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Old 06-04-2013, 09:35
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Personally i think its a bit of everything really - but they don't help themselves with that show do they. But then pathetic is maybe part of the attraction i guess.

I know exactly what you mean by the Andrew thing, it'd been built up as a story, promoted. Nobody can say they aren't using it to get people hooked in. People are voyeurs, they love a bit of personal grief. Just look at the huge figures Jade's last shows got, half the country couldn't stand her before.
Cyril, as you've worked on the shows (or some of us are assuming you have...) it would be interesting to have your perspective on the extent of Pete's control over the content. How much of a veto does he have? I remember him saying at an Edinburgh TV festival talk he did with Nev that he's not allowed in the edit room and only sees the finished product when its broadcast. Obviously he has the ultimate veto of walking away from it all but other than that does he have the final say on the production details and 'storyline'?
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:16
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Personally i think its a bit of everything really - but they don't help themselves with that show do they. But then pathetic is maybe part of the attraction i guess.

I know exactly what you mean by the Andrew thing, it'd been built up as a story, promoted. Nobody can say they aren't using it to get people hooked in. People are voyeurs, they love a bit of personal grief. Just look at the huge figures Jade's last shows got, half the country couldn't stand her before.
Yes, some people love a bit of death and grief and misery, it's human interest after all. Personally I think it's intrusive and vulgar, especially when the purpose is not entirely altruistic. I notice there's a post going around FB that features PA meeting the dying girl and it's 'liked' by thousands. Peter and dying people is a thing that is liked! Liked! Big thumbs up to Pete and death! The post flashed up on Mr Bennyboot's newsfeed and he said "well with his brother now unable to make him look like a hero/martyr/suffering/brave/grieving/pitied, he needs another nearly departed to help him achieve that status again!" And while I laughed....just how far from the truth is it? He didn't need to meet the girl on camera. And if she did want to be on TV, we didn't need to hear him sobbing afterwards, it's indulgent.

Already posted that two pages back
Ooop sorry scone, busy day yesterday and skipped though the thread a bit

To be honest, I ain't a huge supporter of Katie Price or Peter Andre or anything to do with any of them but I watched the show on Iplayer and he has had 8 series. I have watched episodes in the past but I am a bit surprised he has had 8 series out of this.

Really, what is so different about series 7 and series 8? Why do ITV keep comissioning the show? Does it get good ratings or have a hardcore following? I'd appreciate if some one could tell me.

I say this because the characters in the show don't really change, nothing dynamic really comes into play. It is just a camera crew following Peter Andre all over the place doing his job or feeding his kids etc. I don't really get it.

You can't really compare it to Big Brother or X Factor which is about winning prize money and recording contract and at least the characters change every series. The ratings must be very good, otherwise Peter Andre is doing a great job at squeezing every drop of publicity out of his life for a TV show.
Yes, it's so tiresomely formulaic - every series of Peter Andre: Aren't I Great? is just variation on the same things so it seems. The series works because it's a televised version of the celebrity gossip magazines and a place where you can still hear Jordan's kids speak. People are still after juice about Jordan and PA:ML provides it.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:21
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To be honest, I ain't a huge supporter of Katie Price or Peter Andre or anything to do with any of them but I watched the show on Iplayer and he has had 8 series. I have watched episodes in the past but I am a bit surprised he has had 8 series out of this.

Really, what is so different about series 7 and series 8? Why do ITV keep comissioning the show? Does it get good ratings or have a hardcore following? I'd appreciate if some one could tell me.

I say this because the characters in the show don't really change, nothing dynamic really comes into play. It is just a camera crew following Peter Andre all over the place doing his job or feeding his kids etc. I don't really get it.

You can't really compare it to Big Brother or X Factor which is about winning prize money and recording contract and at least the characters change every series. The ratings must be very good, otherwise Peter Andre is doing a great job at squeezing every drop of publicity out of his life for a TV show.
Yep. I know it's each to their own but I just don't understand the appeal of this sort of reality show where basically someone just has a life with a camera filming every fart. Sounds to me about as interesting as watching paint dry.
Why the hell do I want to watch any zeleb in Waitrose, having a haircut, on the beach etc?
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:36
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Andre seems to be stuck like a broken record, who on earth still says Austin Power's catchphrases? Him that's who, I have only ever seen two episodes of this drivel and he's always saying, "Yeah baby," and "It's not my bag baby," someone needs to tell him he is not funny, he even told the crappest joke I have ever heard..

"What do you call a chinese postman? May Lin." Pathetic
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:44
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The man is an absolutely desperate tool with an incredibly disingenuous attitude to the media... On the one hand, he witters on about 'press intrusion' and 'respecting his grief in private', then he invites cameras into his every bowel movement and envelope opening.

I can see why he does it though; his music career is a big fat failure and I've got more chance of a sold out tour at Wembley than he has (No doubt, one of his defenders will start quoting figures; his last album reached no 37 in the download charts; it's very difficult for anyone to get into the charts nowadays blah blah blah), but IMHO he is a washed up joke. I used to find him fairly inoffensive and likeable but his increasing desperation for fame is just galling.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:49
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The man is an absolutely desperate tool with an incredibly disingenuous attitude to the media... On the one hand, he witters on about 'press intrusion' and 'respecting his grief in private', then he invites cameras into his every bowel movement and envelope opening.

I can see why he does it though; his music career is a big fat failure and I've got more chance of a sold out tour at Wembley than he has (No doubt, one of his defenders will start quoting figures; his last album reached no 37 in the download charts; it's very difficult for anyone to get into the charts nowadays blah blah blah), but IMHO he is a washed up joke. I used to find him fairly inoffensive and likeable but his increasing desperation for fame is just galling.
His last album went gold which means he sold over 100,000 copies
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:53
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:58
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The man is an absolutely desperate tool with an incredibly disingenuous attitude to the media... On the one hand, he witters on about 'press intrusion' and 'respecting his grief in private', then he invites cameras into his every bowel movement and envelope opening.

I can see why he does it though; his music career is a big fat failure and I've got more chance of a sold out tour at Wembley than he has (No doubt, one of his defenders will start quoting figures; his last album reached no 37 in the download charts; it's very difficult for anyone to get into the charts nowadays blah blah blah), but IMHO he is a washed up joke. I used to find him fairly inoffensive and likeable but his increasing desperation for fame is just galling.
Totally agree, I used to think he was okay, a wanabee but a nice guy who had his heart in the right place. Now I think his real colours are shinning through.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:59
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His last album went gold which means he sold over 100,000 copies
I wonder how many of those Claire bought
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:03
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I wonder how many of those Claire bought
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:46
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I say this because the characters in the show don't really change, nothing dynamic really comes into play. It is just a camera crew following Peter Andre all over the place doing his job or feeding his kids etc. I don't really get it.
Basically its this ... late twenties, thirties women feel sorry for him or/and want someone like him. (or what he's portrayed to be like)

Sometimes they are single moms or even married ones with "boring" husbands and see PA as the perfect single dad/stepfather, he cares about the kids- whilst the dad of their kid will be off somewhere with their new partner and they'll hate him or in the case of married, their husband will be some poor bloke slaving away for her working in some mundane job. But they'll see PA as exciting - he goes to all these celeb doo's - and he's even a bit hopeless and pathetic - so he's got the underdog story too.

All that is exactly the right target market advertisers want - plus someone following him around with a camera is dead cheap, so he won't be getting paid much, especially as CAN don't make it now

Plus i think Daisy is spot on too above - still PA/KP stuff, still his kids etc.

The clue in "why" is to watch the adverts - probably soap powder, morrisons, take a break magazine etc.

Also in PA TV shows ... you NEVER see the Nannies! Cos obviously if you did, it would take away from the single dad routine.

But i think if they could get Harry Styles to do it they'd drop Petey in 5 seconds.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:51
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The man is an absolutely desperate tool with an incredibly disingenuous attitude to the media... On the one hand, he witters on about 'press intrusion' and 'respecting his grief in private', then he invites cameras into his every bowel movement and envelope opening.

I can see why he does it though; his music career is a big fat failure and I've got more chance of a sold out tour at Wembley than he has (No doubt, one of his defenders will start quoting figures; his last album reached no 37 in the download charts; it's very difficult for anyone to get into the charts nowadays blah blah blah), but IMHO he is a washed up joke. I used to find him fairly inoffensive and likeable but his increasing desperation for fame is just galling.
Couldn't agree more Pru
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:53
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Totally agree, I used to think he was okay, a wanabee but a nice guy who had his heart in the right place. Now I think his real colours are shinning through.
Ditto.

I was 100% in his corner when he split with KP but I soon realised he was just as desperate and attention seeking as her, just with a different MO
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:03
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So the reason PA is such a pathetic little sh*t is because of his manager, his ex wife and now the voice over woman what about the go compare bloke ? may as well make him take some responsibility too, as some seem to think everybody but andre is responsible for his own actions
In a nutshell. Nothing is ever poor old DOTY's fault.

God's sake! The narration is down to CAN, this is how they want to present him, no room for ambiguity there, it's 'poor little Pete' all the way. CAN works for Pete. If he didn't agree with the narrative or like the way he was being portrayed, then he'd do something about it. That he doesn't means he doesn't have a prob with it. The narration has always been like this, it's not as if it's a new thing, although they certainly upped the gag-factor in the last series and it sounds, from the HuffPo's review, that this new one is no different.

But no, its easier to blame everyone and everything else rather than see DOTY for what he is.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:05
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I think we should add another 999 to that.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:08
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I think we should add another 999 to that.
I thought I'd leave a thousand because people still go to his gigs
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:24
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Also in PA TV shows ... you NEVER see the Nannies! Cos obviously if you did, it would take away from the single dad routine.
Yes you do they're regularly there transporting the children around and in the background at events. There's no suggestion that Pete looks after the children single-handed but he seems to prefer employing his family where possible - his older cousins (can't remember the names) frequently appeared in past series looking after the children and Magda in the last series.

For a man who according to the thread FMs gets paid peanuts for his reality show and buys all his own CDs he's somehow managed to amass a personal fortune of 8 million so his endorsements and other businesses must be extremely lucrative.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:39
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So the reason PA is such a pathetic little sh*t is because of his manager, his ex wife and now the voice over woman what about the go compare bloke ? may as well make him take some responsibility too, as some seem to think everybody but andre is responsible for his own actions
In a nutshell. Nothing is ever poor old DOTY's fault.

God's sake! The narration is down to CAN, this is how they want to present him, no room for ambiguity there, it's 'poor little Pete' all the way. CAN works for Pete. If he didn't agree with the narrative or like the way he was being portrayed, then he'd do something about it. That he doesn't means he doesn't have a prob with it. The narration has always been like this, it's not as if it's a new thing, although they certainly upped the gag-factor in the last series and it sounds, from the HuffPo's review, that this new one is no different.

But no, its easier to blame everyone and everything else rather than see DOTY for what he is.
In fairness, if this is in response to my post where I stated that " I think he comes across better than the 'voiceover' part anyway, if that makes sense - if it wasn't for the constant 'It's only been 4 weeks', 'he's being so brave', etc it would have been better.", then I think that is hugely exaggerating what I actually said.

I certainly didn't intend to 'blame everyone and everything else' and see him as 'perfect', and if that is how my post came across I apologise. And no, I certainly don't think it is the 'fault' of the narrator, who I imagine is just paid to speak her lines. It is the 'fault' of everyone involved in the editing of the show, including Peter Andre, who I imagine after however many years, and as a grown man, has a say in how he would like to be portrayed.

But I still think it is fair to say that the constant voiceover does nothing to make him seem better, with the constant "Pete is being so brave", "It's only been 4 weeks", "Pete is doing it for his fans". I certainly wasn't trying to imply that he has no responsibility for it, or that he is perfect and everyone else is to blame - as I stated in my post, I find many things about him incredibly irritating, such as the constant reassurance, the trying to get sympathy, the 'desperateness', the use of his children (and as an aside, the fact that he always seems to be 'running late').
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:39
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Yes, some people love a bit of death and grief and misery, it's human interest after all. Personally I think it's intrusive and vulgar, especially when the purpose is not entirely altruistic. I notice there's a post going around FB that features PA meeting the dying girl and it's 'liked' by thousands. Peter and dying people is a thing that is liked! Liked! Big thumbs up to Pete and death! The post flashed up on Mr Bennyboot's newsfeed and he said "well with his brother now unable to make him look like a hero/martyr/suffering/brave/grieving/pitied, he needs another nearly departed to help him achieve that status again!" And while I laughed....just how far from the truth is it? He didn't need to meet the girl on camera. And if she did want to be on TV, we didn't need to hear him sobbing afterwards, it's indulgent.
It seems voyeurism is an integral part of the human condition. There is plenty of other programmes/books/films/documentaries ect ect that focus on death or emotional upheaval. Andre and co are hardly the first to exploit that in the name of entertainment. We can, and rightfully so, criticise them for it, but there is no denying people are programmed to want to watch this type of thing.
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Some of the mums at the school have organised a day out to see PA perform in West Malling in July and asked if I was interested - I politely declined.
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In fairness, if this is in response to my post where I stated that " I think he comes across better than the 'voiceover' part anyway, if that makes sense - if it wasn't for the constant 'It's only been 4 weeks', 'he's being so brave', etc it would have been better.", then I think that is hugely exaggerating what I actually said.

I certainly didn't intend to 'blame everyone and everything else' and see him as 'perfect', and if that is how my post came across I apologise. And no, I certainly don't think it is the 'fault' of the narrator, who I imagine is just paid to speak her lines. It is the 'fault' of everyone involved in the editing of the show, including Peter Andre, who I imagine after however many years, and as a grown man, has a say in how he would like to be portrayed.

But I still think it is fair to say that the constant voiceover does nothing to make him seem better, with the constant "Pete is being so brave", "It's only been 4 weeks", "Pete is doing it for his fans". I certainly wasn't trying to imply that he has no responsibility for it, or that he is perfect and everyone else is to blame - as I stated in my post, I find many things about him incredibly irritating, such as the constant reassurance, the trying to get sympathy, the 'desperateness', the use of his children (and as an aside, the fact that he always seems to be 'running late').

But if I am wrong then I apologise for my previous post, because clearly it sounded more stupid than I intended it to.
No, Smithy, not at all. You're spot on re the narration making it so much more painful to view - that's always been pointed out on here and it's a totally valid point. The narration is what makes it all so sickly and 'foot-through-the-tv' ish.

Mine is far more to do with how if PA had a prob with it, he'd do something concrete about it. As in, if he doesn't like being portrayed as such a pathetically needy sap, why go along with it?
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:57
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Yes you do they're regularly there transporting the children around and in the background at events. There's no suggestion that Pete looks after the children single-handed but he seems to prefer employing his family where possible - his older cousins (can't remember the names) frequently appeared in past series looking after the children and Magda in the last series.
Do you? Blimey that's changed then. I'm gonna try to watch it on itv player - god help me. Doesn't surprise me about Magda, big effort to bring the wider family in.
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Old 06-04-2013, 13:02
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I wonder how many of those Claire bought
I remember when they used to make a big deal of telling him he was the number one selling cd in Asda THIS WEEK and it'd be the exact week he had to go off up and down the country doing appearances in the stores. Bit humiliating your fans wont buy your music without a bribe. The next week up it'd crash out of the charts.
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Old 06-04-2013, 13:06
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In fairness, if this is in response to my post where I stated that " I think he comes across better than the 'voiceover' part anyway, if that makes sense - if it wasn't for the constant 'It's only been 4 weeks', 'he's being so brave', etc it would have been better.", then I think that is hugely exaggerating what I actually said.

I certainly didn't intend to 'blame everyone and everything else' and see him as 'perfect', and if that is how my post came across I apologise. And no, I certainly don't think it is the 'fault' of the narrator, who I imagine is just paid to speak her lines. It is the 'fault' of everyone involved in the editing of the show, including Peter Andre, who I imagine after however many years, and as a grown man, has a say in how he would like to be portrayed.

But I still think it is fair to say that the constant voiceover does nothing to make him seem better, with the constant "Pete is being so brave", "It's only been 4 weeks", "Pete is doing it for his fans". I certainly wasn't trying to imply that he has no responsibility for it, or that he is perfect and everyone else is to blame - as I stated in my post, I find many things about him incredibly irritating, such as the constant reassurance, the trying to get sympathy, the 'desperateness', the use of his children (and as an aside, the fact that he always seems to be 'running late').
No Smithy as Lexi stated nothing to do with your post at all, for me this goes wayyy back, Ive never believed that a grown man who has been around the block as many times as he has can be made to do anything he dosent want to against his will, especially when it comes to using his loved ones that voice over woman is saying exactly what HE wants her to say...hes being quite clever really because by making out hes just a mindless victim, when things go wrong for him hes already made sure that hes got a scapegoat in place, to blame
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No, Smithy, not at all. You're spot on re the narration making it so much more painful to view - that's always been pointed out on here and it's a totally valid point. The narration is what makes it all so sickly and 'foot-through-the-tv' ish.

Mine is far more to do with how if PA had a prob with it, he'd do something concrete about it. As in, if he doesn't like being portrayed as such a pathetically needy sap, why go along with it?
Thank-you, much appreciated.

I think he definitely does want to be portrayed as 'brave' and 'sensitive' and 'strong' and 'caring', etc, etc, etc, maybe he is not seeing the desperateness when he watches himself. He seems to need constant reassurance from everyone that he is doing ok, that everyone should know how much he loves his children and vice versa (and ditto with the girlfriend now), that he is 'deep' about everything, that his fans love him etc. Which may well be true, but if he (and his management and editing team) stopped trying to force it on the viewers and let it come across naturally he would seem far less fake.
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