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Old 24-03-2013, 00:05
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http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/g...cks---he-says-

Its the second question in the video and after a bit of explaining he says the greatest way to please everyone and it's really simple

Don't allow the sale of second hand games during a three month launch window

I think that would work, anyone who is interested in the game will buy within three months, so then developers and publishers won't be as affected by used games sales
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Old 24-03-2013, 09:46
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I think they have got it right with the buying online code to play online. I would have it so there is no used games like on the PC my only concen would be later on when games are sold 15 years later.
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Old 24-03-2013, 09:48
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Not everyone can afford to pay 50 for a game. I think it is disgusting that they charge such high prices.

2nd hand games are better and we should not be penalised.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:00
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Not everyone can afford to pay 50 for a game. I think it is disgusting that they charge such high prices.

2nd hand games are better and we should not be penalised.
If you can't afford to pay 50 for a game (who ever pays 50 for a game though?) then don't buy the game. Disgusting? Why is it disgusting? The production budgets of top-tier AAA games would make all but the biggest Hollywood movie producers weep, you actually get damn good value in terms of -per-minute with most single-player campaigns alone, and that's without the hours of multiplayer most people get from games these days..

Most new games retail at 40. Games retailers will generally sell pre-owned copies of new releases for 37-38. The saving is nominal, but how much of that money do Game/HMV take? All of it. Not a penny goes to the people that made the game.

Sorry, but this whiny self-entitled attitude to used games gets my goat.

I think a three-month window would be perfectly reasonable, and a good middle ground for gamers, retailers and developers.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:11
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I usually wait for the sales figures to be less than expected and pick a game up in Tesco or Asda.
Seemed to work for Tekken Tag Tournament 2.
Don't know how well it did, but it was half price after about 6 weeks.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:26
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If you can't afford to pay 50 for a game (who ever pays 50 for a game though?) then don't buy the game. Disgusting? Why is it disgusting? The production budgets of top-tier AAA games would make all but the biggest Hollywood movie producers weep, you actually get damn good value in terms of -per-minute with most single-player campaigns alone, and that's without the hours of multiplayer most people get from games these days..

Most new games retail at 40. Games retailers will generally sell pre-owned copies of new releases for 37-38. The saving is nominal, but how much of that money do Game/HMV take? All of it. Not a penny goes to the people that made the game.

Sorry, but this whiny self-entitled attitude to used games gets my goat.

I think a three-month window would be perfectly reasonable, and a good middle ground for gamers, retailers and developers.
I want Simcity. It is 50 in Game. It is less than that on Amazon but their reviews say it is full of bugs. So I need to buy locally to see for myself as otherwise, it is a hassle to send back while in town, I can just walk in and say I want my money back.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:37
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I want Simcity. It is 50 in Game. It is less than that on Amazon but their reviews say it is full of bugs. So I need to buy locally to see for myself as otherwise, it is a hassle to send back while in town, I can just walk in and say I want my money back.
Sim City is full of bugs, I can tell you that without you having to buy it, and I've not played a Sim City game since that SNES, it's the biggest Gaming f***-up since, well, since Alien Colonial Marines last month.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:45
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It gets on my nerves that people complain about second hand game sales, potential playing on the new Xbox etc.
I'm sorry but PC gamers have had this for many years, was there any outcry, press articles etc...No!

Deal with it.

Sorry, rant over.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:56
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Not everyone can afford to pay 50 for a game. I think it is disgusting that they charge such high prices.

2nd hand games are better and we should not be penalised.
I have yet to pay 50 for a new game (that wasn't a special edition) 38 ish seems to be the average price for newly released games. And if you wait a couple of weeks (to maybe a month) most games come down in price by ten to fifteen pound.

If you can't afford to pay 50 for a game (who ever pays 50 for a game though?) then don't buy the game. Disgusting? Why is it disgusting? The production budgets of top-tier AAA games would make all but the biggest Hollywood movie producers weep, you actually get damn good value in terms of -per-minute with most single-player campaigns alone, and that's without the hours of multiplayer most people get from games these days..

Most new games retail at 40. Games retailers will generally sell pre-owned copies of new releases for 37-38. The saving is nominal, but how much of that money do Game/HMV take? All of it. Not a penny goes to the people that made the game.

Sorry, but this whiny self-entitled attitude to used games gets my goat.

I think a three-month window would be perfectly reasonable, and a good middle ground for gamers, retailers and developers.
I tend to agree with you with everything you say here. And it too gets my goat when I here people saying things like this.
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:02
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Not everyone can afford to pay 50 for a game. I think it is disgusting that they charge such high prices.

2nd hand games are better and we should not be penalised.
What is this magical 'affordable' price then?

Because surely after a cooling off period of three months and like i said everyone who really it and can afford it, will already own it so sales with stagnate and the price would plummet, allowing people such as yourself to afford it more cheaply

Let's not forget while your on your not everyone can afford it high horse that gaming is a privilege not a right, if you can't afford games then so what

And i little FYI, most games are 40 and have been since the megadrive days, before that cost even more, so while the cost of everything in the known universe has risen gaming has stayed the same, yet it is to much
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:23
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What is this magical 'affordable' price then?

Because surely after a cooling off period of three months and like i said everyone who really it and can afford it, will already own it so sales with stagnate and the price would plummet, allowing people such as yourself to afford it more cheaply

Let's not forget while your on your not everyone can afford it high horse that gaming is a privilege not a right, if you can't afford games then so what

And i little FYI, most games are 40 and have been since the megadrive days, before that cost even more, so while the cost of everything in the known universe has risen gaming has stayed the same, yet it is to much
I don't pay more than 25. PC games used to be a lot cheaper than that in the eighties and nineties.
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:28
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I don't pay more than 25. PC games used to be a lot cheaper than that in the eighties and nineties.
So let's say after three months the price from 40, to around about 20 (which i'd guess it would), why can't people who can't afford new games just wait three months

Hell even with used games sales most games take a few months to hit 25 anyway
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:30
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So let's say after three months the price from 40, to around about 20 (which i'd guess it would), why can't people who can't afford new games just wait three months

Hell even with used games sales most games take a few months to hit 25 anyway
The games in my town don't go down in price and 2nd hand games are often dearer than sale price.
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:44
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You live in the only place in the country where Game do not follow their own centrally governed pricing system? How bizarre.

Unless you live in some bizarre other universe where independent retailers have outlived the local branches of Game, and therefore dictate pricing on their own terms. But I think that's unlikely.
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:45
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The games in my town don't go down in price and 2nd hand games are often dearer than sale price.
That bit is the same everywhere, and is exactly why I will never, ever buy pre-owned from Game/HMV etc.
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Old 24-03-2013, 11:46
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Very few games maintain their price over time. If you can't afford new and don't want them to remove used sales because of that, for the most part you could just wait for a period of time until they come down in price.

Pachter's idea of not selling used versions for 3 months after release would probably make used prices cheaper and you'd be less reluctant to trade in as you wouldn't get as much - which goes against what he was saying about used movies.

As he said - someone will trade a game in a week after release and you'd have the used game at 30 sitting next to the new game at 45 and it's just come out, so people plump for the used one.

But if you wait 3 months the new copy might be down to 30-35 and so consequently the used one might be 20-25, so you selling to the shop might only get 10-15.

But that's just selling to shops who abide to the publishers terms, you could still flog stuff on eBay.

I think online passes are the best solution as it should reduce the price of used games as people will know they have to shell out for the pass in addition and means the publishers/devs get some money on each people using their creation.

I thought it was quite interesting that 50% of sales in GameStop are used.
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:26
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Never paid more than 38 and that includes quite a few bought day of release.

I even too the day off for Uncharted 3 (I had some spare days)
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:29
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I think online passes are the best solution as it should reduce the price of used games as people will know they have to shell out for the pass in addition and means the publishers/devs get some money on each people using their creation.
What if as an alternative in the same way that some games come with disk benefits for the first owner and the PS3 can tell if they have been activated yet

or the way pre owned vita games block you from getting trophies until you delete all data from the game

the games console just outright didn't play the pre owned game for 90 days after release, might be a bit extreme but its a way to do it
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:33
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I like this idea, which is rare I usually disagree with the man, having a three month cap on games is a great idea and usually that would be enough to push most titles out of their fastest selling period point anyway.

Again, game prices have always been around that 40 mark for nearly 20 years now, hell, the later cartridge days were MORE expensive back then! Some N64 games going between 54.99 to 64.99!! And that was back in the late 90s!

It's just that these days, with so much choice, the Internet being freely open, etc, it's created this whiny entitled gamer complex who think everything should be catered to them and that it's wrong for publishers and developers to earn money on the games they make!
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Old 24-03-2013, 15:30
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Not everyone can afford to pay 50 for a game. I think it is disgusting that they charge such high prices.

2nd hand games are better and we should not be penalised.
There is one reason and one reason alone that games are so expensive: the second hand market.
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Old 24-03-2013, 15:32
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I think a code on a page in with the game will be what is standard for next gen it is already for online play in alot of games but to actually play the full game on your PS4/XBOX720 you will have to enter the code

Then when you buy a preowned copy you have a game but no code you'll have to buy the code from the website for 20pounds/euro not everyone is gonna wanna buy a code online or has credit card so therefor the preowned market will die out.

Angry parents will complain to newspapers they bought preowned game it does not work yada yada publishers will say game shops are the ones at fault. After a few weeks of outcry people will realize the good days of easy preowned games are over and gameshops will probley fade them out

Us gamers will be sad to miss out on some proper bargains in the preowned sections
but the developers will be celebrating with a bottle of champagne LOL


for rentals cant the company just remove the code from a game and make it so its like region free it will play on any console
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Old 24-03-2013, 15:35
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There is one reason and one reason alone that games are so expensive: the second hand market.
Not true, games have always been expensive. Street Fighter 2 for the megadrive was 50+ if I remember correctly. And that was just a regular version, no preorder tat or anything with it, and there was little or no second hand market back then.
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Old 24-03-2013, 17:58
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I would be happy if games couldn't be sold preowned for 3 months although I am not sure how they would police such a scheme unless shops just agreed to it. Just so long as used games remain.

I like selling games, I like buying they cheaper used, I like lending games out and borrowing them so I don't like these new systems which lock all that out. But I also feel the used market has got out of control and something does need to be done, hopefully publisher and retails can work together rather than against each other to come up with a solution because all that has happened this generation is the gamer has ended up suffering (Much like a lot of the DRM and anti piracy schemes have made proper PC gamers suffer).

Not true, games have always been expensive. Street Fighter 2 for the megadrive was 50+ if I remember correctly. And that was just a regular version, no preorder tat or anything with it, and there was little or no second hand market back then.
There was in my area, we had one shop, one market shop, a market stall and a car boot sale with 1-3 traders within local 30minute drive range from me.

Back then it was more a system of swaps, you paid 5 to swap for a game of equal value or a haggled a fee for a higher priced game and often it was free if the game you swapped was worth more than the one you wanted to get. The guy at the car boot sale told me how to convert my Megadrive to play Japanese cartridges without a converter.
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Old 24-03-2013, 18:25
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There is one reason and one reason alone that games are so expensive: the second hand market.
you really believe they will pass the savings on if they stop the second hand market ? just off the turnip truck
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Old 24-03-2013, 19:33
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If you can't afford to pay 50 for a game (who ever pays 50 for a game though?) then don't buy the game. Disgusting? Why is it disgusting? The production budgets of top-tier AAA games would make all but the biggest Hollywood movie producers weep, you actually get damn good value in terms of -per-minute with most single-player campaigns alone, and that's without the hours of multiplayer most people get from games these days..

Most new games retail at 40. Games retailers will generally sell pre-owned copies of new releases for 37-38. The saving is nominal, but how much of that money do Game/HMV take? All of it. Not a penny goes to the people that made the game.

Sorry, but this whiny self-entitled attitude to used games gets my goat.

I think a three-month window would be perfectly reasonable, and a good middle ground for gamers, retailers and developers.
It's not reasonable to hinder someone selling on their property in a perfectly legal manner. As to the bit in bold, the money went to them already, it has already been sold once. Why on earth should they get money from it being sold on again?

This shouldn't be an issue at all, there's no problem that needs a solution, the companies concerned about the second hand market just have to suck it up and live with it.
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