Digital Spy

Search Digital Spy
 

DS Forums

 
 

John Hurt as The FINAL Incarnation of the Doctor


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 31-03-2013, 13:25
LydiaRowling
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 273

JOHN HURT as THE FINAL INCARNATION of the Doctor

http://i45.tinypic.com/i77o1i.jpg

My idea would see 11 go against the very final version of himself.

A psychotic and evil man twisted by grief and heartbreak, whose loved and lost a million times.

He wants to have never come to be and so makes it his mission to find kill his younger self.

The doctors worst nightmares are yet to come.
LydiaRowling is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 31-03-2013, 13:31
wizzywick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 15,859
JOHN HURT as THE FINAL INCARNATION of the Doctor

http://i45.tinypic.com/i77o1i.jpg

My idea would see 11 go against the very final version of himself.

A psychotic and evil man twisted by grief and heartbreak, whose loved and lost a million times.

He wants to have never come to be and so makes it his mission to find kill his younger self.

The doctors worst nightmares are yet to come.
Please let me know what drugs you are taking? I need to know so I can phone NHS Direct about your condition.
wizzywick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 13:39
James Frederick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 23,731
So basically The Valeyard

I do wonder if we will get him as we are getting close to that incarnation
James Frederick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 13:41
Pull2Open
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: The Id
Posts: 8,852
So basically The Valeyard

I do wonder if we will get him as we are getting close to that incarnation
I doubt it! Hasn't that whole timeline been rewritten due to the Time War and the the destruction of the Time Lords! There appears, at this time, to be no short term limit to regenerations!
Pull2Open is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 13:51
ShootyDogThing
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,080
I actually quite like that idea... Although the problem is what happens when we eventually get to that regeneration, but I suppose that could be sorted in the episode, like he chooses an alternative path that doesn't lead him to become the evil Doctor.

And that concept poster looks actually rather good.
ShootyDogThing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 13:54
James Frederick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 23,731
I doubt it! Hasn't that whole timeline been rewritten due to the Time War and the the destruction of the Time Lords! There appears, at this time, to be no short term limit to regenerations!
I evil side of him could still happen though with everything he has been though he just has a brake down

Wasn't The Dream Lord in way a variation of The Valeyard it could still be he has that evil side in him just waiting.
James Frederick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 13:57
Pull2Open
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: The Id
Posts: 8,852
I evil side of him could still happen though with everything he has been though he just has a brake down

Wasn't The Dream Lord in way a variation of The Valeyard it could still be he has that evil side in him just waiting.
Its certainly not unreasonable!
Pull2Open is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 14:03
fallfallfall
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 221
what a load of bull he is the The Celestial Toymaker who has trapped 11 doctors
fallfallfall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 14:06
shortcrust
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 470
Zero chance of a return of the Valeyard in my opinion. See SM's comments on the return of the Rani. The Valeyard is no different. We might see a 'dark side of the doctor' character but it will be a new character. I personally hope that isn't where we're heading with John Hurt. The anniversary deserves something original.

The production team aren't bound by the past. The Valeyard and regeneration limits can simply be explained away in a couple of lines. Or just completely ignored!
shortcrust is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 14:13
Davetherave70
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 543
This sounds quite good.
Davetherave70 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 14:22
James Frederick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 23,731
Zero chance of a return of the Valeyard in my opinion. See SM's comments on the return of the Rani. The Valeyard is no different. We might see a 'dark side of the doctor' character but it will be a new character. I personally hope that isn't where we're heading with John Hurt. The anniversary deserves something original.

The production team aren't bound by the past. The Valeyard and regeneration limits can simply be explained away in a couple of lines. Or just completely ignored!
Well if they do go with a Evil Doctor they may not call the character The Valeyard but it will still be a variation of him just now Time has changed he has new plans.

As I said as The Dream Lord was also a variation of the Doctor's dark side that means whatever they will call him is still there somewhere waiting.

Now if they do ever use him or not is the question.

If they didn't do The Dream Lord it could have been Tennant when the other Doctor was created it was a physical representation of his dark side after all he has no problems with genocide.
James Frederick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 14:50
Sophie ~Oohie~
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 9,528
I quite like the idea of him being twisted and evil but can we not have the regeneration limit? No need to accuse the OP of being on drugs though Wizzywick, do you think I'm on drugs too?
Sophie ~Oohie~ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 15:11
tiggerpooh
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: 100 Acre Wood
Posts: 2,867
Please let me know what drugs you are taking? I need to know so I can phone NHS Direct about your condition.
NHS Direct? I thought the number for that went two years ago? I don't know what year you are you living in, as it centainly isn't 2013.

I cannot see John Hurt being the final incarnation of the Doctor. Plus, there is still one person to play the Doctor before the 13th comes along.

I'd like Michael Jayston from The Trial of a Timelord to play the 13th. The Valeyard is afterall, a dark version of the Doctor. I think it would be rather fitting.

http://www.diamondmanagement.co.uk/i...el_jayston.jpg
tiggerpooh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 15:30
Corabal
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,100
Oh it's LydiaRowling, who some people have pointed out to be a troll on this board. *leaves topic*
Corabal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 16:09
LydiaRowling
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 273
Oh it's LydiaRowling, who some people have pointed out to be a troll on this board. *leaves topic*
Constructive....uhm yer
LydiaRowling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 16:11
Sophie ~Oohie~
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 9,528
Constructive....uhm yer
I don't think suggesting a storyline is trolling, you're not pretending it's official or anything.
Sophie ~Oohie~ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 16:15
wizzywick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 15,859
NHS Direct? I thought the number for that went two years ago? I don't know what year you are you living in, as it centainly isn't 2013.

I cannot see John Hurt being the final incarnation of the Doctor. Plus, there is still one person to play the Doctor before the 13th comes along.

I'd like Michael Jayston from The Trial of a Timelord to play the 13th. The Valeyard is afterall, a dark version of the Doctor. I think it would be rather fitting.

http://www.diamondmanagement.co.uk/i...el_jayston.jpg
NHS Direct still exists. I live in the year 2013! The number is 111.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/
wizzywick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 16:51
Mulett
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Essex
Posts: 6,696
I have always thought The Valeyard was a great character, and the reveal that he was the dark aspects of the Doctor was one of the most chilling parts of Trial of a Timelord (Peri's 'death' stealing the show that year, obviously). Here is the exact script from his reveal:

The Master: They made a deal with The Valeyard, or as Iíve always known him The Doctor, to adjust the evidence in return for which he was promised the remainder of the Doctorís regenerations.

Doctor: Just a minute. Did you call him The Doctor?

The Master: There is some evil in all of us Doctor, even you. The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature. Somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation. And might I say you do not improve with age.


So, The Valeyard is not an incarnation of the Doctor, so to speak, but an aspect of him. I think Steven Moffat has already visited this with the Dream Master (or whatever he was called).

Valeyard wasn't his name, anyway, it was his position in court (apparently it means "learned court prosecutor" in the Gallifreyan court system).

John Hurt as The Valeyard? Bring, It. On.
Mulett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 16:54
Samster
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 373
Can't be the final incarnation, the BBC handily re-wrote the rules to make him "immortal" http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...al-reveals-bbc

The moment comes in the CBBC spin-off show, The Sarah Jane Adventures, which stars former companion Elisabeth Sladen as Sarah Jane Smith. Matt Smith, who plays the current Doctor Who, guest stars in a two-part episode called The Death of the Doctor, to be screened on October 25 and 26. While the Doctor and Clyde Langer, played by Daniel Anthony, are in the process of outwitting spooky vulture undertakers the Shansheeth, Clyde asks how many times he can regenerate. The Doctor indicates that there is no limit. The action continues.
Samster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 16:59
Residents Fan
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ireland
Posts: 5,082
I evil side of him could still happen though with everything he has been though he just has a brake down

Wasn't The Dream Lord in way a variation of The Valeyard it could still be he has that evil side in him just waiting.
My theory is the "dark Side" of the Doctor's mind can
take physical form on certain occasions- hence the
Valeyard, and the Dream Lord. Whether this guy is
another version remains to be seen...
Residents Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 17:28
Corwin
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,354
Can't be the final incarnation, the BBC handily re-wrote the rules to make him "immortal" http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...al-reveals-bbc

Clyde asks how many times he can regenerate. The Doctor indicates that there is no limit.
The Doctor actually gave a number in that scene so hardly indicating there was no limit. If he is to be believed there is indeed a Limit (just a lot larger than the previous limit of 12 Regenerations).
Corwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 18:09
Horny Nimon
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 278
The Doctor actually gave a number in that scene so hardly indicating there was no limit.
If he is to be believed there is indeed a Limit (just a lot larger than the previous limit of 12 Regenerations).
It has been brought up in previous posts about this regeneration thing in SJA, Russell T Davies allegedly just put the line in to annoy the fans, but it is generally felt that the Dr plucked an amount of regenerations out of the air to shut up Clyde who was asking him a load of questions while they were trying to escape.
Horny Nimon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 18:11
Corwin
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,354
but it is generally felt that the Dr plucked an amount of regenerations out of the air to shut up Clyde who was asking him a load of questions while they were trying to escape.

Even if that is the case it doesn't mean the Doctor is now immortal with no regeneration limit as the Poster I replied to stated.
Corwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 22:26
SpringheelJack
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sauf Lan'den
Posts: 1,240
Perhaps John Hurt is playing the Lord of Winter?

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/03/31/doct...-saint-john-b/
SpringheelJack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 22:54
matt05
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 12
John hurt would make a great version of the master
matt05 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:42.