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Old 21-03-2013, 21:34
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I've been thinking about this for a few days, and it's suddenly struck me. Could Clara be a female version of Captain Jack Harkness? I mean, Captain Jack Harkness has been known to die, then come back to life. Captain Jack Harkness could really be a Time Lord in disguise.

Jack did lose two years of his memory once, so the Time Lordy bits could have been erased. He said he was from the 51st Century, and the Boeshane Peninsula. Someone could have planted those memories into his head, when the memories of two years of his life was erased.

Another thing I've thought of is, that Clara could be Jenny, the Doctor's daughter, regenerated. Jenny did die, but she came back to life, without regenerating. She was still within a certain number of hours after being 'created'.

Maybe she had some trouble somewhere, then 'died' and had to regenerate. And Clara as we know her to look like came about. Also, she could have been hipnotised to change her name from Jenny to Clara, not knowing that she used to be called Jenny.

It would be nice if the Doctor found out at the end of the 8 part run that Clara is really Jenny, regenerated and that she was forced to change her name and forget her life as Jenny existed.

Just a thought. What do you think?
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Old 21-03-2013, 21:48
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Both nice ideas but I'm struggling to see how either of them are feasible. The big question is how can she be spread across space and time with no recollection of her other selves and indeed of no knowledge of the Doctor and no hint that she indeed can regenerate or be reborn. She was turned into a Dalek as well...
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Old 21-03-2013, 22:04
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The big question is how can she be spread across space and time with no recollection of her other selves and indeed of no knowledge of the Doctor.
Yes, but she can still remember liking souffles and wanting to cook them. She liked to cook souffles when she was trapped inside a Dalek in AOTD, last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXmXDFQfhGw

Go to 00:15 and see for yourself.
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Old 21-03-2013, 22:20
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The problem is that there are so many loops that have to be jumped through to make the idea fit, then you could argue that just about any character, male or female, that has ever appeared in Who could be Captain Jack or Jenny.

Basically, if you take any character, remove all their memories and personality, and put them into another body, then they could be any other character.

The whole Melody -> Mels -> River thing is as silly as we're likely to get along those lines.
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Old 21-03-2013, 22:22
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The problem is that there are so many loops that have to be jumped through to make the idea fit, then you could argue that just about any character, male or female, that has ever appeared in Who could be Captain Jack or Jenny.

Basically, if you take any character, remove all their memories and personality, and put them into another body, then they could be any other character.

The whole Melody -> Mels -> River thing is as silly as we're likely to get along those lines.
Sorry, what? Are you admitting the River thing was silly. johnny?
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Old 21-03-2013, 22:33
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Not really liking either of those. And I sincerely doubt she is anyone we have met before being introduced to Oswin.

I hope she's new. They certainly don't need to bring anyone back in another form.
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Old 21-03-2013, 22:38
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There is just no way that Clara is Jenny or anyone else. She is Clara. An amazing and wonderful new character with a mystery all her own and who will go down as a classic character in her own right.
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Old 22-03-2013, 01:15
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Sorry, what? Are you admitting the River thing was silly. johnny?
Yes, yes I am. If by 'the River thing' you mean the revelation that someone the characters knew turned out to be a completely different person, who was significant in the Whoniverse.

In that particular case, they did it the only way they could - by introducing the character and the revelation in one swift swoop. Even if there was even the barest hint of a connection a few weeks before, it would be leapt on and guessed, destroying any impact it had. Unfortunately, going the other way also lessened the impact.

So, I guess I'd summarise by saying introducing a character with the revelation that they are in fact a completely different character doesn't tend to work very well.
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Old 22-03-2013, 01:30
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Was looking at a few theories on YouTube... the one which makes most sense is that Clara (Oswin/Oswald) is in fact the little girl aka computer Cal from Silence in The Library (Series 4).

OS-win/OS-wald OS - operating system??

She would have stored River Song, who would then have sent little Cal to meet the doctor as Clara and Oswald in order to take him back to the library and change River's future.
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Old 22-03-2013, 03:07
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I've never understood the logic people use to assume Clara has some connection to Jack.

Jack's immortal yes, but technically, Clara isn't. The versions of her that appeared "Asylum" and "The Snowmen" both died for real; they didn't come back. The Doctor even stayed around long enough for the second Clara to be buried.

The very fact she's died should be enough; "Children of Earth" gave us Jack's daughter (who looked older than him), and his grandson, who SPOILERS dies.

The way I see it, Clara is a single person spread out over several individuals. Two of these individuals have died, and the living ones seems to have some residual memory or sort.

They each seem to be born in their respective time periods, with their own families and lives (Dalek-Clara mentioned her mother's birthday, and in the recent clip we go, the Doctor says that Modern-Clara's dad rang her up).

As for how this is possible? I'm not to sure. I'm reminded of the Jaggaroth from the Fourth Doctor story "The City of Death" when I think about Clara's situation, but I highly doubt she'll have any connection to them.
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Old 22-03-2013, 18:07
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Could she be Susan Foreman, regenerated? She is the Doctor's Granddaughter, after all. So she is a Time Lord, or rather, Time Lady. It just came to me, that thought. I think she might be.

She could even be the mystery woman from The End Of Time in late 2009, originally played by The Haunting's Claire Bloom. She seemed as though she was a Time Lady, as she was in the group of Time Lords with Rassilon (James Bond's Timothy Dalton).
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Old 22-03-2013, 18:48
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She's very clearly NOT a regenerated anyone. She has died twice. If she was a Timelord I'm pretty sure there would have been a bit of glowing and and bright yellow flaming energy discharge that we might have noticed...
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Old 22-03-2013, 19:41
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I'm certain she is a NEW character, with a NEW storyline. Why is there this obsession that every new character has to be related to someone ellse (especially those as obscure as CAL)? It may have been done with River, but Moffat is original enough to not do the same thing again.
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Old 22-03-2013, 20:00
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At some point in the future, at the Fields of Trenzalore, Matt's Doctor (rather clumsily) regenerates into a hot woman.

The Universe isn't sure what to make of this, and is generally divided. Unfortunately, the mixture of traditionalist fury and outdated feminism causes a cataclysmic explosion in the heart of the TARDIS, splintering the controversial (and under-rated, some would argue) new Doctor across time and space like components of a ridiculously delicate phone across a harmless, fluffy carpet (because some things are just too darn stupid an idea to exist the way the maker intended).

In an attempt to "get the ruddy brush 'n' pan, pronto", reality is 'retconned' (by whom? That is the mystery, wooOOoo...) so that these individual components - now with only a single heart, though still packing two very luscious looking x chromosomes - become doomed to meet an untimely, overly-dramatic demise if the Doc so much as greets them from afar.

The Silence try to prevent the whole embarrassment from happening, but unfortunately the Doctor couldn't spot a predestination paradox if it hit him in the face. They're like rakes to him. Convolutedly placed rakes.

Then, what do you know, The Doc manages to take off in the TARDIS with a Clara on board. Are the mysteriously manipulative cosmic forces sleeping on the job? Or is this part of the plan? Who knows, but fists are a-shaking, that is for sure, and there's hell to pay...

Stay tuned...

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Old 22-03-2013, 20:06
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I'm certain she is a NEW character, with a NEW storyline. Why is there this obsession that every new character has to be related to someone ellse (especially those as obscure as CAL)? It may have been done with River, but Moffat is original enough to not do the same thing again.
Precisely and even then River was a new character...the fact she turned out to be Amy and Rorys SPOILERS daughter doesn't change that fact. She wasn't Romana. She wasn't Susan. She wasn't Adrics long lost sister. As I said before the only time in New Who a character has turned out to be an old face returning was Prof Yana and even then he was only in two thirds of an episode and the set up made sense.

It is fun to speculate but sometimes it just gets silly.

All this stuff is very popular recently, or at least last few years since Lost and other shows. People tend to assume everything is some big secret mysterious puzzle that the show runners are daring us to fit together and solve the enigma. When really some characters are just exactly what they seem. And why not? Doesn't make Claras mystery any less mysterious if she isn't somehow tied in to some ancient aspect of the show. In fact her being all brand new makes it more mysterious. If Clara was Cal/Jenny/Susan/Sparrow/Rani/Romana it would be a bit lame and show a paucity of ideas on Moffats part.

However I wouldn't be surprised if she has some link to either the past or at least Gallifrey.
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Old 22-03-2013, 20:07
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She'll probably be a grown up version of the girl that became Cal in Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead episodes.
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Old 22-03-2013, 20:17
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She's River song. The flirting and kissing gives it away. The Doctor is too good to mess about. If she's not River she's the next Doctor.
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Old 22-03-2013, 20:23
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I'm thinking she might be something fairly simple. Like somehow she's splintered across time, but I think they'll be an interesting story around how and why.
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Old 22-03-2013, 21:06
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I don't mean to be rude but why is it so difficult to believe that Clara is actually a new character and not connected to a past one?

She can't be a female version of Jack because last time I check, Time Agents are not Time Lords.

She's not THAT Jenny because we've already seen her flirting/kissing with the Doctor and will do so again in 7B.

She's not River because last time I checked there's more to the show than just one character and we've seen all of River's incarnations.

And she's not the Doctor because the character is male and will remain so, regardless of what some think.

Basically, she's someone new.
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Old 22-03-2013, 21:34
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EXACTLY! The only mystery is how what appears to be the same girl can exsist in at least 3 time frames.
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Old 22-03-2013, 22:57
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At first I thought she might be something to do with a Tardis, somehow linked or a hologram but then the Doctor wouldn't be able to touch a hologram

She could have a perception filter similar to Signora Calvierri in Vampires Of Venice but not sure if the perception filter works if in physical contact.

She could be an egyptian goddess that has taken the form of Clara and is trying to trick the Doctor somehow when he is most vulnerable to gain access to The Tardis.


Just a few ideas.
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Old 22-03-2013, 22:57
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She could be something to do with the flesh clones that we saw in the Rebel Flesh/Almost People storyline in 2011. I think they've perfected her clone so that she doesn't look fleshy anymore.

Another idea I've just thought of. She could be Idris, the female Tardis, but a version of her from before she met the Doctor.
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Old 22-03-2013, 23:55
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She could be something to do with the flesh clones that we saw in the Rebel Flesh/Almost People storyline in 2011. I think they've perfected her clone so that she doesn't look fleshy anymore.

Another idea I've just thought of. She could be Idris, the female Tardis, but a version of her from before she met the Doctor.
or she could be a new character. Are you just throwing out random names now in lieu of an actual theory that might make even a slight bit of sense?
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Old 23-03-2013, 08:36
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or she could be a new character. Are you just throwing out random names now in lieu of an actual theory that might make even a slight bit of sense?
And they wonder why Hollywood never has any new ideas...
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Old 23-03-2013, 08:57
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In my opinion there are two likely and logical answers

1 she's a dalek infiltrating the doctors life

2 she's a part of the TARDIS

Doesn't mean they are the right answer but logical and likely they are.

Personally I have a feeling it's 1, which then brings up the question is she good or bad?
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