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Old 24-03-2013, 05:12
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I ask this question purely based on the fact that without American military backing it is likely it would crumble. I recalled them unilaterally declaring the state of israel without American backing initially, they later fell in line. The "Holy Land" on which Israel claims dominion was never meant to be claimed for one individual faith or religion. It is interesting how the majority Islamic countries do not recognise Israel, or have no diplomatic relations. Based on past and current U.N. charters Israel doesn't even have a right to exist, yet it is remarkable how it is recognised by most Western economies. Interestingly some see the establishment of Zion as acceptable based on the results of the holocaust (is so which holocaust as there was more than one?). Israel has declared dominion over a land which was never intended to belong to one people. Sadly we have the terrible situation in which many human rights abuses are committed by Israel, in how they treat Palestinians not allowing free trade.

Does the state of Israel have a legal right to exist based on interational law and conventions?
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Old 24-03-2013, 05:37
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The "Holy Land" on which Israel claims dominion was never meant to be claimed for one individual faith or religion.
Says who?

Does the state of Israel have a legal right to exist based on interational law and conventions?
Well it is recognised as a sovereign state by every single major international organisation, so I would say the answer is yes.
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Old 24-03-2013, 08:46
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Just checked the map and yes it there , try looking just on the right hand side of the Mediterranean Sea
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Old 24-03-2013, 08:58
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Just checked the map and yes it there , try looking just on the right hand side of the Mediterranean Sea
but its not on my map.
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Old 24-03-2013, 08:59
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You've acknowledged that it does exist with your first sentance, I.e. "it" would crumble without American support.

According to wiki a sovereign state is:

".......a political organization with a centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. It has a permanent population, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states."

Israel meets this definition completely.

The question of should have the right to exist is irrelevant; they do and that's the end of it.
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Old 24-03-2013, 09:04
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i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

I would support a non-Jewish Israel.
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Old 24-03-2013, 09:26
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i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

I would support a non-Jewish Israel.
I agree, its an artificial state.
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Old 24-03-2013, 09:53
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Does the state of Israel have a legal right to exist based on interational law and conventions?
Yes it does.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:36
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It does, but it shouldn't
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:43
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It was a mistake for the Israeli state to be created, but now it does it cannot be "uncreated".

What is wrong is their continual defiance of international law by extending their territory by means of building illegal settlements, often populated by fanatics.

The displaced Palestinian people have a right to live in a sovereign state based on 1967 borders.
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:06
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It is of interest to Jewish Israel to come to a permanent solution otherwise in a relatively few years the Jewish State will cease to exist
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:06
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Wasn't it the British who gave them that landmass after the second world war? Not sure what conditions had been attached to them living side by side with the Palestinians at the time of handover.
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:14
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I'm glad to see all the fruit loops, nut jobs and socialist workers have gravitated to this inane thread. Perhaps they would be kind enough to stay here and metaphorically play with themselves?!
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:15
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i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

I would support a non-Jewish Israel.
wtf is a non jewish israel?

are you saying that your objection is not political, you just don't like jews?
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:24
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Yes it's there

And many countries in the world only exist because of military even UK
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:34
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I'm glad to see all the fruit loops, nut jobs and socialist workers have gravitated to this inane thread. Perhaps they would be kind enough to stay here and metaphorically play with themselves?!
In what category do you fall then?
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:08
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i think the real question is - should a Jewish Israel exist .. my answer is no.

I would support a non-Jewish Israel.
Are you keen to see a non Islamic Republic of Iran too? Or is this a Jewish thing?
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:11
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Wasn't it the British who gave them that landmass after the second world war? Not sure what conditions had been attached to them living side by side with the Palestinians at the time of handover.
The UN were instrumental in setting up the State of Israel.

Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h.../html/1947.stm
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:14
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Israeli state exists BUT it's borders remain undefined .... strange setup
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:20
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God said so, obviously.
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:38
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The UN were instrumental in setting up the State of Israel.

Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h.../html/1947.stm
...and that underpins Israel's full legitimacy as a separate state as does UN resolution 181: http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7...256c330061d253

However, the Palestinians are equally entitled to a viable state of their own as President Obama quite rightly stated in his speech in Jerusalem last week:
Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land.

...the Palestinian people's right to self-determination and justice must also be recognized.

...and that an independent Palestine must be viable– that real borders will have to be drawn.
Unfortunately, threads about the current impasse in the Middle East seem to attract the usual suspects comprising the extreme right, the far left and militants all motivated by the same outlook: prejudice.

Genuine progressives ought instead to be supporting those charities, civic groups, peace movements and political parties that seek to bring Palestinians and Israelis together and that press for peace.
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Old 24-03-2013, 13:10
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It was a mistake for the Israeli state to be created, but now it does it cannot be "uncreated".

What is wrong is their continual defiance of international law by extending their territory by means of building illegal settlements, often populated by fanatics.

The displaced Palestinian people have a right to live in a sovereign state based on 1967 borders.
The rhetoric and the actions of the Arab nations prior to 1967 and subsequently would not incline me to trust the maintenance of the 67 borders in perpetuity. If you say you will sweep the Jews into the sea as a Jewish person would you believe that, most especially when gunmen were continually infiltrating your narrow borders prior to 67?
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Old 24-03-2013, 13:18
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but its not on my map.

You must have bought your map from the world renowned emporium for conscientious cartographers.
#Hamasshop.
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Old 24-03-2013, 13:37
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yes the State of Israel exist, and would fight to the last man women and child, to save it self from people who would like to make it vanish off the face of the world
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Old 24-03-2013, 14:09
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I ask this question purely based on the fact that without American military backing it is likely it would crumble.
I think they have done quite well without American backing and they did quite well without American backing when they fought the British for independence. The only reason the US is interested in Israel is because they support their interests in the Middle East. So yes of course the State of Israel exists.
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