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Old 20-03-2013, 21:08
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I am partially deaf and need headphones for TV sound; however, my wife is not deaf and likes to listen via the setís built-in speakers. Thus far Iíve used a Sony infrared headphone (TMR IF130), whose red and white phono-plugs are connected to the TVís audio-out at the rear of a stubby Scart (out) plug. This does not mute the setís internal speakers and we can both hear the sound perfectly.

However, we want to up-grade to a new Smart TV but are finding that there is no Scart (out) socket on these modern sets. Furthermore, all of the sets which weíve tried in shops are arranged so that the internal speakers are muted as soon as a headphone jack is inserted. It also seems to be the case that the audio-out at the rear of the sets does not run at the same time as the internal speakers Ė you select one or the other via the remote.

We surely cannot be alone in wanting this dual arrangement and fail to understand why the manufacturers do not provide the option of muting or not muting the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in. However, be that as it may, can someone please suggest a work-around which will solve this problem?

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Old 20-03-2013, 21:21
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There is usually 1 scart, it's a non standard compact socket for which you need to plug in an adaptor cable (usually supplied). Which TV are you looking at ?

Examples here

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sa...w=1684&bih=797
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Old 20-03-2013, 21:33
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Another way is to used a separate sound system connected to the audio out of the TV to provide a second audio path. If you already have a radio or stereo system which has an AUX in and a headphone out then you could use that to drive your existing headphones. The TV in this case would need an RCA audio out (red and white phono sockets),

While my Samsung does indeed mute the internal TV speakers when the headphone output is used the RCA audio out is not.

Most expensive option is to get an AV amp or soundbar connect to the optical audio out of a new TV which can be used while the headphones are plugged into the TV. Could be annoying unless you get the audio delay on the amp exactly right though.
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Old 20-03-2013, 21:36
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Another way is to used a separate sound system connected to the audio out of the TV to provide a second audio path. If you already have a radio or stereo system which has an AUX in and a headphone out then you could use that to drive your existing headphones. The TV in this case would need an RCA audio out (red and white phono sockets),
The OP already has headphones with a built in amp (ir). He needs a line level output and believes these are disabled when the speakers are on (not in my experience).
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Old 20-03-2013, 21:39
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Sorry yes., missed that. There may be an option in the Settings menu of the TV set to control this behaviour as there is on my Samsung.
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Old 20-03-2013, 22:09
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Most Panasonic TV's have a separate headphone volume control in the normal sound menu .
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Old 20-03-2013, 23:17
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Thanks for the replies. Iíll go back to Currys to check the model numbers. But in the meantime, do you mean, Ďgrahamlthompsoní, that the Scart on the LG 27, which was our preferred model, may not be compatible with the one which Iím currently using for my Sony infrared headphones? Also, Ďiangradí says that most Panasonics have a separate headphone volume control: does this mean that the internal speaker in a Panasonic is not automatically muted when a jack is inserted?

Iíve read elsewhere that new TVs donít have analogue audio outputs but only digital output. Is this the case and, if so, is it adding to the complication?

Renewed thanks.
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Old 21-03-2013, 12:38
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Thanks for the replies. Iíll go back to Currys to check the model numbers. But in the meantime, do you mean, Ďgrahamlthompsoní, that the Scart on the LG 27, which was our preferred model, may not be compatible with the one which Iím currently using for my Sony infrared headphones? Also, Ďiangradí says that most Panasonics have a separate headphone volume control: does this mean that the internal speaker in a Panasonic is not automatically muted when a jack is inserted?

Iíve read elsewhere that new TVs donít have analogue audio outputs but only digital output. Is this the case and, if so, is it adding to the complication?

Renewed thanks.
It depends on the specific TV - but many only have a digital audio output.

However, you can still use the analogue audio output from the SCART socket - as others have mentioned, your TV will have a SCART socket, but probably via a supplied adaptor (to save space on the back of the set).
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Old 21-03-2013, 18:28
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Well, I've done quite a bit of digging today and it seems that at least one Panasonic smart TV (TX L32E6B) has the option of headphone audio at the same time as speaker audio. However, we'd prefer a 26 or 27 inch TV but I can't find this on the Panasonic website.

We like the silver edging on the above Panasonic and saw the same style on the LG TM2792S. But, alas, none of the LG sets can provide what I need in the way of sound. Does anyone know of a 26 or 27 inch smart TV with the same silver edging as the Panasonic? Or do Panasonic make the same style in the smaller size?

There are a lot of Google hits from people wanting both headphones and internal speakers at the same time; the matter was also covered in a recent article in the Daily Telegraph. I'm really surprised that more manufacturers do not offer this option. I know plenty of people who are now getting a bit deaf and who would like to have TV sound via headphones while the rest of the family listens via internal speakers.

It would be interesting to know which other smart TVs offer this feature apart from Panasonic.

Thanks to all those who responded to my query.

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Old 21-03-2013, 19:42
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Well, I've done quite a bit of digging today and it seems that at least one Panasonic smart TV (TX L32E6B) has the option of headphone audio at the same time as speaker audio. However, we'd prefer a 26 or 27 inch TV but I can't find this on the Panasonic website.

We like the silver edging on the above Panasonic and saw the same style on the LG TM2792S. But, alas, none of the LG sets can provide what I need in the way of sound. Does anyone know of a 26 or 27 inch smart TV with the same silver edging as the Panasonic? Or do Panasonic make the same style in the smaller size?

There are a lot of Google hits from people wanting both headphones and internal speakers at the same time; the matter was also covered in a recent article in the Daily Telegraph. I'm really surprised that more manufacturers do not offer this option. I know plenty of people who are now getting a bit deaf and who would like to have TV sound via headphones while the rest of the family listens via internal speakers.

It would be interesting to know which other smart TVs offer this feature apart from Panasonic.
Most of the Sony ones over the last few years do - the headphone socket can be switched via a menu option to be audio out (speakers still work) or headphones (speakers are turned OFF when headphones are plugged in). A further menu option allows the level to be variable or fixed.

Really it gives you all the options you need, an excellent facility.
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Old 22-03-2013, 00:18
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Willi, you might be interested in the Sony KDL-32HX753. It has a side-facing socket which doubles as a headphones socket and an analogue stereo line-out. Either way, it can be used independently with its own volume control. It's not available in a smaller size than 32 inch though. When it came out it was £700 ish but now the price has dropped although it's stll £100 more than the Panny TX-L32E6B. Link: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL32HX...3909445&sr=8-1

I carried out a search for 32 inch TVs on Which? with the features you require, and in addition to Sony and Panasonic, Toshiba and Philips have one model each, but the reviews for these 2 are dreadful. Really your choice is between Sony and Panasonic (32 inch) only. Sony do manufacture a 26 inch TV for you, the KDL-26EX553, but Which? gave it a very low score and it's not Full HD either, only 1366 x 768.

There may be more Sony and Panasonic models as the problem with Which? is that they are very slow reviewing newer TV models. There aren't any reviews for any TVs launched after Sep 2012.
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Old 22-03-2013, 09:46
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Thanks for the recent replies ... all very helpful.

The 32 inch Panasonic is nice but unfortunately somewhat too big for our situation.

I saw a review for the Sony 26 inch Bravia and the comments on the audio quality were negative: thin, tinny sound reminiscent of early transistor radio! But I suppose that if I'm listening via headphones this poor sound quality would not matter ... (or would it?)

This whole matter is quite a minefield and there must be lots of people who buy a new set thinking they will be able to continue using their old headphones. It's also surprising that charities for the deaf are not taking up the cudgels and putting pressure on manufacturers include the option of headphones and speakers. Surely this could be achieved by a manual switch or a few lines of programming.

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Old 22-03-2013, 11:24
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Willi, You have made an important point about TV sound choices for the hard of hearing. I think that you should contact the deaf charities and see what representation, if any, they have made to the TV manufacturers, and what the results were. A quick Google shows there are 5 charities, but I wouldn't know one from the other, not being part of the deaf community.

Perhaps one of the charities could advise you whether the UK government has any agencies pushing for this, or whether the larger European deaf community has any recommendations ongoing or scheduled.

Really this would be where your main avenues for information would lie, and I suppose you could see your MP and think of ways to bring this to the attention of more people nationwide and increase public awareness.

The RNID has a forum with about 30,000 members by the look of it. You could certainly start a thread there and see what transpires. In fact I would try there first.

Just thinking about this a bit more, Age UK might be another charity worth contacting; as you say it affects very many of the normal population as well, becoming increasingly hard of hearing as we age.

Try starting a thread here on DS in the General Discussion forum and see how many members are hard of hearing and whether they struggle to find an acceptable solution for listening to the TV with their families, and how they have been forced to compromise. See if anyone here knows of any legislation or what representation, if any, has been made by our government or leading charities.
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Old 22-03-2013, 11:59
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Thanks for the recent replies ... all very helpful.

The 32 inch Panasonic is nice but unfortunately somewhat too big for our situation.

I saw a review for the Sony 26 inch Bravia and the comments on the audio quality were negative: thin, tinny sound reminiscent of early transistor radio! But I suppose that if I'm listening via headphones this poor sound quality would not matter ... (or would it?)

This whole matter is quite a minefield and there must be lots of people who buy a new set thinking they will be able to continue using their old headphones. It's also surprising that charities for the deaf are not taking up the cudgels and putting pressure on manufacturers include the option of headphones and speakers. Surely this could be achieved by a manual switch or a few lines of programming.

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You can get wireless headphones that have digital inputs. Sennheiser for example do a set. Mind you it's the wrong side of 300 quid! So it could be an expensive upgrade if you went that route.

But there are cheaper alternatives. You can get inexpensive (relatively) digital to analogue converters which could interface between TV and the wireless headphones base station or an external small amplifier for corded headphones.

For example
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digita...dp/B002AKXG5E/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edifier-Head...dp/B00565X5II/

But as you say would be far easier if manufacturers could be persuaded to equip their sets with headphone sockets directly. Or do they all think we are hooking up their products to external sound systems?
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Old 22-03-2013, 14:55
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I have the 22" version of the Sony you refer to and it has the standard SCART socket on the back along with the standard Phono(RCA) audio outputs.

The 1366 x 768 panel is of no consequence at all on that size of set, I have a 1920 x 1080 for comparison. I bought mine before that Which review, and they did not give it a low score, the 22" is essentially identical to the 26", one makes it to their best buy for small sets.
Which's 'ratings' are weird to say the least to give different ratings 65% and 52% and different * s to virtually identical sets.

All small LCD TVs have a thin sound due to their small speakers in a thin box, not a lot you can do about that except use external speakers.

There are a lot of adjustments to the sound. As always, defaults are too many fancy 'effects' turn those off and it sounds better.

The trouble with those user reviews is they just have not had the set long enough to make a judgements and you don't know their settings etc.

There are a couple of minor points. The screen surround is a dimpled shiny black and convex thus it can catch room lights a bit. No idea why they don't just have matt black which is plain common sense.
The remote is quite small, densly packed buttons, thus easy to hit the wrong one if you have large fingers. Menus are complex, hard to find exactly what you want, but that's the norm for sets these days.

All sets have their little niggles, but basically it's a decent set and does what you require.
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Old 22-03-2013, 15:53
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Willi, You have made an important point about TV sound choices for the hard of hearing. I think that you should contact the deaf charities and see what representation, if any, they have made to the TV manufacturers, and what the results were.
Yes, thanks for that. I will get in touch with the main charity and see what they say. It's not even that I am extremely deaf - I just need headphones to follow closely and to avoid upsetting the neighbours (and my wife!)

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Old 22-03-2013, 15:57
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Yes, thanks for that. I will get in touch with the main charity and see what they say. It's not even that I am extremely deaf - I just need headphones to follow closely and to avoid upsetting the neighbours (and my wife!)

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You could of course get a second pair of phones (same make) and use the same IR transmitter for both for the better half

You can both have the ideal volume level and the neighbours will think you aren't there
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Old 22-03-2013, 16:14
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Thanks for the recent comments, especially the one on the Sony 22 inch: I would guess that the 26 inch has the same spec.

On the other hand, we do prefer the look of the LG TM2792 (27 inch) but I am unable to find out whether the headphone output would drive two pairs of wireless headphones. (Although I did have a pair of wireless headphones before and found that they would drift off frequency.) Are there any which function via Bluetooth? I found out earlier today that the infrared Sony MDR -IF140 has, alas, been discontinued and am unsure whether there are other infrared headphones on the market.

There is no output available apart from the 3.5 headphone socket. Of course, this would mute the internal speakers but my wife and I could both use headphones: I know that various manufacturers supply wireless headphones with two sets of cans. The LG manual gives the following details for headphones:

impedance - 16 ohms
max audio output of headphones 10 mW to 15 mW

Do people think that the above would drive wireless headphones?

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Old 22-03-2013, 16:26
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Thanks for the recent comments, especially the one on the Sony 22 inch: I would guess that the 26 inch has the same spec.

On the other hand, we do prefer the look of the LG TM2792 (27 inch) but I am unable to find out whether the headphone output would drive two pairs of wireless headphones. (Although I did have a pair of wireless headphones before and found that they would drift off frequency.) Are there any which function via Bluetooth? I found out earlier today that the infrared Sony MDR -IF140 has, alas, been discontinued and am unsure whether there are other infrared headphones on the market.

There is no output available apart from the 3.5 headphone socket. Of course, this would mute the internal speakers but my wife and I could both use headphones: I know that various manufacturers supply wireless headphones with two sets of cans. The LG manual gives the following details for headphones:

impedance - 16 ohms
max audio output of headphones 10 mW to 15 mW

Do people think that the above would drive wireless headphones?

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Provided you connect to a single transmitter, there's no practical limit as to how many headphones you can drive. No matter how many devices use the infra red or rf output from the transmitter makes no difference to the transmitter.

Makes no difference to a TV transmitter if 1 million TV's use it or 20 million

Random search

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/7693...Xg#srcid=11270
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Old 22-03-2013, 16:35
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Thanks for the recent comments, especially the one on the Sony 22 inch: I would guess that the 26 inch has the same spec.

On the other hand, we do prefer the look of the LG TM2792 (27 inch) but I am unable to find out whether the headphone output would drive two pairs of wireless headphones. (Although I did have a pair of wireless headphones before and found that they would drift off frequency.) Are there any which function via Bluetooth? I found out earlier today that the infrared Sony MDR -IF140 has, alas, been discontinued and am unsure whether there are other infrared headphones on the market.

There is no output available apart from the 3.5 headphone socket. Of course, this would mute the internal speakers but my wife and I could both use headphones: I know that various manufacturers supply wireless headphones with two sets of cans. The LG manual gives the following details for headphones:

impedance - 16 ohms
max audio output of headphones 10 mW to 15 mW

Do people think that the above would drive wireless headphones?

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You only need one base station whether you have one or one thousand pairs of headphones. As long as each headset is able to receive the signal OK from the base station then they will all work.

Most wireless headphones I've seen seem to be RF. RF has some advantages over infra red. For one thing it can pass through walls which infra red tends not to be able to do. So you could wander off down the garden listening to the telly if you so desire with no direct line of sight to the base station.

I would recommend Sennheiser for headphones, never yet had a really duff pair from them - even the really cheap ones. Though their wireless headphones are perhaps not the cheapest on the market it has to be said.

Eg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-W...dp/B005SO0OD6/

As for the specs of the telly. In some respects they are irrelevant. The wireless base station presents a slightly different load to the TV headphone output compared to corded headphones so there should be no issues over connecting the two. And the TV won't know how many pairs of headphones you are using. So while it may struggle to power 10 pairs of corded headphones at the same time it won't make a blind bit of difference to it if you have 10 wireless headphones listening to the one base station. It sees the same load irrespective of how many headsets are in use.

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Old 23-03-2013, 15:14
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In the end, we opted for the Panasonic TX-L32E6B smart. It was demonstrated in the shop that the headphones can indeed be selected via the menu in such a way that the speaker is not muted. The same goes for the Sony Bravia range. So if anyone has the same requirements, these are the two models to go for. However, it would be as well to insist that this feature is demonstrated in the shop before a purchase.

Renewed thanks to everyone for all the helpful comments.

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Old 09-06-2013, 20:32
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It looks like you have solved your problem, I had a similar one in that once the headphones were plugged into the tv the speakers went off and there was no way of changing settings to have both on at the same time. After much research I have managed a work around which works through my Sky HD box.
I thought I might post it in case it helps others who are not experts like me.
I bought a 3.5mm Stereo Socket to 2 x RCA/Phono Plugs Cable costs about £1.50 plugged it into the audio out of the Sky HD box and then you can plug in either wireless headphones or bluetooth audio dongle to this. Now my hard of hearing hubby can listen with either wireless or bluetooth headphones and I still have the tv speakers, all of which have independent volume control. Sorry if this is obvious to many of you but it wasn't for me.
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Old 09-06-2013, 21:30
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In the end, we opted for the Panasonic TX-L32E6B smart. It was demonstrated in the shop that the headphones can indeed be selected via the menu in such a way that the speaker is not muted. The same goes for the Sony Bravia range. So if anyone has the same requirements, these are the two models to go for. However, it would be as well to insist that this feature is demonstrated in the shop before a purchase.

Renewed thanks to everyone for all the helpful comments.

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I think you would have regretted getting a smaller TV....It's surprising how small they look after a month....
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Old 09-06-2013, 21:40
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I think you would have regretted getting a smaller TV....It's surprising how small they look after a month....
Rather depends on the room size and the viewing distance

Grandson has a 32" at the foot of his bed. Anything bigger would be too large. But yes I have a 40" and would now replace with a larger display
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:37
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Yes, we're very happy with the Panasonic TX-L32E6B smart. I don't understand why more manufacturers have not taken this issue on board. I know that I could use hearing aids but find them uncomfortable. I much prefer headphones for TV, and with the present set-up I can drop the speaker volume to zero if I wish.
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