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Old 19-03-2013, 20:14
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I dont understand why they have moved their clock to the right hand side, looks silly
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Old 19-03-2013, 21:12
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You cannot read it properly any more as it is outside the 4:3 protected area on breakfast.

This only needs to be moved about an inch to the left. Not everyone has a widescreen TV
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Old 19-03-2013, 21:28
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They probably no longer have room for it in-view, since they moved to Salford and started presenting from a broom cupboard.
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Old 19-03-2013, 21:30
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The business woman Steph McGovern (not sure of spelling) has done a video to show what the Breakfast studio looks like, and it is actually quite big, especially the area she sits in....
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Old 19-03-2013, 22:19
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They probably no longer have room for it in-view, since they moved to Salford and started presenting from a broom cupboard.
Broom cupboard, looks fine to me, how much room do they need to present the news and chat to a couple of guests on the sofa
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Old 19-03-2013, 22:26
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they make the news to look right on a HD TV now not a 4:3 TV so you have to go with it you can always watch in letterbox mode it would work ok and the black bars aren't to big as they are partly in the overscan area so its more like 15:9 than 16:9 on a 4:3 in letterbox!
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Old 19-03-2013, 23:14
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For the North West region, maybe the same for others, the horizontal shift of the clock when the region opts is now more noticeable.

It happened with the older LHS clock box, but was less noticeable.

This has been raised with NWT several times over many months, yet nothing is done about it.

Personally, I think the clock should be on the LHS.

So it leads into the picture, not out of it.

(Looking space, I was taught, by the BBC !)
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Old 19-03-2013, 23:54
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You cannot read it properly any more as it is outside the 4:3 protected area on breakfast.

This only needs to be moved about an inch to the left. Not everyone has a widescreen TV
It's outside the 4:3 area?! SHIT THE BED!!!

I didn't even notice this morning as I was too asleep to notice, but I did notice last night that BBC News had missed the chance to shift the clock outside of the 4:3 area.

Get with the present, Jimbo. If you're cropping your image to 4:3 then you need to realise that the world has moved on since the 70s.

I wish Sky News would put their graphics into the 16:9 area as they do on Sky News HD. I thought they'd sneaked in the change during the US Election coverage as they were in 16:9 that night, due to all the graphics they had to fit on the screen, but sadly the next day things were back to normal.

PS. I've just checked today's Breakfast and compared it to a 4:3 image on the same plasma TV. The clock is NOT outside the 4:3 area. Sounds like your overscan is borked.
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Old 20-03-2013, 00:26
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I dont understand why they have moved their clock to the right hand side, looks silly
Now, do I want to watch a programme that's switched its clock to the right hand side...or one that talks non-stop about "One Direction", then cuts to an ad break or competition every five minutes?

Tough one.
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Old 20-03-2013, 04:29
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It's about time all graphics on all channels stopped taking into account the outdated 4:3 area.

Why should a small minority who won't update dictate the standards? It's been a long time since the last 4:3 TVs were on sale now.
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Old 20-03-2013, 06:25
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I like old tech that works, See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8159406.stm
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Old 20-03-2013, 07:00
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Just acknowledged by Bill and Louise. Can watch on iPlayer if you go back to 6:56.

The message is basically deal with it as "it's staying there whether you like it or not".
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Old 20-03-2013, 07:12
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The football scores will be next to be moved outside the 4:3 area.

Its a way to make people buy new Television Sets.

They did the same with the introduction of colour TV in the 1970's using titling that could not be easily read on Black & White TV's.
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Old 20-03-2013, 07:20
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The football scores will be next to be moved outside the 4:3 area.

Its a way to make people buy new Television Sets.

They did the same with the introduction of colour TV in the 1970's using titling that could not be easily read on Black & White TV's.
If that's the case, why did they not do it years ago?
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Old 20-03-2013, 07:22
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They probably no longer have room for it in-view, since they moved to Salford and started presenting from a broom cupboard.
That has to be a joke comment, .......
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Old 20-03-2013, 07:22
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Forcing people to upgrade to more tech totally unnecessarily following DSO? Not going to happen. Those of us with 4:3 who haven't already done so will simply change our settings to Letterbox and keep our non-widescreen CRTs if the 4:3 safe graphics go. Or stop watching certain channels.
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Old 20-03-2013, 07:23
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You cannot read it properly any more as it is outside the 4:3 protected area on breakfast.

This only needs to be moved about an inch to the left. Not everyone has a widescreen TV
Are you sure that it's not down to severe overscan on your TV?

I thought that the graphics were intended to be 4:3-safe
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Old 20-03-2013, 07:30
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You cannot read it properly any more as it is outside the 4:3 protected area on breakfast.

This only needs to be moved about an inch to the left. Not everyone has a widescreen TV
Jimbo. TVs are cheaper than they were ten years ago - go out and treat yourself!! Life's too short to watch on 4:3.
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Old 20-03-2013, 09:03
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On the other hand, life's fine when a 4:3 image from a programme made in 4:3 fills the 4:3 screen!

I and others are perfectly happy with watching 16:9 in a Letterbox fomat on our CRTs. Content is key, format not so much.
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Old 20-03-2013, 09:04
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4:3 safe graphics should be a thing of the past now. Nobody's forcing people to buy a new TV, but these same people make up such a small percentage of TV owners now that they can't expect to be molly coddled ad infinitum.
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Old 20-03-2013, 09:09
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The football scores will be next to be moved outside the 4:3 area.

Its a way to make people buy new Television Sets.
Really? Even those who change their settings on a digibox attached to a 4:3 TV?

Forcing people to upgrade to more tech totally unnecessarily following DSO? Not going to happen. Those of us with 4:3 who haven't already done so will simply change our settings to Letterbox and keep our non-widescreen CRTs if the 4:3 safe graphics go. Or stop watching certain channels.
As has been said earlier, no 4:3 TVs have been on sale for many years. CRT is old news. Stop being a dinosaur.

And "stop watching certain channels"? Oh dear, how sad!

Are you sure that it's not down to severe overscan on your TV?

I thought that the graphics were intended to be 4:3-safe
The Breakfast ones are. I wish more channels would do as Sky Sports News do and make full use of the 16:9 frame. It's forced all pubs to correct their settings in recent times!
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Old 20-03-2013, 09:11
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Nobody's forcing people to buy a new TV, but these same people make up such a small percentage of TV owners now
Does anyone have figures for what percentage that is? I still see quite a few around, especially secondary tvs where people are more likely to be watching Breakfast in e.g. kitchens and bedrooms.
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Old 20-03-2013, 09:23
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4:3 safe graphics should be a thing of the past now. Nobody's forcing people to buy a new TV, but these same people make up such a small percentage of TV owners now that they can't expect to be molly coddled ad infinitum.
Yes there has to be a limit how long this safe 4:3 is shown. Wide screen TVs have been on sale for many years first in CRT, then plasma and LCD.

If people do not want to update their TVs by what is now virtually redundant equipment then they will just have to accept the fact that the very vast majority of viewers do not want graphics in the 4:3 safe zone.
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Old 20-03-2013, 09:39
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On Todays Show

Bill Turnbull said

And the time is twenty five to seven

sorry eight.

And then the sports presenter said

I am not surprised they have made the clock on the screen so small we cant see it !!!!
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Old 20-03-2013, 10:23
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Does anyone have figures for what percentage that is?
I don't know, however there are still over 13,000 households with black-and-white television licences, even 45 years after the first colour television transmissions; so less than a year after the last analogue transmissions, I suspect the proportion of households still watching 4:3 television sets is probably higher than many think. Although it may be some time since it's been possible to buy a 4:3 television, a good CRT set can last a great many years. For many people television is far from being the most important thing in their life - they're not bothered about widescreen or HD, and see no reason to get rid off of a television as long as it's still in good working order.

I still see quite a few around, especially secondary tvs where people are more likely to be watching Breakfast in e.g. kitchens and bedrooms.
Exactly - even when people that have a 16:9 set as their main television, a good proportion of them may be watching Breakfast on their second set which is more likely to be in 4:3. Yes, you can change a digital set top box to letterbox mode, but I bet most 4:3 viewers are watching in centre cut-out. You really have to sitting right up against the television to see anything in 16:9 mode on a 14 inch set.
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