decade, now its all throwaway lyrics and sampled music, and I think thats the crux. Its so easy (and for the labels, importantly, cheap) to create a beat in a computer just from taking what others have done before, that the commercial music world is kind of eating itself , its no wonder they arent doing anything new, because they start with a base of something already done. Of the recent pop stuff, the one that catches my ear are Little Mix (even though I'm 50+ years outside their marketing range), its catchy stuff , and they seem to have lyrics that avoid the usual sexual innuendo cliches that pretty much seem de facto at the minute. The live stuff I've seen clips of shows they at least have some talent behind the hype as well. My recent favourite artist has been Ian Prowse, never commercial barring a couple of minor hits in the '90's , but a great lyricist and songwriter. There are plenty of them out there, if you look. and thats the point... 'its there if you seek it out' mantra .. in the past you didnt HAVE to seek it out. it was reprisented in the singles chart, if you liked that style whatever it was, you then seeked out more. the singles chart was the shop window and i reckon fairly well reprisented every major youth movement in popular music. |
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King Charles
he's won a couple of songwriting awards I think, his lyrics are so different, worth checking out if you're into alternative/folk type stuff. You really do have to look outside the charts.He keeps me warm in the corner
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.Think you are one of the people that Chris_Walton was referring to, to 'delve deeper beneath the mainstream' - at least your not a Capital FM (i.e. crappy mainstream dance / pop they playlist) listener anyway