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Old 03-04-2013, 17:24
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HBO exists as a broadcaster dedicated to showing 'adult' programming which aims to reflect some of the darker elements of life - whether through comedy or drama. It has a large subscription base that want to watch programmes on this basis (ie, with the sex, violence and bad language left in).
I think the only reason they do it is because it's cheap to film.

Game of thrones was bought and produced by HBO specifically so that the final version could accurately reflect the books.
The TV show doesn't reflect the books, they miss out too much of the story and replace it with pointless sexy time.
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Old 03-04-2013, 17:36
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I think the only reason they do it is because it's cheap to film.

The TV show doesn't reflect the books, they miss out too much of the story and replace it with pointless sexy time.
Scripted stuff is apparently quite expensive. And HBO has got money. Apparently they spent $10m on the pilot episode of Game of Thrones alone... (The average price of a network show is $1m per episode)

I've just started reading the first book, I thought the TV show was fairly close to the books...
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Old 03-04-2013, 17:44
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The amount of sex is ruining the show. You can't even watch it with your family.
You aren't supposed to watch it with your family (unless they are adults) it is an adult oriented drama.

Would you watch A Nightmare on Elm Street with children?

That is why they put it on late in the evening, for grown up's after the kids have gone to bed. No one is forcing you to watch it, and the producers are trying to stay close to the spirit of the books.
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Old 03-04-2013, 17:46
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What's wrong with sex? I like sex.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:19
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Oh dear, my opinion didn't go down well lol yeah fair enough perhaps it was a generalisation, but that demographic was certainly one I'd stand by as imagining lapping up the kind of stuff I saw in the first episode. By OH's accounts (who, thank you very much 'MoreTears', you can add on 30+ years to the age of... obviously he had no idea either beforehand what the adaptation would be like!) things calmed down afterwards, but that was just wayyy too much puerility for the sake of it for me in one go. Was a time I loved as much gratuitous violence, sex and nudity as the screen could throw at me in one go, but folks' taste change I guess. Over-use of coarse language though I've never been a fan of.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:24
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I actually thought that was a good scene. We learned a lot about Baelish's character n that scene. Not only the story he told, but his instructions to the whores showed how he understood the human psyche and how to manipulate people, plus his personal indifference to the scene going o before him showed us how he viewed the whole sordid affair.

He's a master manipulator and sex is a tool for him, rather than a vice. The story he tells at the same time explains the back story as to why he is like this,

This is why I don't have an issue with the sex in GoT. It is a device of the story. Even with things like Theon's random shagging of every woman he meets tells us all we need to know about his character. Though watching him finger his own sister was a bit creepy (but again, fitted his character that his mind went there first, before considering who she might be)
Exactly and very well said. There's very little "gratuitous" sex or nudity in Game of Thrones. What's in the show has, mostly, been in the book and it's there to serve a purpose, whether it's Dany's gradual changing of Khal Drogo so he faces her during sex, to Littlefinger's disregard for his two whores pleasuring themselves, it drives a story narrative or gives the audience an idea about the characters involved.

The TV show doesn't reflect the books, they miss out too much of the story and replace it with pointless sexy time.
I'd disagree actually, most of the time the changes made from book to screen still reflect accurately what's gone on with a particular character or story narrative or are used to give a visual clue to the audience of something which is expressly written in the novel and which wouldn't translate to screen - like Littlefinger's whores scene.

obviously he had no idea either beforehand what the adaptation would be like!)
I assume he'd never read the books then. You should both probably give them a try, you'd find they're most definitely not written with the 14-year-old male online gamer in mind.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:39
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The over abundance of peroxide is really the only thing that's ever irritated me about the show.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:45
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I've just started reading the first book, I thought the TV show was fairly close to the books...
The first series is very true to the book. The second series is a travesty.

Stick with the books, they're way better.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:49
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I assume he'd never read the books then. You should both probably give them a try, you'd find they're most definitely not written with the 14-year-old male online gamer in mind.
He had read the books... I guess what may be factored into it is the difference between the two mediums also - ie the reading of the material is of course fundamentally different to watching the unanticipated filming style of it - which was very much in the modern 'in your face' style as it were - and that probably ramps up the impact of such content, also.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:54
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Stick with the books, they're way better.
Or do both, and have the best of both worlds.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:56
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I'd disagree actually, most of the time the changes made from book to screen still reflect accurately what's gone on with a particular character.....
Excepting of course, the huge number of characters that are not in it.

I understand they can't do everything, I understand the TV show can't be on anything like the scale that the books are, but do we really need half an hour of Robb and the woman I assume is supposed to be Jeyne Westerling making doe eyes at each other in favour of what was supposed to happen at Harrenhal and Winterfell?
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:13
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The first series is very true to the book. The second series is a travesty.

Stick with the books, they're way better.
I disagree, yes there were changes from book to screen but pretty much all the characters ended up in exactly the same place with the same outcomes - ie Robb might not be married to Jayne Westerling but he's still offended Walder Frey and has to deal with the consequences of that, Dany still had her visions in Qarth and destroyed the warlocks tower, Ary escaped from Harrenhal with Jaqen H'ghar's help.

Excepting of course, the huge number of characters that are not in it.

I understand they can't do everything, I understand the TV show can't be on anything like the scale that the books are, but do we really need half an hour of Robb and the woman I assume is supposed to be Jeyne Westerling making doe eyes at each other in favour of what was supposed to happen at Harrenhal and Winterfell?
The vast majority of characters who haven't appeared in the TV show don't need to be in it yet. While the Robb and Talisa sections went on a bit, they were still essential to the story narrative of Robb ending up making an enemy of Walder Frey by not marrying his daughter.

And I'd disagree that they didn't show what happened at Harrenhal and Winterfell. The basic outcome was exactly the same in both places as it is in the novels, just the way they carried it out on screen made it much simpler and cut out loads of the extraneous exposition there is in the books.
Plus we have no idea whether they've finished with Winterfell yet as they're not sticking totally to Book to Series format, they've already placed things from Book Three in Series Two and said they'll do the same with Series Three including things which don't occur until later in the novels.
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:57
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The over abundance of peroxide is really the only thing that's ever irritated me about the show.
I think they all use wigs.
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Old 03-04-2013, 21:06
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Oh dear, my opinion didn't go down well lol yeah fair enough perhaps it was a generalisation, but that demographic was certainly one I'd stand by as imagining lapping up the kind of stuff I saw in the first episode. By OH's accounts (who, thank you very much 'MoreTears', you can add on 30+ years to the age of... obviously he had no idea either beforehand what the adaptation would be like!) things calmed down afterwards, but that was just wayyy too much puerility for the sake of it for me in one go. Was a time I loved as much gratuitous violence, sex and nudity as the screen could throw at me in one go, but folks' taste change I guess. Over-use of coarse language though I've never been a fan of.
Just two points.

1) The first season is very faithful to the books though- sex scenes and all.It's almost a perfect adaptation, so when you say your OH had no idea what the adaptation would be like, that's not a valid reason. You seem to suggest the adaptation has sexed up the books but the sex scenes are a hugely important part of the books.

2) There wasn't even that much sex in the first episode except the Tyrion scene, Daenerys scenes (in the book and important for characterization) and Jamie/Cersei at the end (no nudity in that scene I should mention, and also hugely important to the narrative. Also in the book)- so it's not like you were bombarded with pointless sex scenes every 5 minutes or so as you seem to suggest.
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Old 03-04-2013, 21:42
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64 posts in and people haven't yet twigged that the thread starter seems to be having a bit of a jape at people's expense... Sheesh...

If people DO feel this strongly about it, then there's going to be hell to pay when they broadcast the
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scene from A Dance With Dragons...
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Old 03-04-2013, 22:06
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The over abundance of peroxide is really the only thing that's ever irritated me about the show.
Peroxide? I can only assume you are referring to Viserys and Daenerys Targaryen, as they're the only characters in the show who had silver-blonde hair.

That's only two characters - hardly an over-abundance. Add to that, they are brother and sister and the hair colour is supposed to be a trait of their family line (along with the fact that the family inter-bred to keep the bloodline clean, so strong genetic traits are expected).

Seems an odd thing to get irritated over.
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Old 03-04-2013, 22:16
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Just two points.

1) The first season is very faithful to the books though- sex scenes and all.It's almost a perfect adaptation, so when you say your OH had no idea what the adaptation would be like, that's not a valid reason. You seem to suggest the adaptation has sexed up the books but the sex scenes are a hugely important part of the books.

2) There wasn't even that much sex in the first episode except the Tyrion scene, Daenerys scenes (in the book and important for characterization) and Jamie/Cersei at the end (no nudity in that scene I should mention, and also hugely important to the narrative. Also in the book)- so it's not like you were bombarded with pointless sex scenes every 5 minutes or so as you seem to suggest.
For sure, 'right to reply' and all that...

1) On reflection, you know I shouldn't discount the possibility that OH might ever have tactically downplayed what I could expect...

2) Plentiful nudity seems to have been a recurring theme throughout in the series - yes, albeit not necessarily in the form of actual sex. In introductory terms though, come on that 'girl getting into the bath scene' in episode one existed for the sake of going 'look audience - young nubile boobs and bum' as much as any faithfulness it might claim with regards to characterisation etc in its literary counterpart HBO did it frequently enough with Rome and the spirit was kept alive and well through into GOT.

Like I admit I was once myself (still am, from time to time ) up for gratuitous blood and disrobings in the visual arts - but the time has passed for me where I'm most comfortable with that in a 'dramatic' serial that wants me to take it seriously, as the 'context' for it seems so much more entertainingly served by retro servings of 70s/exploitation etc nostalgia (and yes, Russ Meyer being a particular favourite ). You could call it jaded appetites, or just plain curmudgeonry on my part, I guess...
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Old 03-04-2013, 22:17
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Game of thrones is excellent but is the amount of porn in it really nessecery?

I asked friends in work the day if they watch it and they basically made me feel like a pervert.
If the show was made PG everyone could watch it without feeling ashamed.
I'm maybe a bit slow but if your friends made you feel like a pervert, why?

If they know all about GOT (well enough to say things which seem to make you feel like a pervert ) Does'nt that suggest they must be well aquainted with the series?

If not why do you feel like pervert? If they are basing it on the trailers you could alway tell them...

YER KNOW NOTHING YA PRATS or something equally polite!
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Old 03-04-2013, 22:45
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For sure, 'right to reply' and all that...

1) On reflection, you know I shouldn't discount the possibility that OH might ever have tactically downplayed what I could expect...
Ahaha, fair enough.

2) There was plenty enough nudity - as seems to have continued throughout in the series albeit if not in the form of actual sex - and as regards episode one, come on that 'girl getting into the bath scene' existed for the sake of going 'look audience - young nubile boobs and bum' as much as any faithfulness it might claim with regards to characterisation etc in the book They did it frequently enough with Rome and the spirit was kept alive and well through into GOT.
I understand where you're coming from but I can't agree I'm afraid. I still think the nudity in GOT is important (usually) but on reflection, I can see why you found it a bit unnecessary in the first episode.

You could call it jaded appetites, or just plain curmudgeonry on my part, I guess...
Definitely going to try and use that word more often now.
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Old 03-04-2013, 22:55
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Ahaha, fair enough.

I understand where you're coming from but I can't agree I'm afraid. I still think the nudity in GOT is important (usually) but on reflection, I can see why you found it a bit unnecessary in the first episode.

Definitely going to try and use that word more often now.


Now, I hope, I can feel to have salvaged some common-ground from my with hindsight churlish opening gambit of yesterday
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Old 03-04-2013, 23:38
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Now, I hope, I can feel to have salvaged some common-ground from my with hindsight churlish opening gambit of yesterday
It is so cool when someone re-evaluates their position on a thread in DS

Will you now be joining us more mature ladies in watching GoT - 'porn' and all
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:10
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Now, I hope, I can feel to have salvaged some common-ground from my with hindsight churlish opening gambit of yesterday
It is so cool when someone re-evaluates their position on a thread in DS

Will you now be joining us more mature ladies in watching GoT - 'porn' and all
Totally agree with StressMonkey, GoT is one of the finest shows on TV at the moment and the book series is also one of the best fantasy series' out there. I think you might be surprised if you gave it a second chance, the nudity is usually there to advance a plot or story narrative and not "just because".
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:54
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Ah, now I understand why it's so popular.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:56
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There is no porn on Game Of Thrones just nudity and some simulated sex,

There is also a very funny dwarf.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:58
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Furthermore I believe there is not enough nudity in Game of Thrones...

....but maybe that says more about me.
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