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Old 25-03-2013, 23:43
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Anyone else a fan of this? As a Batman film it falls short and is in no way faithful to the source material but I think it's a fantastic gothic fairytale. The plot is dark,and the christmas setting and Danny Elfman's score make it very atmospheric IMO.
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Old 26-03-2013, 00:18
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Batman and Batman Returns are both amazing films. I think a lot of people on here are massive fans judging by some comments on The Dark Knight threads.

Its just the two after these where things went pear shaped.
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Old 26-03-2013, 21:04
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My favourite Batman film! (Though I do like the Revamp trilogy too).

To me it captures the mystery of Batman
Th art direction is flawless, it has the best dialogue of any super hero film - its sparky and full of wit.
The villains upstage the Bat, but Keaton still plays it brilliantly.
The only niggle is the over complictaed plot, but I can forgive a film that tries too hard, as opposed to a film that doesn't try at all.

Always loved the ending, hinting that Cat woman was still alive, if only Burton had made the third....
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Old 26-03-2013, 21:20
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BiDUUygNXI

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Old 26-03-2013, 21:41
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my favourite batman film, quite pervy in a way.

there are loads of lovely little bits, my favourite being when michelle pfeiffer is killed then comes back to life, walks into her appt and smashes a couple of the letters on her neon HELLO THERE sign.

when you see her from afar, after she's become catwoman, the sign says HELL HERE

i love that.
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Old 26-03-2013, 21:57
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Batman Returns was brilliant! Michelle Pfeiffer was just mesmerizing as Catwomen and Danny DeVito was hilarious as The Penguin a win win all round for me!
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Old 26-03-2013, 22:08
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Better than any of the Nolans......and I do like them.
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Old 26-03-2013, 22:17
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The Nolans were way too cartoony. Both of the early Batman and Batman Returns had a few comical moments, but they were also quite dark and mysterious.
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Old 26-03-2013, 23:42
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One of my favourites and agree its a shame WB wouldn't let Burton do the 3rd.
One thing that does niggle me slightly everytime I watch it is the white eyes just before the cowl gets ripped off.
He's got black eyes in one scene when taking to Selina, camera turns away then when it goes back to Batman he's now got White Eyes.
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Old 26-03-2013, 23:47
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Michelle pfeiffer as catwoman, nothing better.
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Old 26-03-2013, 23:54
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Gorgeous to look at. Tim Burton has this ability to make his sets look like they should be in a snow globe or something. The opening scene with the Cobblepots in the snowy park with the pram comes to mind.
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Old 27-03-2013, 05:35
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Gorgeous to look at. Tim Burton has this ability to make his sets look like they should be in a snow globe or something. The opening scene with the Cobblepots in the snowy park with the pram comes to mind.
Yeah it's a visually stunning film.Like I said in my OP the christmas setting just gives the film a little something extra I think.And as much as I like Christian Bale,I still love Keaton's take on it.The troubled, recluse who's not comfortable in his own skin - he only lives to be Batman.His introduction where he's sat alone in his dark mansion speaks for itself.
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Old 27-03-2013, 08:19
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Yeah it's a visually stunning film.Like I said in my OP the christmas setting just gives the film a little something extra I think.And as much as I like Christian Bale,I still love Keaton's take on it.The troubled, recluse who's not comfortable in his own skin - he only lives to be Batman.His introduction where he's sat alone in his dark mansion speaks for itself.
I like the bit when Batman is out late at night quietly cruising the snowy streets of Gotham in the Batmobile (which is surely the best designed one ever) watching Penguin through the window.
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Old 27-03-2013, 10:48
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Anyone else a fan of this? As a Batman film it falls short and is in no way faithful to the source material but I think it's a fantastic gothic fairytale. The plot is dark,and the christmas setting and Danny Elfman's score make it very atmospheric IMO.
My favourite Batman film, well live action film. Everyone knows Mask Of The Phantasm is king.
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Old 27-03-2013, 11:04
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Best Batman film.

Michelle Pfeiffer is amazing in this as is Danny De Vito.
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Old 27-03-2013, 16:52
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Still the best Batman movie
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Old 27-03-2013, 17:47
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Really like it.

"I don't know about you Miss Kitty but I feel so much yummier!"
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Old 27-03-2013, 17:57
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It's my favourite Christmas film.
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Old 27-03-2013, 19:06
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Love it as well. Its like a dark Christmas fairy tale.
I saw it in the cinema as a child - and the bit where the penguins bring 'The Penguin' (Danny Devito's) body into the water had me balling my eyes out! Literally in bits at how they loved him and brought him into the pool. Then I realised NO-ONE in the cinema was crying.
What does that say about me??! Weird-child
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Old 27-03-2013, 19:09
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No one has ever played Catwoman as good as Michelle Pfieffer

Tim Burton also understood that Batman is best played by someone who hides his rock hard real persona beneath a nerdy oddball facade. Someone you wouldn't even suspect as being Batman. Rather than the "hunk" type actors that have played him since.

Michael Keaton never had to do a silly voice to play Batman. He simply stammered and stuttered as Bruce and got deadly serious as Batman.
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Old 27-03-2013, 21:10
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Apologies if there are no dissenters here, but BR ranks even more painful to watch than Batman & Robin, which falls into the 'so bad, it's good' category. Returns has no redeeming features.

Returns is just plain nasty, messy, dull, convoluted... Yuk. Hated it the first time I saw it and only occasionally watch it (if it's on the box), if I'm in a hating mood. This was not a proper Batman film, just Burton overdosing on his gothic style-excess and, his weirdness just overtook proceedings. Does Bruce just mope around in his manor, living solely for the bat-signal to shine? Selina fashioning her costume from her wardrobe was plain silly (as was the sight of her washing herself..). The Penguin was abominable to watch and though no prude, could see why his innuendos and actions riled parents and the younger crowd.

I for one was glad he was given the elbow by WB (whichever way you read it), for Schumacher to take the reins with the brilliant Batman Forever, my personal fave of the 90s movies.
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Old 27-03-2013, 21:50
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Does Bruce just mope around in his manor, living solely for the bat-signal to shine?
No, but it was late in the evening. It's understandable he was at home doing nothing much

Selina fashioning her costume from her wardrobe was plain silly.
I disagree. It's nice to see a comic book movie explaining practically where a character got their outfit from. Compare that to the Raimi Spiderman trilogy where Spiderman's advanced costume is never explained. He just pulled it from thin air.


The Penguin was abominable to watch and though no prude, could see why his innuendos and actions riled parents and the younger crowd.
Pandering too greatly to kids led to the mediocre BF and terrible BR. Given the choice, WB should have stuck with dark Batman, which they pretty much went back to anyway with the even more violent Nolan series.
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Old 28-03-2013, 08:40
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Apologies if there are no dissenters here, but BR ranks even more painful to watch than Batman & Robin, which falls into the 'so bad, it's good' category. Returns has no redeeming features.

Returns is just plain nasty, messy, dull, convoluted... Yuk. Hated it the first time I saw it and only occasionally watch it (if it's on the box), if I'm in a hating mood. This was not a proper Batman film, just Burton overdosing on his gothic style-excess and, his weirdness just overtook proceedings. Does Bruce just mope around in his manor, living solely for the bat-signal to shine? Selina fashioning her costume from her wardrobe was plain silly (as was the sight of her washing herself..). The Penguin was abominable to watch and though no prude, could see why his innuendos and actions riled parents and the younger crowd.

I for one was glad he was given the elbow by WB (whichever way you read it), for Schumacher to take the reins with the brilliant Batman Forever, my personal fave of the 90s movies.

Seriously! I've never read such crap.
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Old 28-03-2013, 09:27
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I for one was glad he was given the elbow by WB (whichever way you read it), for Schumacher to take the reins with the brilliant Batman Forever, my personal fave of the 90s movies.
At the time I loved Batman Forever, but as the years have gone by I just see what utter tripe it is.
You've got the massive continuity error with the casting for Harvey Dent/Two Face with Tommy Lee Jones. Pretty sure if Burton had been in charge then Billy Dee Williams would of reprised that role. Even if Billy would of been replaced anyway, then at least give the roll to someone of the same ethnic origin.
Commisioner Gordan was pretty much a no nonsense character in Batman & Batman Returns, but in Batman Forever we see the start of the comedy role they turned him into which was even worse in Batman & Robin.
As time has gone by the whole Edward Nigma/Riddler character just grates on me and to a certain extent so does Two Face with that Yin & Yang sh**e.
Didn't have that much of an issue with Kilmer as I thought he was quite a good Batman.
The less said about Robin the better I think .
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Old 28-03-2013, 09:36
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ASIFZED gave plenty of reasons why Batman Returns is so crap, funny that he didn't give the same number of reasons why Forever is "brilliant".
Apparently Returns has no redeeming features at all, Hmmmmm.

Please tell us what Forevers redeeming features are.

One can only presume that people who favoured Schumacher were very young when it came out - probably 5 or 6 years old maybe.
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