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Old 08-04-2013, 12:50
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I think Olenna Tyrell might be my favourite character yet. I suspect watching her sass her way through King's Landing will be a delight.
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Old 08-04-2013, 14:11
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I expected Diana Rigg to be able to give the role--of which I instantly adored from the books--some justice but she appears to have exceeded even my lofty expectations.

Also, another fantastic episode, though that isn't a surprise.
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Old 08-04-2013, 15:59
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I think Olenna Tyrell might be my favourite character yet. I suspect watching her sass her way through King's Landing will be a delight.
She was excellent "Bring me my cheese!"

Her and Maergery stole the episode for me. What a fantastic season this is shaping up to be.
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Old 08-04-2013, 17:19
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I must say I think the lad playing Joffrey is doing a fantastic job, such perfect casting.
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Old 08-04-2013, 17:39
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I must say I think the lad playing Joffrey is doing a fantastic job, such perfect casting.
He is wonderful. Hard to make a character that detestable, but believable too. He shows some traces of vulnerability, especially in his scenes with Margaery.
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Old 08-04-2013, 17:44
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interesting observations, I'll have a go at adding my thoughts to them...

Tyrion seems to be Tywin's blind spot doesn't he! Whether this is because of his distaste for whores (or his disapproval of a high ranking member of the Lannister clan acting in this way); or the fact that he holds Tyrion responsible for the death of his wife; or maybe Tywin is just too arrogant to believe that he produced a 'twisted demon monkey' from his own loins (when he said "I can't prove you're not mine" does he really believe that? or is it just his refusal to accept he could father a dwarf?); or maybe a combination of these facts, we can't know.
Blind spots can sometimes be found by inconvenient arrows and I hope Tyrion remembers how accurate Bronn was with his bow at Blackwater. Tywin's moralising (if that's what it is) about whores seems just a bit too rich, given what he knows (?) his other children are doing with each other. Maybe Tywin's stated distaste has more to do with his general disapproval of his son's dissolute lifestyle and dilettante attitude to his precious Lannister legacy. Isn't that legacy Tywin's principal motivation? Tywin has also admonished Jaime for not being all he thinks he should be. You wonder if Tywin "refuses to accept he could father a dwarf"? I wonder if he regards himself guilty, that he did? His expression of anger being directed at the personification of his own failure to adorn the Lannister legacy, with a(nother) "normal" looking son.

As for the fact he was a kindly old man to Arya and a b*stard to to his own son, this happens in real life with some parents who only see the faults in their own kids, whilst being less prejudiced with other peoples.
OK, but the opposite is surely more common?

As for his change of heart from Season 1, when he acknowledged Tyrion as his son and sent him off to rule in his stead, there are 2 possibilities that I can think of: The first is that he meant what he said at the time, but was furious when he found out that Tyrion disobeyed him and took a "whore to court". The second is more calculating: He deliberately used Tyrion as a tool when it suited him, knowing he could discard him when he no longer needed him and then could safely pour out his bile onto Tyrion! If the second part is true, then it certainly puts an interesting slant on his character.
I see merit in both of your options. I think Tywin wanted Tyrion to serve him on his terms and was angry that his son served on his own terms instead. I think Tyrion's disobedience was the principle, the issue (taking his whore to King's Landing) was secondary. I agree Tywin used Tyrion, knowing he could easily remove him again, although the "pouring out of bile" remains illogical to me. After all, such behaviour would make it more difficult for Tywin to use Tyrion in the same way again and why make a potential enemy of him unnecessarily?


As for Bronn being knighted, I suspect that many people were honoured after Blackwater, and whilst joffrey would NEVER give Tyrion any credit, Bronn would have been known to have played a major part in its defence.
Bronn was known to be Tyrion's man though and honouring him would reflect credit on Tyrion.

the knighthood and any other sweetener may have also been an attempt by someone to prise him away from Tyrion (although that may be a guess too far since that doesn't seem to have worked!)
That's what I thought.

As for him being broke, maybe that's BECAUSE he spends all his time in high class whorehouses
LOL. But doesn't being broke make him more susceptible to other offers and the whore could have been provided by Littlefinger to facilitate such a deal? That knighthood makes little sense to me, unless Bronn is about to leave (if not betray) Tyrion.

Finally, I don't think they are burning captured prisoner's as such, more Stannis's people that are speaking out against Melisandre. I think this is Mel building up her power base by removing dissenters, and helping people convert to the red god. there is nothing like a lick of flame at someone's toes to help them sing R'hlors praises just that little bit more loudly and fervently
I think you're right.

Sorry I took so long to reply! On to episode 2.
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Old 08-04-2013, 19:10
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Great episode!

Thoros looks like he'll be a great character.
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Old 08-04-2013, 19:23
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Loved watching Brienne utterly own Jaime in their sword fight. He was so confident he was the better of them, it was fun to watch her wipe the smile off his face. It was great how he thought there were only two outcomes - either he kills Brienne or she kills him. He hadn't counted on the notion of her just beating him mercilessly until he couldn't hold a sword any longer!

And his idiocy may have just delivered him back into the hands of the Starks, whereas Brienne would ultimately have delivered him to freedom.
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Old 08-04-2013, 19:31
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Jaime, much as I love him, is an impulsive dipstick most of the time, never seems to think anything through.

And even though he was fighting with his wrists bound I think she had the beating of him, especially since he has been mouldering in a cell for god knows how long, she was totally just playing with him at the end there.

Diana Rigg was, as expected, very good as the Queen of Thornes, the part might have been written for her, nobody, except maybe Maggie Smith, does the arch old lady better.

She might have been slightly outshone by Natalie Dormer though, she is an absolute marvel as Margaery, I even felt a little bit sorry for Joffrey in their big scene, he doesn't stand a chance.
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Old 08-04-2013, 19:46
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Tywin's moralising (if that's what it is) about whores seems just a bit too rich, given what he knows (?) his other children are doing with each other.
I believed the idea is that he doesn't know what Jaime and Cersei have been up to and believes it's just enemy rumours.

It is stated in the 2nd book why he hates whores but I don't recall that ever being mentioned in the show.
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Old 08-04-2013, 20:14
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I must say I think the lad playing Joffrey is doing a fantastic job, such perfect casting.
And Margaery is playing him expertly like a violin.

Loved her calm 'whatever' reaction when Sansa told her that Joffrey was a monster:

Margaery:

Loved that swordfight at the end. I truly feared for Brienne against the Kingslayer but she more then held her own didn't she?
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Old 08-04-2013, 20:40
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Very good episode, better than Ep1 (which was still good).

Good to see so much Direwolf action, probably more in this episode than has been in the previous seasons combined


Loved Bran hearing his Father once again.
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Old 08-04-2013, 22:24
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Ok, I'm watching this interview with Bran and he has the voice of a 50-year-old female chain smoker.
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Old 09-04-2013, 01:57
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As for his change of heart from Season 1, when he acknowledged Tyrion as his son and sent him off to rule in his stead, there are 2 possibilities that I can think of: The first is that he meant what he said at the time, but was furious when he found out that Tyrion disobeyed him and took a "whore to court". The second is more calculating: He deliberately used Tyrion as a tool when it suited him, knowing he could discard him when he no longer needed him and then could safely pour out his bile onto Tyrion! If the second part is true, then it certainly puts an interesting slant on his character.
just dropping by real quick to point out that the 2nd one is closer to the truth. during that chapter in the books, tyrion realises what's really going on after tywin's cold anger with "they have my SON!", and then followed by suddenly giving tyrion that responsability and honour, simply because "you are my son."
tywin had given up on jaime. he was first off enraged and embarrased that jaime had fallen into their trap and allowed himself to be captured...but more than that, he didn't believe that they'd get jaime back/he would live. so he turned to the only other 'spawn' of his, if you will, that he had left available to him. tyrion. desperate times, desperate measures....and tywin was covering his ass.



excellent second episode. olenna's such an incredible character in the books, and dianna is definitely doing her justice! this BAMF is only going to get better!
natalie dormer as margery has certainly improved a lot since last season. i think because it's more clear now the difference in the show character vs book character. the show is making it really obvious to the viewer that there's more to this girl than meets the eye, and that she's a cool customer who knows how to play this game. i particulary love the dynamic that's there with cersei already, and that cersei sees through it completely. the speech about margery having "reasons" was great - particularly the part about her "dressing like a harlot". i loved that open recognition as being a deviation from the books where she's this sweet little 16 year old, the absolute picture of innocence, because that was the thing that had jarred me about natalie in the role the most. (and cersei has such wonderfully catty lines btw...the one about the sample size of the rose being all the fabric margery would need was brilliant!!)

LOVED the introduction of the reeds!!! jojen's great, and has a wonderful air of magical mystery about him that i think viewers are bound to find intriguing. great scenes with summer, meera's arrival getting the better of osha, and that lovely bit of nostalgia of bran's dream...just like the first episode when they were all together back at winterfell (i like to think that isiac, kit and richard actually filmed the exact scene again in the woods, rather than camera magic slotting them in....that's what i'm going with dammit!!)
i'm also really excited for the possibility of more info being given about the rebellion via jojen. he's already said that he asked his father about it, but he refused to tell him, but that jojen's seen it anyway. this boy's bound to have info to share!!!

sticking with the magic for a sec - enjoying north of the wall a whole lot more already this season. you can really tell now, that's where the shit's going down. loved the warging. if i'm not mistaken, that was one of my favourite actors, mackenzie crook!! pleasent surprise.

surprised by how much i loved the scene from cat. at first, when she started saying how it was jon that she had stayed up all night with praying for i got really angry, because that was NOT their relationship in any sense. cateyln hated jon, and even told him that she wised he had died. the show already majorly toned down the scene where jon said goodbye to a comatose bran....for a moment i thought it was going to take that even farther. THANK GOD it didn't! by the time that scene had finished i thought it was an excellently done and highly potent scene that captured the real essence of the relationship there. all props to michelle fairley. lovely actress, and she somehow managed to take a character that i absolutely hated in the books and make her somewhat sympathetic.

finally.....FOUR FOR YOU BRIENNE, YOU GO BRIENNE!!! that last scene on the bridge...loved it she smacked him down! toyed with him at first, let him think he could all cocky...by the end it was just like a cat messing with half dead mouse it had just caught. (btw, i adore how cocky jaime is. it's hilarious! nikolai's wonderful in the role. this show has pretty much no bad actors. except perhaps the real-life porn stars...)

that was a lot longer than i had planned on it being
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:24
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Wow .. Diana Rigg,MacKenzie Crook and Paul Kaye have arrived
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:34
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Who are the real life porn stars?

I know the woman who plays Shae did porn but I don't think she is bad, I really quite like her and considering I detested the character in the books that surprised me.

I'm guessing at the woman who plays Ros because she doesn't seem to mind getting her kit off, but then again neither do Margaery and Danaerys and I don't think they have been porn stars in the past.
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Old 09-04-2013, 09:48
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Who are the real life porn stars?

I know the woman who plays Shae did porn but I don't think she is bad, I really quite like her and considering I detested the character in the books that surprised me.

I'm guessing at the woman who plays Ros because she doesn't seem to mind getting her kit off, but then again neither do Margaery and Danaerys and I don't think they have been porn stars in the past.
They play Prostitutes at Littlefingers Brothel. Sahara Knite is one (she's the one who sits on Bronns lap in the Blackwater episode amongst other scenes). The Whore who Joff has Ros beat with the sceptre also works in the Porn industry but I can't think of her name off hand.


Esme Bianco (Ros) works as a Burlesque performer but has never done Porn AFAIK.


There's a Contortionist called Pixie Le Knot appearing later in the season.
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:20
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Ah interesting, well I suppose it makes a lot of sense to cast people who are very comfortable with nudity as prostitutes.

I wasn't mad keen on Ros in the first series, I couldn't quite understand why they had made up a whole new character who didn't seem to add much in the way of anything but tits and arse but to be honest Esme has won me over.

She never seems to have much to do but I sense a big part to play somewhere down the line.

The fact that both Littlefinger and Varys seem to be playing her means that she is more important than we have been led to believe.
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Old 09-04-2013, 17:12
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They play Prostitutes at Littlefingers Brothel. Sahara Knite is one (she's the one who sits on Bronns lap in the Blackwater episode amongst other scenes). The Whore who Joff has Ros beat with the sceptre also works in the Porn industry but I can't think of her name off hand.


Esme Bianco (Ros) works as a Burlesque performer but has never done Porn AFAIK.


There's a Contortionist called Pixie Le Knot appearing later in the season.
sibel and sahara grate me the most. sibel seems to have improved on last season, but she still bugs me. she doesn't seem natural.
sahara is just plain aweful and easily the worst of anyone to appear on the show.
i always thought esme was alright actually....she holds her own. especially against some very strong actors she shares her scenes with. (another point against sibel/shae - they're tyrion's worst scenes and drag him down, because none of it seems natural at all to me. i just can't believe in it. there's no chemistry there.)
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Old 10-04-2013, 13:23
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I believed the idea is that he doesn't know what Jaime and Cersei have been up to and believes it's just enemy rumours.
Yes and his grandson is king, glorifying his House, so inconvenient questions are better left unasked. But for a man focussed on his family's greatness, I would've thought he'd make it his business to know every last detail of his children's lives, even if he chooses not to admit to such knowledge. Cersei claims to have "hundreds of spies" working for her, Tywin would surely be negligent not to have more?

It is stated in the 2nd book why he hates whores but I don't recall that ever being mentioned in the show.
How disappointing. I had two options for the reason Tywin ordered Tyrion not to take Shae to KL. Either he hates whores in general (it didn't sound like it was this whore in particular), or he wanted to discipline Tyrion. I was hoping for the latter, because it would have represented legitimate paternal interest. This notion was obviously crushed by Tywin at his latest meeting with Tyrion.
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Old 10-04-2013, 13:33
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So after training herself to praise Joffrey and damn her traitor family, Sansa finally blurts out her real thoughts, for the lure of a lemon cake. OK then....

Having been informed that she's engaged to a "monster", the undaunted Margaery simply raises an eyebrow and sets out to contend with Joffrey on his terms; "Could you kill something?"says he, "Would you like to watch me?" She's wonderfully irresistible.

The Hound must have been seriously annoyed that Sansa refused his offer of rescue, to be calling her sister "that Stark bitch". That leads me to think his offer to Sansa may not have been entirely honourable.

Do brother and sister Reed exemplify again that in this series, the female is deadlier than the male?
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Old 10-04-2013, 14:41
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How disappointing. I had two options for the reason Tywin ordered Tyrion not to take Shae to KL. Either he hates whores in general (it didn't sound like it was this whore in particular), or he wanted to discipline Tyrion. I was hoping for the latter, because it would have represented legitimate paternal interest. This notion was obviously crushed by Tywin at his latest meeting with Tyrion.
i think tywin and whores are a very complex relationship.....
i'm struggling to remember the source exactly of tywins...ill feeling...towards them in general, but i think it had something to do with his step mother?
this is more background history than spoilers, but i can't remember if this has been touched on in the show. tywin never respected his father at all, and after his mother died, his mather remarried to a very lowborn woman. (i can't remember exactly if she herself was a whore or just a commoner, but i think she may have been a whore). anyway, this lowborn wife got spoiled by tytos and became more and more upjumped - strutting around the place, barking orders, mistreating servants etc. she even reached the point where she took possession of all of tywin's mother's clothes and jewells. tywin hated her and the "shame" she brought on casterly rock, so as soon as his father died and he became lord, he stripped her of all she had (small-clothes and all) and banished her from casterly rock to walk back through the village butt naked.
i've always traced his extreme dislike of whores back to her.
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Old 10-04-2013, 16:40
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^^ This and Tyrion married a whore (Tysha whom he didn't know was a whore paid for by Jaime) when he was young (he tells the story to Shae and Bronn in season one).
Which Tywin felt brought shame on the family. On top of the shame Tyrion already brings for being "The Imp", hardly a term of endearment.
So I guess that Tywin fears that Tyrion would marry Shae and if Tyrion were to be heir to Casterly Rock then another whore / commoner would be the Lady of Casterly Rock and have possession of those jewels.
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Old 10-04-2013, 23:10
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Superb second episode, too many brilliant stand out moments to name but at the top I'd put Diana Rigg's reveal as Olenna Redwyne and all the scenes with her, Margaery's utter playing of Joffrey, JoJen and Meera's introduction and Brienne and Jaime's sword fight.

There were some more brilliant one liners as well, Paul Kaye's Thoros of Myr was excellently played and I like how they've contracted loads of the various storylines to run them faster for the TV screen. Although, having said that, it's a shame there won't be any scenes between Cat and Hoster Tully as they were among my favourite bits in the book as you get to learn a bit more family background.

Also thought Cat's story to Talisa about Jon's childhood illness was superbly done, gave a bit more depth to her "hatred" for him and gave Talisa a bit more involvement in understanding Robb's childhood and continuing story than otherwise would have happened with Jayne Westerling.

The stuff beyond the Wall was interesting too for the different dynamics between how the Wildlings are reacting to the threat of The Others and the White Walkers and how Mormont is treating the Night's Watch. Jon Snow still bores the pants off me though and it was interesting to hear Cat refer to his "brown eyes" when in the book he has the Stark grey ones
Loved Mackenzie Crook's introduction as Orell and the warging scenes and it was great to see a bit more of the direwolves.
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Old 11-04-2013, 00:02
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So after training herself to praise Joffrey and damn her traitor family, Sansa finally blurts out her real thoughts, for the lure of a lemon cake. OK then.
Yes I'm sure that was her motivation. Cake.
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