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Old 01-04-2013, 19:01
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All those are luxuries. Hanging out with your mates is a luxury. The welfare state does not cover luxuries.
Nope it's called social interaction.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:02
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How did the job center view you not having a phone?
They did not believe I didn't have one, In end I gave them my Mum's. They seemed okay with that.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:02
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I could survive on 71, but not on 53.
to be fair, IDS should do it, on the benefits available to him, s0 would be doing in on 71 a week, and IMO should do it for 3 months. Its long enough for the day to day routine to have kicked in, and for something to have gone wrong.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:05
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Nope it's called social interaction.
That's why the incentives are all messed up now and you see people complaining when they have to cut back on certain luxuries they have been used to. And ultimately economics is all about incentives.

The welfare state does not cover hanging out with your mates at the pub or going out on dates. It provides you with a safety net to get you through the toughest of times. It is a means for your survival not your enjoyment. You cannot live on this perpetually.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:06
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The welfare state does not cover hanging out with your mates at the pub or going out on dates.
That's convenient... it doesn't.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:06
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They did not believe I didn't have one, In end I gave them my Mum's. They seemed okay with that.
They'd probably sanction you nowadays.

I think they're pretty insistent on one having a home/direct contact telephone nowadays I think it might even be part of the agreement or at least they'd make your life very awkward if you didn't have one.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:07
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They did not believe I didn't have one, In end I gave them my Mum's. They seemed okay with that.
So all Job application replies relied on your mum being in and passing messages to you in time? It doesn't sound very practical considering how few jobs their are at the moment........
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:11
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So all Job application replies relied on your mum being in and passing messages to you in time? It doesn't sound very practical considering how few jobs their are at the moment........
I went to my mum's every day to care for her, So I was there most of time, If I had a phone it would have actually been better off phoning my mum instead of my house phone if i'd had one.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:11
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No phone?
Council tax
No computer?
No social events at all, not even buying your mate a coffee?
No partner
No bedroom tax
Nothing to cover something like the washing machine breaking down
What if someone you care about is ill, not going to visit them?
No Christmas
No holiday obviously
No hobbies
Pray no one buys you a gift for fear of never being able to return the favour
Zero alcohol
Zero cigerettes
No hair cuts
No nephews
No razerblades.
No furniture
No AA or narchotics anonymous meetings
No charity donations
No leisure
No sport
No pet
No bed
No bed clothes
No light bulbs
No shampoo
No washing poweder
No toilet cleaner
No soap

etc etc

Your going to stink dude. phooo..
That's why the incentives are all messed up now and you see people complaining when they have to cut back on certain luxuries they have been used to. And ultimately economics is all about incentives.

The welfare state does not cover hanging out with your mates at the pub or going out on dates. It provides you with a safety net to get you through the toughest of times. It is a means for your survival not your enjoyment. You cannot live on this perpetually.
You should read the above Cloudy as I am not quite sure where you got your remark from. It is also a typically badly informed opinion. You really should find out your facts first.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:12
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to be fair, IDS should do it, on the benefits available to him, s0 would be doing in on 71 a week, and IMO should do it for 3 months. Its long enough for the day to day routine to have kicked in, and for something to have gone wrong.
Backtracking before the cuts bite.

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Old 01-04-2013, 19:12
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So all Job application replies relied on your mum being in and passing messages to you in time? It doesn't sound very practical considering how few jobs their are at the moment........
Indeed and miss one of those job calls, a failed relaid message and it's sanction time, no benefits at all.

What happened if an employer or the jobcentre phoned up, did him mum have to call around his house every time.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:13
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They'd probably sanction you nowadays.

I think they're pretty insistent on one having a home/direct contact telephone nowadays I think it might even be part of the agreement or at least they'd make your life very awkward if you didn't have one.
I don't think it has to be an home phone, But a mobile is probably a must if you don't have home.

Although my Girlfriend had to give them her mobile and My home phone number when she was on jobseekers about two years back.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:15
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Indeed and miss one of those job calls, a failed relaid message and it's sanction time, no benefits at all.

What happened if an employer or the jobcentre phoned up, did him mum have to call around his house every time.
As I have said I was at my Mum's nearly every day. If I'd had a home phone, I wouldn't have been there to actually answer it.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:16
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this guy is a legend, I totally agree with him
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:17
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They did not believe I didn't have one, In end I gave them my Mum's. They seemed okay with that.
You're lucky your mum was willing to run around your house as a messenger every time someone called, a lot of folks parents would tell them to do one and that's the ones who are still taking to them. Some parents would also be too ill to do that.

I think that says it all doesn't it: one can manage if they get their mum to run as a messenger and alike.

My bet is that your parents helped you out in several other ways too. There's nothing wrong with that, but remember that not everyone if fortunate enough to have that.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:17
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Not surprising.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:17
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the use of the term "journey" is enough to put me off voting for them.

to be honest, I cant see my voting Labour at the next election. (however I do live in a safe Tory seat, so my vote wont really matter)

Only thing I can say to Labour, is to come across as a group of people, not a group of MPs.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:19
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I don't think it has to be an home phone, But a mobile is probably a must if you don't have home.

Although my Girlfriend had to give them her mobile and My home phone number when she was on jobseekers about two years back.
So basically, you needed the help of mum. No doubt she helped you in plenty of other ways too.

That's fine, but a lot of people aren't lucky enough to have that kind of support.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:19
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In fairness there will not be anything left to cut by then. I see his point though but it is not comforting to you and I nonetheless. It would be nice if Labour went back to being a party of the people and not a second rate Tory party.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:20
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You're lucky your mum was willing to run around your house as a messenger every time someone called, a lot of folks parents would tell them to do and that's the ones who are still taking to them. Some parents would also be too ill to do that.

I think that says it all doesn't it: one can manage if they get them mum to run as a messenger and alike.

My bet is that your parents helped you out in several other ways too. There's nothing wrong with that, but remember that not everyone if fortunate enough to have that.
Are you not reading my other posts. I have said I used to be at my Mum's more than my flat, as I was looking after her. She did no running around for me.

And No my parents did not help me out with bills.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:21
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What has that got to do with IDS claiming he can live on 53 a week ?
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:22
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So basically, you needed the help of mum. No doubt she helped you in plenty of other ways too.

That's fine, but a lot of people aren't lucky enough to have that kind of support.
What bit are you not getting....I used to go up and look after my Mum every day, Therefore because I was there 98% of the time, I gave them my Mum's phone number. It was practical to do that.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:22
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In fairness there will not be anything left to cut by then. I see his point though but it is not comforting to you and I nonetheless. It would be nice if Labour went back to being a party of the people and not a second rate Tory party.
It certainly would .
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:22
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Are you not reading my other posts. I have said I used to be at my Mum's more than my flat, as I was looking after her. She did no running around for me.

And No my parents did not help me out with bills.
She helped you out by using the phone for a start and you've stated you were around her house constantly so there's a cut of electric and gas charges for a start. If you're around there near everyday I fail to believe that she never helped feed you at any time either.
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:23
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It certainly would .
The left is dead, long live the left!
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