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Old 30-03-2013, 22:15
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Threat title self explanatory really. Does the programme lend itself to being a cult show with a few knowledgeable viewers and lots of insider knowledge, or does it work better appealing to the masses, with broader appeal and lighter stories with ability to dip in and out on a whim.

Without question, its future prospects as a BBC flagship programme is dependent on its broad appeal, but is the programme diluted too much as a consequence...
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Old 30-03-2013, 22:39
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I think accessibility is a key ingediant to it's success, but it hasnt lost the desire to string along the audience on an intellecutal escapade. It's managed to find an even balance
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Old 31-03-2013, 08:32
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I like the mass appeal, but only those who are part of the 'Doctor Who Cult' should be allowed an opinion on it, and when I say cult following I mean prior to 2005!!

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Old 31-03-2013, 08:45
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It needs the mass appeal to survive. barely qualify for opinion under Pull2Opens criteria as i was only 5 in 1989 when it was cancelled but as a child of a Doctor Who fan who has watched it since day 1 never missing an episode, i have seen Doctor Who all my life.
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Old 31-03-2013, 09:00
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I think part of what's made the return such a success is that it's straddled the line between "Cult" and "Mass" appeal brilliantly, those who want to enjoy a snappily paced family romp get exactly that, but for those who wish to delve deeper and REALLY watch there's no shortage there either.

But hasn't it always been so? Who of the 70s/80s wasn't exactly short on mass appeal.
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Old 31-03-2013, 09:01
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But hasn't it always been so? Who of the 70s/80s wasn't exactly short on mass appeal.
This is true and it has always saddened me that it was never really celebrated at that time, not as it is today! Even the 20th was only really noticed by the fans! IMO!
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Old 31-03-2013, 14:58
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But hasn't it always been so? Who of the 70s/80s wasn't exactly short on mass appeal.
The difference is the internet and the 'more visible' fan-base and easier way to comment, moan about and celebrate the show.

Tom Baker got between 8 to 10million viewers....with no 'time-shift watching' as of today.

Tennant/Smith are getting around about 8million viewers with time-shifting.

Hence, pretty much no difference in viewing figures...so Dr Who has the same mass appeal it always has done.

It was culty back then because people had to hunt out information on it...these days the BBC is throwing it in your face and it's more difficult to avoid spoilers etc if you don;t want things spoilt.
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Old 31-03-2013, 17:19
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It did become a cult in the eighties and look what happened, the more casual viewer went away, the audience more than halved and the show just became some cult that wasn't well made or that good near the end.
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Old 31-03-2013, 19:37
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It did become a cult in the eighties .
No, Micheal Grade screwed Dr Who and got it cancelled. Putting it up against Coronation Street etc during the week which is why viewers were lost.
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Old 31-03-2013, 20:50
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No, Micheal Grade screwed Dr Who and got it cancelled. Putting it up against Coronation Street etc during the week which is why viewers were lost.
No. The BBC put it out of our misery. For those of us who had grown up through the Troughton-Pertwee-Baker glory years, it had become painful to watch because JNT forgot how to entertain the general audience when he started pandering to the die hard fans. That is why viewers were lost .
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Old 31-03-2013, 20:54
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It lost it's way once Tom left, witnessed by a marked deterioration in writing, direction and production, as well as some truly dreadful casting of both companions and Doctors.
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Old 31-03-2013, 21:04
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No. The BBC put it out of our misery. For those of us who had grown up through the Troughton-Pertwee-Baker glory years, it had become painful to watch because JNT forgot how to entertain the general audience when he started pandering to the die hard fans. That is why viewers were lost .
Nope, check the ratings. Regardless of the quality of some stories, the ratings were still good until that first hiatus, in fact Colin Bakers first series had similar ratings to the early Troughton years. That 1985/86 hiatus is the point where a chunk of the audience was lost. Some argue it was the quality of the show, others argue the show was strangled by a lack of love and budget. Personally I believe the BBC killed the show by starvation.
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Old 31-03-2013, 22:11
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No. The BBC put it out of our misery. For those of us who had grown up through the Troughton-Pertwee-Baker glory years, it had become painful to watch because JNT forgot how to entertain the general audience when he started pandering to the die hard fans. That is why viewers were lost .
It lost it's way once Tom left, witnessed by a marked deterioration in writing, direction and production, as well as some truly dreadful casting of both companions and Doctors.
I always liked it.

Why do people think everyone else felt/feels the same as them?
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Old 31-03-2013, 22:16
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I always liked it.

Why do people think everyone else felt/feels the same as them?
I always liked it, too.
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Old 31-03-2013, 22:20
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I always liked it.

Why do people think everyone else felt/feels the same as them?
Sorry I wasn't saying that my view was the same for everyone, but I honestly believe that the quality of the programme went downhill which, amongst other things, lead to its ultimate demise IMO.
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Old 31-03-2013, 22:21
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Sorry I wasn't saying that my view was the same for everyone, but I honestly believe that the quality of the programme went downhill which, amongst other things, lead to its ultimate demise IMO.
It hasn't demised.
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Old 31-03-2013, 22:26
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It hasn't demised.
It suffered a slow and painful death from 1981-1989 IMO.

An unsuccessful attempt at resuccitation was made in 1996 before it made a miraculous recovery in 2005 and continues in very good health to this day.....
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Old 31-03-2013, 22:31
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It suffered a slow and painful death from 1981-1989 IMO.

An unsuccessful attempt at resuccitation was made in 1996 before it made a miraculous recovery in 2005 and continues in very good health to this day.....
I should have said that IMO and IMO Dr Who has always been around since I started watching it with great enjoyment and always will be around
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Old 31-03-2013, 22:43
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It suffered a slow and painful death from 1981-1989 IMO.

An unsuccessful attempt at resuccitation was made in 1996 before it made a miraculous recovery in 2005 and continues in very good health to this day.....
But did people really sit around from 1981-1989 watching DW while squirming with embarrasment at how bad it was, and hoping it would be cancelled because it was painful to watch?

I just watched it and sometimes I thought it was great and sometimes not good (like now, in fact), but overall enjoyed it and looked forward to the next episode.

I was gutted when it was cancelled, and never thought, well it's put it out of it's misery!
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Old 31-03-2013, 23:38
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It suffered a slow and painful death from 1981-1989 IMO.

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I actually enjoyed the Davison years a lot and most of the Colin Baker and Sylv McCoy. There were individual stories that I didn't like due to the writing but there are always ones you like or don't like. I wouldn't call it a slow painful death more lack of money and support

But did people really sit around from 1981-1989 watching DW while squirming with embarrasment at how bad it was, and hoping it would be cancelled because it was painful to watch?

I just watched it and sometimes I thought it was great and sometimes not good (like now, in fact), but overall enjoyed it and looked forward to the next episode.

I was gutted when it was cancelled, and never thought, well it's put it out of it's misery!
Like you Granny I liked some stories more than others.I was gutted too when it ended.
Are the new stories better than the classic series? Well I'm biased as I personally I liked the universe of the classic series with the the Timelords, the Master etc. That was why I got into the show. I prefer the cult classic status personally but I think we have accept that the show needs mass appeal to stay on the air. Sometimes when the script is a good one
we get both and I get excited then but its subjective of course.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:12
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Some die hard Doctor Who fans won't agree with me, but Doctor Who has always thrived on mass appeal. With less viewers watching in the 80's, it lost a hell of a lot in terms of respect, warmth and appreciation. I know that people who like me were watching it basically 'die' back then who still enjoyed some of the stories. The Greatest Show In The Galaxy is a story that could easily be made now. Coronation Street didn't help the situation with it's time placing, but that is too easy a target i think.

the 1996 revival with Paul McGann was hugely successful in the UK with almost 9 million viewers. Simply because it was (a) on a Bank Holiday and (b) there was no preconceptions from an audience who had probably never seen it but had heard about it.

2005 is crucially the most important revival that Doctor Who has ever had. And I wouldn't change that mass appeal for anything. I've got a feeling that if the show was only getting 1.6 million a show, some people on here or elsewhere would still be saying that Doctor Who doesn't need the viewers or that it was the best the show had ever been.

Simply put, the show cannot do without the casual viewer - they add to the audience figures. And they can very easily be dissuaded otherwise.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:25
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Why do people think everyone else felt/feels the same as them?
Good grief (IMO). Are you starting that tedious (IMO) thing of everyone having to put IMO after every opinion? Madness (IMO).

The Sun rotates around the earth. (untrue statement of fact)
The Sun is a terrible newspaper. (IMO)



I prefer the show when it has mass appeal, especially when it is tailored to my specfific whims and nostalgic memories of the seventies.
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